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Ashamed to be Canadian....
This is gross, and shameful.....on Veterans day....why?
What a sick city....sick mayor...sick police force.......
Brutal Police Eviction ~ Occupy Nova Scota ~ Day 28 - YouTube
What a sick city....sick mayor...sick police force.......
Brutal Police Eviction ~ Occupy Nova Scota ~ Day 28 - YouTube
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Good heavens man, the only other option would be anarchy...
And for this you are "ashamed" to be a Canadian? How would YOU handle it if in position of authority? Just curious....
we represent one of the worlds last hopes at a peaceful state of being....
our officials should be supporting this movement...
these protests are candles of peace.....
what is their to handle?
when protesting corruption of authority itself.....who should be aloud to 'handle' anything?
I ask again, what would YOU do if in position of authority?
The bottom line is these are not regular citizens that have jobs and pay taxes. For the most part these people are already living off the government handouts.
"That is private property, you have no right to touch it". Sure they do, especially when enforcing a lawful eviction notice enacted by the City. This quote, from the first 2 minutes of the video is indicative of the idiocy of many in the "Occupy" movement. Yes, they have the right to protest. What they do NOT have the right to do is defy the lawful ordfers of government without consequence. They had the opportunity to remove their property themselves, and chose to ignore that instruction. That right there leaves the protestors liable for everything that happens next. these were not cops in riot gear with batons. The police took a measured approach and began removing property from the park. When confronted with protestors attempting to defy the lawful instructions of the Police, they effected arrests, as they should. When assauited by protestors trying to intervene in those arrests, they arrested those protestors as well. As compuease said, I saw no "brutality" on that video, and I got a nice chuckle out of Dr. Protestor self-diagnosing his injuries back in his apartment.
As for how "brutal" the eviction itself was, we will have to agree to disagree.
I do find it humourous that the protestors in Toronto, so outraged by Government bailouts to big business, seem willing to accept assistance from one of the beneficiaries of those bailouts, namely the CAW. And for all they claim to be standing up for democracy, I wonder how many Union members got to vote on whether their dues should go to pay for those yurts?
Sorry, but these folks in Toronto have taken up space on Public property, without permits, have moved in equipment and facilities that the property was not designed for, have damaged the property to an as yet undetermined degree, and have denied the use of that property to their fellow citizens, in at least one instance a party that had contracted for the use of the park well in advance. It is time for them to go . . . and if they will not leave, it is time to evict them.
Final note: I am constantly amazed at how so many in the protest movement love and adore their Rights, but fail to remember that, incumbent with those Rights, are the responsibilities that go along with them.
i was under the impression protesting is above laws as our human right....
which is one of the points...
but even if it is illegal....we are questioning the very laws themselves.....
yes they do..and they rep you......the rep all the people....who don't understand the movement because we were raised in government decide school curriculum...
the reason i can't give an answer is because we disagree on your preconcieved notion of what the problem is....i think....?
They do NOT represent me, don't ever try to claim that. They never asked me, I hereby rescind all such thoughts implied or otherwise inferred.
As for you not being able to answer the question as to what you would do if in position of authority, you're copping out. (play on words by design). What would be your solution to the whole issue of most of the wealth and thus power being in the hands of the few? That in a nutshell is what I think is the chief complaint...
gotta give you credit tho Darb, this one is likely to get pretty long, pitting the so called "establishment" vs the "anti-establishment"
It is exactly a question that needs to be asked . . . namely: When does peaceful protest cross the line into something that is no longer acceptable, and who decides? These Occupations are taking place on City owned parcels of land, so it is fair (imo) that the government we elected decides how long to accept an illegal occupation of their property. If I were to go camp out on compuease's lawn to protest his "locking" of a thread on this site, it would be up to him to determine how long I get to stay (and maybe bring me a hot chocolate).
To a certain extent they already do . . . our banking regs are part of the reason our financial sector did not go off the rails back in '08, and why we are so much better off than the USA. As for anything else, where are the proposals from the Occupy Movement. If you are not prepared to provide atr least some semblance of an alternative, then your shouts and chants are just so much noise and babble.
What needs to be "handled" is the peaceful functioning of a modern City, and the maintenance of the rule of law. while these protest sites may, for the most part, be peaceful, they are not lawful, and there are some signs of worry starting to creep in.
We are a Nation of Laws. If there is corruption the government it needs to be rooted out and exposed, as has been done in the press countless times in the past, and will not doubt be done in the future as well. Who appointed the Occupiers as the safeguards of our country? You? comp? Me?
Nope, Like I said, protest all you like, but recognize that there are consequences to those protests. Thats how King did it, and Gandhi too. these idiots want to have it both ways, and the World does not work like that.
They in no way represent me. I did not ask them to.
As for what is going on, it's mainly self-entitlement.
What would you do if you were in charge of the City of Vancouver (King Darb the First) and had to resolve the Occupation?
Fixed it for you Hobbes . . . and comp? Out of curiosity, which side am I on? Cause it might not be who you think . . .
Side? I didn't know a side was required... I also may not be exactly the perfect establishment type either... lol... I certainly do not think it's healthy nor substainable for the wealth and power to reside with so few for long... However this is not the way to change it..
and ISWUDT..
do we agree that if the general public felt this was a just cause people would be screaming bloody murder when protests like this got shut down?
not sure about the truth but they said they had cops in riot gear cops waiting in a trailer...regardless it serve no purpose on either side of the argument...im more blown away that they did it...not how...
as for the injuries...coming from a guy how can dislocate pretty much any joint in the body...i can say its better assed by the patient than the doctor...just saying that you'll know if your shoulder goes out...before the doctor does...
i have no point about them tho...the violence is not the brutal part but its silly people are being physically touched in a stand in... the violence wasn't brutal...it was lame....but i believe its brutal it happened...that we disagree on and its ok... but we should be clear on that....but whoever titled the video may have felt different.
i don't know so much about this but we aren't saying the protesters are standing up for democracy are we...because i think at this point...i think they are against the type of democracy given...
but maybe you weren't refering to them ....
having a permit to protest means have to ask the government permission...this is a protest against the system that requires us to do that...not saying its a correct message to protest but...i don't think its right to saying they need a permit or they get aressted...i think the city.....which is made up of humans...should give them a permit... and support the movement....as well as the people who asked for the park in advance....this is more important....(im no saint either...ive done nothing liek this for the movement)...
saying something is not lawful does not refer to anything about the morals of it.....the signs of worry aren't fear of the protestors...it fear of having to confront the real issues that they won't leave until are confronted....we would rather pry them out than accept they are right i think
how do you expose a system that taught you how you think.
as for who appointed them....there are other ways to view the world then who gets apointed to what...but we don't know any...because all we know is the system we raised ourselves by...
i think someone like you would be helpful for things like this...more grounded view in some senses maybe...or at least..sensible opposition i think....
these idiots believe in a better world...i think its a shame that we can't filter out everything and just fully support the movement..maybe we can...i think it would be best....to disagree with anything...but not with the movement itself...
what i am saying...is people are mad that the governments allowed people like you...to grow up ignorant to the world....you must admit this...we were all raised this way..
they know you don't care...thats why they are upset..not at you....at the system that sheltered us...
about self entitlement....thats the most outrageous thing i have ever heard....
its about famine of millions...its about world famine....lack of homes...lack of ability to feed oneself or having to pay for water in country that don't have currency....its about the world....its why each city is involved...and gets a complaint...
but mj is just coincidence....i have a well thought out understanding of all this i believe...but its verrrry radical and against the accepted thought proccess of most...i appreciate being to bounce it off people is the deal....people who disagree in an intelligent way....
see this is a huge issue i think....we are skipping the part where we admit how bad it is...we go straight to the part where we have no other solution... and put or defeatist attitudes on..
we console ourselves with what we have rather than what the world doesn't have...we appreciate what we were born into in order to justify what others aren't..... we never just say its simply wrong and needs to stop....
i wasn't clear with this and i know its hard to understand what i mean here...
in being king....and the people were protesting monarchy....i would have snipers pick off my people...if i wanted to be king....
if i wanted to settle the protesters....to answer their cries...i would do not one act as 'king'......
i think that makes sense...but i could prob say it different...
The problem with the movement is that there is NOTHING to support. One guy in the video is shouting about how they are akin to the Veterans that Remembrance Day is meant to salute. He has no clue what he is tyalking about. Other people on the news are talking about "ending Capitalism" while taking videos with their iPhones. There is no coherent, sensible, unified message coming out of the Occupy Movement. Thus, they are perceived as rabble, and dealt with accordingly.
This whole issue brings up a very important point, we are all part of the problem and could be part of the solution, if only, we would get involved, legally. Heck, half of us don't even vote.... Wonder what % of the occupiers voted in the past few elections, or how many of them got involved in the political process in even a small way..
Just kidding.
Kudos gentlemen on a great debate thread (NO sarcasm intended). Just tiling the bathroom, took a break and found out how this thread had exploded. Good read.
I have followed with detached interest, and know that they're against people with money or something. But they have no agenda, no suggestions / feedback. They come off as lazy ass hippies and leeches on society.
They think they're all Martin Luther King and Gandhi, but they act like the entitled whiny bitches that they are. How many iPhones were in that video? I counted 3 at least.
Mark
It would be me!
I work with teens.
Mark
It must be nice to not have responsibilities and be able to live in a park for months. Gee, where do you get your money, the 99% you are trying to represent ? That will win a lot of supprt.