The only reason the US went this route of indicting the sites is that they would not leave the US market voluntarily.
Now that they are gone and players are getting their money back, legislation is going to be passed allowing US players to play on "approved" sites.
10-1 says that the casinos are paying the politicians with campaign contributions to get eleceted in 2012 and pass the legislation. Oh, and we eliminated your competition in the process.
Personally I think the writing was on the wall for the big 3. Technically they have been skirting the law for the last 5 yrs.
I can go back to January when I first saw something about the UEIGA .
If they were smart they would have cleared out when Party and who ever else left the US Market 5 yrs ago.
Maybe the Govt knew that they were going to keep on keeping on and let them taking their sweet time to build a case against them.
They Made a lot of money but why shoot yourself in the head and continue to run in the biggest market. Now you are going to be out of the biggest market in the world forever. NO WAY are any of these three going to get a license to operate legally in the US when it finally becomes truely legal.
The same thing could happen here.
I can tip my hat to the DOJ for making a deal to give Stars and tilt their domains back to arrange for processors so the US players can get their money back.
Ub/AP? Not a peep and US players are still logging on to play.
I gotta hand it to the Douche Bags . Big hairy balls to continue after everything that Happened last Friday.
DoJ has offered the same deal to them. Let's see if they take it or fold and walk away. They know they are pretty much screwed now.
I would expect very soon that Bodog and whoever else is servicing the US will be going through the same thing.
In a few of your posts you've emphasized how Stars/Tilt are phuked. I'm not going to comment so much on Tilt because they are a lot smaller than stars and they just lost a larger player portion of their player pool. Stars was smarter about this by marketing more aggressively in Europe.
You commented on them not being smart by staying in the US market since the UIGEA. I don't think it is all that simple. I'm sure Stars and Tilt had competent legal advisors telling them that they were not breaking any US laws by offering online poker to their US customers based on their interpretations of the law. And those laws are still open for interpretation. The UIGEA is very vague and does not specifically state that online poker is illegal. It does however contain a passage that excludes games of skill from unlawful gambling. This exclusion is to allow people to continue to participate in golf, tennis, darts, chess, billiards or other skill game tournaments for cash prizes.
Poker is such a game. In order for the courts to find the defendants guilty of operating an illegal gambling business they must first prove that poker is not a game of skill.
And that just isn't going to happen. Any debate with an expert on the matter will crush the DOJ's position that it is not a game of skill. From there, I suspect many other aspects of the DOJ's case will fall apart. If the sites were not doing anything unlawful in the first place then it'll be much harder for the other charges to stick. It will become clear that it is the ambiguity of the relevant US laws that are to blame here, and the answer will of course be legislation which either clearly bans, or regulates onlline poker, the latter of course being much more likely.
Stars isn't going anywhere. The games are better than they have been in a couple of years and I just got $200 free today If I had to guess I'd say FTP will bounce back and continue to operate outside the US. I think/hope AP/UB is done - good riddance - since they have been offering Black Jack on their site for years now which is an entirely different beast.
It would seem to me that Stars/Tilt will have to break the same laws they are accused of to pay back the USA players. I can't imagine banks wanting to be involved in these transactions given the nature of the charges.
Can we say NO WIN rather than WIN........ The DoJ is just really really stupid.
Brilliant legal minds. I really want these lawyers working for me. This way I can be indicted on Bank and Wire Fraud charges.
Personally I don't give a shit about the Illegal Gambling charges. Why. because they are probably going to go away.
It's not the fact whether or not Poker is Skilled or Luck. It's not 100% a game of skill like say Chess or Checkers.
Its not 100% luck like walking up to a slot machine dropping a 20 in it , giving the arm a tug or pushing a button and hitting the Jackpot.
Fact is is that they set up an elaborate way to transfer money on to a poker site. Credit card companies banks and all other financial institutions stopped processing payments for these sites as the Government said it was ILLEGAL to facilitate such transactions. Tilt Stars and UB/AP ar now alleged to have set up fake companies and bribed several small banks (INVESTMENTS FROM EXECUTIVES TO BANKS THAT WERE IN BAD SHAPE. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Does this get any clearer my Friend.
They have screwed themselves out of the biggest market in the world.
They will NEVER OPERATE IN THE US AGAIN. Regardless of the outcome of trials.
AP is all but finished. I use to play on AP. 6 yrs ago. On a Wed night at midnight you would find 150K or more players playing. Tonight I checked
Just over 3ooo .
To be Honest I think they will disappear in the next say 3 weeks and no one who has played on that site is going to see a single cent of their money.
Probably UB too. Good Luck with that.
Stars probably will survive Largest of the 3 big European pool. BUT
If England, France and Italy decide to do the same thing as the States or not let them play within their countries borders . BYE BYE Pokerstars.
Tilt 50/50 chance I will give them to survive.
Next question. If these guys are so Innocent then Why are they hiding in another country? Why not come back and face the MUSIC.
They will continue to hide cause they know they are pooched.
I truly am happy our American Friends are going to get their money and I feel bad for what has happened to them but that's the way it is.
Side Note Here before I go to work.
Cash Poker is Gambling. If you are in the hand you are (BETTING) on the outcome of the Cards in your hand against the cards in your opponents hand.
Tournament poker is the same. Basically your Buy-In is a wager on the outcome of an event. You can either win ( Cashing ) or lose Busting Out before the MONEY!
If England, France and Italy decide to do the same thing as the States or not let them play within their countries borders . BYE BYE Pokerstars.
Tilt 50/50 chance I will give them to survive.
pokerstars.fr and pokerstars.it are fully licenced in those countries.
Brilliant legal minds. I really want these lawyers working for me. This way I can be indicted on Bank and Wire Fraud charges.
Personally I don't give a shit about the Illegal Gambling charges. Why. because they are probably going to go away.
Being indicted and being convicted are two different things and the latter has yet to happen. In the meantime, Stars and Tilt have both made a killing in the US market. I never stated in my post that the way in which the sites conducted themselves with regards to the banks and payment processors was particularly smart. I only said that staying in the US market was not necessarily as stupid as you think given that they have competent legal advisors at their disposal.
As for the fraud charges, who is the victim here? Does there not need to be a victim in a fraud charge? I haven't heard of any banks losing money on this. The only victims I see are the players whos funds have been illegally seized by the DOJ time and time again which the sites have reimbursed them for.
It's not the fact whether or not Poker is Skilled or Luck. It's not 100% a game of skill like say Chess or Checkers.
Its not 100% luck like walking up to a slot machine dropping a 20 in it , giving the arm a tug or pushing a button and hitting the Jackpot.
The fact is, skill predominates in poker. It does not have to be 100% skill to be a game of skill. There are elements of chance in pretty much any game. I'm an avid chess player and I have lost many games due to unlucky circumstances in which I didn't see the correct move that I should have been able to see for whatever reason or my opponent makes a brilliant play above his skill level for the wrong reasons. Golf has elements of chance in it but is still considered a game of skill. So the question is and always has been does skill predominate? The answer is obviously yes. Anybody who says no obviously sucks at poker.
Fact is is that they set up an elaborate way to transfer money on to a poker site. Credit card companies banks and all other financial institutions stopped processing payments for these sites as the Government said it was ILLEGAL to facilitate such transactions.
When you say that the government said it was illegal, which part of the government are you referring to? Legislators clearly have not said it is illegal in the UIGEA because poker was not defined in that law as unlawful gambling so technically - it doesn't apply. The DOJ is not the government. They are a government agency whose task it is to enforce laws - not write them. It will eventually be proved imo that poker was never clearly defined as illegal and therefore those transactions were never illegal either.
Tilt Stars and UB/AP ar now alleged to have set up fake companies and bribed several small banks (INVESTMENTS FROM EXECUTIVES TO BANKS THAT WERE IN BAD SHAPE. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Does this get any clearer my Friend.
No it is not clear. That is why I am posting. Because you keep claiming how clearly Stars is phuked. And you are wrong. Once again, it comes down to whether or not the transactions were ever illegal in the first place. If they were not - then the sites did nothing wrong by offering banks incentives. Incentive and investment deals happen all the time in perfectly legal business arrangements. If the transactions they were processing were legal to begin with then this is no different.
It is also common practice for certain types of legal internet business to disguise the nature of the transactions for the sake of their customers privacy. ie porn website memberships
They have screwed themselves out of the biggest market in the world.
They will NEVER OPERATE IN THE US AGAIN. Regardless of the outcome of trials.
Again, you state things as if they are 100% clear and once again you are wrong. If the sites manage to beat the DOJ in court and the outcome of the trial is that they did not do anything illegal then the sites will have legal recourse under international economic treaties to access the US market. I'm not claiming this would 100% be the case. I'm not just saying you're wrong about them 100% not being able to ever access the US market.
AP is all but finished. I use to play on AP. 6 yrs ago. On a Wed night at midnight you would find 150K or more players playing. Tonight I checked
Just over 3ooo .
To be Honest I think they will disappear in the next say 3 weeks and no one who has played on that site is going to see a single cent of their money.
Probably UB too. Good Luck with that.
At least we agree on one thing.
Stars probably will survive Largest of the 3 big European pool. BUT
If England, France and Italy decide to do the same thing as the States or not let them play within their countries borders . BYE BYE Pokerstars.
Tilt 50/50 chance I will give them to survive.
I seriously doubt that England is to do anything here. They are so much more liberal when it comes to online gambling they must think that US policy and the DOJ is retarded. France and Italy have already licensed Poker Stars to operate within their country. Surely they were aware that Poker Stars was operating in the US despite the interpretations of the UIGEA at the time the license was issued.
Next question. If these guys are so Innocent then Why are they hiding in another country? Why not come back and face the MUSIC.
They will continue to hide cause they know they are pooched.
I'm sure that like you, me and everybody else in the free world, they like their freedom.
I truly am happy our American Friends are going to get their money and I feel bad for what has happened to them but that's the way it is.
Side Note Here before I go to work.
Cash Poker is Gambling. If you are in the hand you are (BETTING) on the outcome of the Cards in your hand against the cards in your opponents hand.
Tournament poker is the same. Basically your Buy-In is a wager on the outcome of an event. You can either win ( Cashing ) or lose Busting Out before the MONEY!
Nobody is saying that Cash Poker is not gambling. The argument is that it is a game of skill and that skill predominates. That argument will eventually be won.
If tournament poker is gambling then so are golf tournaments. You buy-in and wager that money that you are going to win. Remember that the chips have no monetary value in a poker tournament. I'm not saying that poker is not gambling. What I am saying is that if it is defined as gambling then many other things can be as well. Next thing you know the DOJ will be blocking golf pros from recieving their prizes and locking them up.
Here is one backward ass thing that just happened...Feltstars upgraded on Merge last night, being said to accommodate more US players and is no longer accepting Aussies.
One thing their pros have been going on about is an upcoming cash out to their own debit card option? (the CPT had this idea a few years ago and it never got off the ground)
Wouldn't financial institutions have to recognize said card and isn't this exactlly what the US doesn't want???
Am I alone in thinking this is the strangest turn of events this week?
Does anyone have any insight?
Tilt transfers seem to be working just fine via bank transfer.
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Got Stars moneybookers today. Full tilt posted some pretty promising stuff about this mess as well, saying moneybookers will be back as soon as they get through the backlog of transfers from the past few days.
There is this gem to ponder too "Over the past 6 six years, HeadsUp Entertainment has been developing relationships and business operations with land based casinos in Canada and Internationally. By operating in this sector and hosting poker events that are licensed and sanctioned by regional governing bodies, it has avoided the potential short term gains associated with the unregulated online sector and positioned it for opportunities that now become the mainstream revenue sectors of the tournament poker market."
just to reconfirm in case you haven't been playing online since this all went down. Best hand all in with a lower stack still loses 98% of the time. That is all.
Absolute Poker Issues Statement on Recent DOJ Action
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St. John’s, Antigua and Barbuda (Marketwire) April 21, 2011 --- Absolute Poker, including the UB (formerly Ultimate Bet) brand, hereafter “Absolute Poker”, issued the following statement today.
“Absolute Poker has retained Blank Rome LLP as United States counsel to provide legal advice in relation to civil and criminal matters filed in federal court in Manhattan and made public on April 15, 2011. Absolute Poker is aware that on April 19, 2011, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York entered into separate agreements with FullTilt Poker and PokerStars. These agreements concern the use of the respective Online Poker - Play Online at Full Tilt Poker Room and PokerStars - USA domain names. The US Attorney, in a press release dated April 20, 2011, stated that the government is willing to enter the same agreement with Absolute Poker and UB.
“At this time, Absolute Poker’s top priority is, and must be, the refund of balances to its and UB’s US players. However, given the far-reaching consequences of the US Attorney’s actions for Absolute Poker and for the entire poker community, Absolute Poker believes that the responsible course of action is to review with its attorneys the relevant court filings before taking any action.
“Absolute Poker believes that the US Attorney shares the view that refunds to US players are an immediate and pressing concern, and Absolute Poker wishes to make clear that it wants to work cooperatively with the US Attorney to safely and efficiently return its players’ funds. To that end, Absolute Poker’s counsel has initiated communications with the US Attorney’s office and plans to continue proactively advancing those discussions.
“Further information and timely updates will be provided to Absolute Poker/UB’s players as we move forward.”
Still not holding my breath waiting for UB to refund my measly $64. (Built up from a free $10. they gave me a while back). I hadn't played there in at least 2 years, but it was free. Here's the response I got back after trying to withdraw back to Moneybookers.
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Thank you for contacting us.
We genuinely appreciate your patience during these difficult and extraordinary times.
Our company has retained U.S. legal counsel to review these matters and we will provide more detailed feedback within the next few days.
We don’t have any further information at this time.
If there is anything else we can do for you, please contact us.
Just read a few stories that the government of Antigua is consideration World Trade Organization action against the U.S. for shutting down online gambling access to US citizens.
The gyst of the action is that the US has no right to stop an international company from doing business with US citizens. Especially since the business in not illegal in the US.
Apparently they won a WTO ruling back in 2005 as well.
I'm interested in reading up on this. Do you happen to have a link?
Sorry, no . . . with all the different articles since last Friday, I do not. I think it might have come from the Canada P-k-r site, though. I'll noodle around today . . .
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Personally I think the writing was on the wall for the big 3. Technically they have been skirting the law for the last 5 yrs.
I can go back to January when I first saw something about the UEIGA .
If they were smart they would have cleared out when Party and who ever else left the US Market 5 yrs ago.
Maybe the Govt knew that they were going to keep on keeping on and let them taking their sweet time to build a case against them.
They Made a lot of money but why shoot yourself in the head and continue to run in the biggest market. Now you are going to be out of the biggest market in the world forever. NO WAY are any of these three going to get a license to operate legally in the US when it finally becomes truely legal.
The same thing could happen here.
I can tip my hat to the DOJ for making a deal to give Stars and tilt their domains back to arrange for processors so the US players can get their money back.
Ub/AP? Not a peep and US players are still logging on to play.
I gotta hand it to the Douche Bags . Big hairy balls to continue after everything that Happened last Friday.
DoJ has offered the same deal to them. Let's see if they take it or fold and walk away. They know they are pretty much screwed now.
I would expect very soon that Bodog and whoever else is servicing the US will be going through the same thing.
In a few of your posts you've emphasized how Stars/Tilt are phuked. I'm not going to comment so much on Tilt because they are a lot smaller than stars and they just lost a larger player portion of their player pool. Stars was smarter about this by marketing more aggressively in Europe.
You commented on them not being smart by staying in the US market since the UIGEA. I don't think it is all that simple. I'm sure Stars and Tilt had competent legal advisors telling them that they were not breaking any US laws by offering online poker to their US customers based on their interpretations of the law. And those laws are still open for interpretation. The UIGEA is very vague and does not specifically state that online poker is illegal. It does however contain a passage that excludes games of skill from unlawful gambling. This exclusion is to allow people to continue to participate in golf, tennis, darts, chess, billiards or other skill game tournaments for cash prizes.
Poker is such a game. In order for the courts to find the defendants guilty of operating an illegal gambling business they must first prove that poker is not a game of skill.
And that just isn't going to happen. Any debate with an expert on the matter will crush the DOJ's position that it is not a game of skill. From there, I suspect many other aspects of the DOJ's case will fall apart. If the sites were not doing anything unlawful in the first place then it'll be much harder for the other charges to stick. It will become clear that it is the ambiguity of the relevant US laws that are to blame here, and the answer will of course be legislation which either clearly bans, or regulates onlline poker, the latter of course being much more likely.
Stars isn't going anywhere. The games are better than they have been in a couple of years and I just got $200 free today
Can we say NO WIN rather than WIN........ The DoJ is just really really stupid.
Brilliant legal minds. I really want these lawyers working for me. This way I can be indicted on Bank and Wire Fraud charges.
Personally I don't give a shit about the Illegal Gambling charges. Why. because they are probably going to go away.
It's not the fact whether or not Poker is Skilled or Luck. It's not 100% a game of skill like say Chess or Checkers.
Its not 100% luck like walking up to a slot machine dropping a 20 in it , giving the arm a tug or pushing a button and hitting the Jackpot.
Fact is is that they set up an elaborate way to transfer money on to a poker site. Credit card companies banks and all other financial institutions stopped processing payments for these sites as the Government said it was ILLEGAL to facilitate such transactions. Tilt Stars and UB/AP ar now alleged to have set up fake companies and bribed several small banks (INVESTMENTS FROM EXECUTIVES TO BANKS THAT WERE IN BAD SHAPE. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Does this get any clearer my Friend.
They have screwed themselves out of the biggest market in the world.
They will NEVER OPERATE IN THE US AGAIN. Regardless of the outcome of trials.
AP is all but finished. I use to play on AP. 6 yrs ago. On a Wed night at midnight you would find 150K or more players playing. Tonight I checked
Just over 3ooo .
To be Honest I think they will disappear in the next say 3 weeks and no one who has played on that site is going to see a single cent of their money.
Probably UB too. Good Luck with that.
Stars probably will survive Largest of the 3 big European pool. BUT
If England, France and Italy decide to do the same thing as the States or not let them play within their countries borders . BYE BYE Pokerstars.
Tilt 50/50 chance I will give them to survive.
Next question. If these guys are so Innocent then Why are they hiding in another country? Why not come back and face the MUSIC.
They will continue to hide cause they know they are pooched.
I truly am happy our American Friends are going to get their money and I feel bad for what has happened to them but that's the way it is.
Side Note Here before I go to work.
Cash Poker is Gambling. If you are in the hand you are (BETTING) on the outcome of the Cards in your hand against the cards in your opponents hand.
Tournament poker is the same. Basically your Buy-In is a wager on the outcome of an event. You can either win ( Cashing ) or lose Busting Out before the MONEY!
pokerstars.fr and pokerstars.it are fully licenced in those countries.
How about some original thoughts and predictions here instead of us all parroting 2+2 views.
Being indicted and being convicted are two different things and the latter has yet to happen. In the meantime, Stars and Tilt have both made a killing in the US market. I never stated in my post that the way in which the sites conducted themselves with regards to the banks and payment processors was particularly smart. I only said that staying in the US market was not necessarily as stupid as you think given that they have competent legal advisors at their disposal.
As for the fraud charges, who is the victim here? Does there not need to be a victim in a fraud charge? I haven't heard of any banks losing money on this. The only victims I see are the players whos funds have been illegally seized by the DOJ time and time again which the sites have reimbursed them for.
The fact is, skill predominates in poker. It does not have to be 100% skill to be a game of skill. There are elements of chance in pretty much any game. I'm an avid chess player and I have lost many games due to unlucky circumstances in which I didn't see the correct move that I should have been able to see for whatever reason or my opponent makes a brilliant play above his skill level for the wrong reasons. Golf has elements of chance in it but is still considered a game of skill. So the question is and always has been does skill predominate? The answer is obviously yes. Anybody who says no obviously sucks at poker.
When you say that the government said it was illegal, which part of the government are you referring to? Legislators clearly have not said it is illegal in the UIGEA because poker was not defined in that law as unlawful gambling so technically - it doesn't apply. The DOJ is not the government. They are a government agency whose task it is to enforce laws - not write them. It will eventually be proved imo that poker was never clearly defined as illegal and therefore those transactions were never illegal either.
No it is not clear. That is why I am posting. Because you keep claiming how clearly Stars is phuked. And you are wrong. Once again, it comes down to whether or not the transactions were ever illegal in the first place. If they were not - then the sites did nothing wrong by offering banks incentives. Incentive and investment deals happen all the time in perfectly legal business arrangements. If the transactions they were processing were legal to begin with then this is no different.
It is also common practice for certain types of legal internet business to disguise the nature of the transactions for the sake of their customers privacy. ie porn website memberships
Again, you state things as if they are 100% clear and once again you are wrong. If the sites manage to beat the DOJ in court and the outcome of the trial is that they did not do anything illegal then the sites will have legal recourse under international economic treaties to access the US market. I'm not claiming this would 100% be the case. I'm not just saying you're wrong about them 100% not being able to ever access the US market.
At least we agree on one thing.
I seriously doubt that England is to do anything here. They are so much more liberal when it comes to online gambling they must think that US policy and the DOJ is retarded. France and Italy have already licensed Poker Stars to operate within their country. Surely they were aware that Poker Stars was operating in the US despite the interpretations of the UIGEA at the time the license was issued.
I'm sure that like you, me and everybody else in the free world, they like their freedom.
Nobody is saying that Cash Poker is not gambling. The argument is that it is a game of skill and that skill predominates. That argument will eventually be won.
If tournament poker is gambling then so are golf tournaments. You buy-in and wager that money that you are going to win. Remember that the chips have no monetary value in a poker tournament. I'm not saying that poker is not gambling. What I am saying is that if it is defined as gambling then many other things can be as well. Next thing you know the DOJ will be blocking golf pros from recieving their prizes and locking them up.
One thing their pros have been going on about is an upcoming cash out to their own debit card option? (the CPT had this idea a few years ago and it never got off the ground)
Wouldn't financial institutions have to recognize said card and isn't this exactlly what the US doesn't want???
Am I alone in thinking this is the strangest turn of events this week?
Does anyone have any insight?
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Let's just wait and see what happens in court .....
Okay, not so much the way I play it, but still . . .
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Absolute Poker Issues Statement on Recent DOJ Action
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St. John’s, Antigua and Barbuda (Marketwire) April 21, 2011 --- Absolute Poker, including the UB (formerly Ultimate Bet) brand, hereafter “Absolute Poker”, issued the following statement today.
“Absolute Poker has retained Blank Rome LLP as United States counsel to provide legal advice in relation to civil and criminal matters filed in federal court in Manhattan and made public on April 15, 2011. Absolute Poker is aware that on April 19, 2011, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York entered into separate agreements with FullTilt Poker and PokerStars. These agreements concern the use of the respective Online Poker - Play Online at Full Tilt Poker Room and PokerStars - USA domain names. The US Attorney, in a press release dated April 20, 2011, stated that the government is willing to enter the same agreement with Absolute Poker and UB.
“At this time, Absolute Poker’s top priority is, and must be, the refund of balances to its and UB’s US players. However, given the far-reaching consequences of the US Attorney’s actions for Absolute Poker and for the entire poker community, Absolute Poker believes that the responsible course of action is to review with its attorneys the relevant court filings before taking any action.
“Absolute Poker believes that the US Attorney shares the view that refunds to US players are an immediate and pressing concern, and Absolute Poker wishes to make clear that it wants to work cooperatively with the US Attorney to safely and efficiently return its players’ funds. To that end, Absolute Poker’s counsel has initiated communications with the US Attorney’s office and plans to continue proactively advancing those discussions.
“Further information and timely updates will be provided to Absolute Poker/UB’s players as we move forward.”
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If there is anything else we can do for you, please contact us.
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I'm interested in reading up on this. Do you happen to have a link?
The gyst of the action is that the US has no right to stop an international company from doing business with US citizens. Especially since the business in not illegal in the US.
Apparently they won a WTO ruling back in 2005 as well.
Then the US ignored them and back-doored the UIGEA.
Sorry, no . . . with all the different articles since last Friday, I do not. I think it might have come from the Canada P-k-r site, though. I'll noodle around today . . .
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Yup