Fallsview Poker Classic 2012
Since the Ontario gaming commission vetoed the WPT event for October, 
we'll have to settle for the Fallsview Poker Classic.
The Fallsview Poker Classic Tournament is back at Fallsview Casino Resort from February 8-13, 2012.
They claim to be "giving away over $2.7 million" in prize money, which is less than the projected amount from the January 2011 FPC.
For more information, call the Poker Hotline at 1-866-5-POKER-5.
Please post when the satellite details are available. Hopefully, the single table satellites will be improved this year and won't all be winner-take-all. Otherwise, it will be time for more forum-organized rake-free satellites.
Feel free to post other suggestions and improvements from previous FPC.
we'll have to settle for the Fallsview Poker Classic.The Fallsview Poker Classic Tournament is back at Fallsview Casino Resort from February 8-13, 2012.
They claim to be "giving away over $2.7 million" in prize money, which is less than the projected amount from the January 2011 FPC.
For more information, call the Poker Hotline at 1-866-5-POKER-5.
Please post when the satellite details are available. Hopefully, the single table satellites will be improved this year and won't all be winner-take-all. Otherwise, it will be time for more forum-organized rake-free satellites.
Feel free to post other suggestions and improvements from previous FPC.
Comments
Wish we had an inside guy who can update us on these kinds of things in NF.
Oh it's not 100%, so I am out.:p
Check out their website as I hear they will be updating very soon.:biggrin2:
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Dumb question...
Why is this good?
Lower variance? Other than that I don't know...
Any plans to eliminate problems from this year ie scalping
I assume theres interest in this?
I'm in
When I told them that their web page states that the Fallsview Poker Classic is suppose to be Feb 8-13 and Satellites were suppose to start today, he was surprised that the web page says that.
Good old Fallsview, no communication to their staff
Ha. Thats a fantastic representation of Fallsviews organization.
Its funny, last year the tournaments themselves seemed to be run very smoothly and organized. But everything leading up to them was not.
Thanks for update, saved me a third call. Talked to them once, said they would have full info last Wednesday, to call back Thursday.
Did that, they told me they had nothing, keep watching website...
From the Fallsview site:
"In only its second year, the Fallsview Poker Classic had the largest field in Canadian Poker tournament history."
Sooooo.....why would AGCO veto other (WPT) poker tournaments? I'm sure there's a good reason for them to want to limit the amount of legitimate poker that's played in Ontario...I just can't figure out what it is.
Also, as for suggestions to make the FPC better, why not add more events? A few lower buy-ins, a few higher and some variety (kind of like that other big tournament does in Vegas every year). More people in the casino makes the casino more money...right?
More events.....varied buy-ins (high and low).......some different varations......someone might be on to something here........where have I seen that work before????
I find it hard to believe they beat BCPC's. Pretty sure it wasn't but either way...
I think the biggest reason they keep pushing WPT away is PartyPoker
Gaming Commisions hate online affiliation it's hard for a company who is owned by one such company to say "honestly, we will keep them totally unaffiliated!"
Then someone at Party jumps the gun and lists the Niagara event and on the same page talks about sats. Fallsview gets swarmed with questions about an event that is still technically being negotiated behind close doors and is now leaked. On top of that it makes the commission look like the bad guys in the eyes of the players, which is bound to piss them off more.
We might not agree with the old views and trust me, if it wasn't for revenues from online poker I wouldn't get paid for a ton of side work, so I wish it they had a better rep. But given all the shady shit of 2011, do you blame the regulators for proceeding with caution?
If it had been FTP throwing a big event and they made their own calls in running sats, people would have a hard time separating the two and it reflects badly on the live venues.
Here in Alberta they almost squashed the 2010 COPC because Cake put up sats that looked like a direct affiliation. A regulator found them and was not going to allow the permits to be issued, thankfully, after months of planning it did happen.
Fallsview is sitting on a goldmine and they know it. They have a massive poker population and just need to host to an event. If they starve the players, they don't have to offer the best event either and most say that structures amongst other things have lots of room to improve. They save on the overhead because it's a take it or leave it situation. As far as WPT goes, they would most likely want a piece of the reg fees, or be counting on online revenues through party to cover any costs they would incur, IMO.
Again we get back too, why would Fallsview give up any of the pie?
They have no reason to share.
Holes in my logic?
The OPs link was something from Fallsview directly and I didn't see anything on the Fallsview site which gives any kind of indication that the Fallsview Poker Classic is affiliated to ANY online poker site (unless the reverse is true and poker sites like Party, which I don't play at, are running sattys to the Fallsview Poker Classic - but I fail to see why Fallsview would want to hide that - they could let Party do their advertising for them like we are here). So again, I don't see any logical, sensible, reason why the AGCO would take issue with more, legitimate poker tournaments.
I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. If there is no affiliation between any online poker site and the event in question, how would any of the "shady shit" you speak of even be a factor in whether or not Fallsview (and other casinos in Ontario) host more poker tournaments? And even if there was some online affiliation to this event - was Fallsview or the AGCO involved in said shady shit?
Fallsview and some of the other casinos in Ontario are sitting on a goldmine but they don't seem terribly interested in mining it. I do agree, though, that because these type of events are so few and far between, casinos don't really have to put that much thought, effort or even money into advertising it (we're advertising it for them...) and players will most likely just take what they can get.
As for the pie, if you're talking about monies they might have to pay to independent organizers (like a WPT, for example) then that's just the cost of doing business and they still make money from the event itself (I guarantee you the Rio would not continue to host the WSOP if it were a money-losing proposition year after year). The casino would make money as well from the attendees in additional gambling revenue (table games, poker room, etc.), food and liquor sales. Again, more bodies in the casino = more money for the casino. More money for the casino = more money in the AGCO coffers. Even though they are a government entity, they are still, at the end of the day, a for-profit BUSINESS and ignoring opportunities to generate additional revenue at relatively low cost, is just BAD BUSINESS.
That being said, however, I will likely try and satty in to one of the events they are hosting (my meager and delayed attempt at trying to stay on topic).
My post makes a lot more sense when we are talking about the same thing.
I agree, they make their money by getting people in. The larger the buying though, the smaller the fields, usually the reg fees are much smaller percentage wise and the labour higher in terms of amount of play offered.
I am only trying to say that as much as regulations hamper the growth of poker, I am not 100% against seeing why they are such hard asses when it comes to online.
I trust the WPT, I trust Party, I trust the other big sites. That said, I also trusted Full Tilt and thought they were doing great things, like the Montreal Open. Now I have to second guess that. I can see where people who have to answer to the public would be very careful in their decisions. No disrespect meant in anyway, trying to find the logic.
There are only a certain amount of licensed and experinced card dealers in any given area, and that supply starts to get really thin when you try run big events. You can bring them all in, but only for so long. Then you start running overtime and labour costs add up. Smaller events, smaller price per head, so they either have to speed structure or lose profits via labor and they don't want to sacrifice those hours to the bigger events.
Las Vegas of course, doesn't have this issue and smaller at the WSOP is min 1k.
Even though you get more bodies into through poker, poker doesn't necessarily get the credit. casinos are divided into "properties" and each areas revenues are considered independent, the hotel, food etc. Though it's easy to show that the event helped these areas and helps push it to happen, it's a bonus for them and not a consideration when it comes to budgets and profits for the poker department itself. I have no idea why, other than at the end of the day they will look at overhead vs rake generated by poker alone.
At least that's the way I understand it here in Alberta, which is very similar to Ontario in many ways gaming wise. The only thing we have an edge on is average tables per casino and number of casinos.
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