Rogers Digital #288
Bell Expresvu #274
Cogico 118?
As far as the tournament with Devo - it's one that I would like to forget - except for its valuable lessons and the good company.
I was doing well until I played a good flop rather passively and it translated into my stack being near swallowed by Devo who was holding a small pair and was making a good move against my flush/overcard draw (He read my weakness as just that - weakness). In my opinion this hand was my only major mistake. Good game otherwise. Not much was closing for me that night - whether I was favored on the flop or not. All in all a great time though.
Johnny T
Did this channel just become available on Cogeco this week? I was searching for poker shows when I noticed a whole bunch of listings for channel 118 that was never there before. I went to the channel to order it from my digital cable box, but it seems to be free!Â
Great to see an entire show dedicated to cash games last night.
Hopefully the powers that be will continue to mix it up a bit
and show us a wider variety of online poker.
Some higher level NL ring games, some limit games,
maybe even some heads up sit and go's would be great.
Great to see an entire show dedicated to cash games last night.
Hopefully the powers that be will continue to mix it up a bit
and show us a wider variety of online poker.
Some higher level NL ring games, some limit games,
maybe even some heads up sit and go's would be great.
Doing a great job Devo and John, keep it up.
Agreed, it was a great change and hope to see it more iften.
The SnG's are real money. The stakes vary. Sometimes they show tournaments, sometimes cash games. If you go to whichever site they are showcasing, maybe you can get in on the action and get commented on by Devin.
One site they feature is Riverbelle, I forget the other(s).
The SnG's are real money. The stakes vary. Sometimes they show tournaments, sometimes cash games. If you go to whichever site they are showcasing, maybe you can get in on the action and get commented on by Devin.
One site they feature is Riverbelle, I forget the other(s).
you don't have to be on the site they are showcasing, just the Prima Network, so ANY of these rooms, under TV heading.
Royal Vegas Poker
bet365poker
The Gaming Club Poker Room
NordicBet Poker
Bet Hold`em
Poker Metro
StansPoker.com
Crazy Poker
BetonUSA Poker
Aztec Riches Poker
7 Sultans Poker
Lucky Nugget Poker
32Red Poker
River Belle Poker
Golden Tiger Poker
Code Poker
IntertopsPoker
Wild Jack Poker
Purple Lounge
Golden Riviera Poker
Captain Cook`s Poker
Poker333
Colosseum Poker
Grand Bay Poker
Spin Palace Poker
Virtual City Poker
Trident Poker
Roxy Poker
Thunderluck Poker
Big Dollar Poker
Boylepoker
24Poker
betED Poker
Poker Rewards
Tell Poker
Battlefield Poker
All In Poker
Atlas Poker
5 Dogs Poker
PokerTime
DreamPoker
BetOnBet
Gamebookers
Unibet
Betway.com
Great to see an entire show dedicated to cash games last night.
Hopefully the powers that be will continue to mix it up a bit
and show us a wider variety of online poker.
Some higher level NL ring games, some limit games,
maybe even some heads up sit and go's would be great.
Doing a great job Devo and John, keep it up.
Agreed, it was a great change and hope to see it more iften.
Thanks very much! Unfortunately it doesn't look like me and John will be doing a show together again for a while, due to scheduling. That's too bad... it's great doing shows with Tina, but mixing it up has been fun too.
As for the "cash games hour", I was reluctant at first because I find that with sit-and-go's, there is a bit more in the way of strategy to discuss. In cash games, the danger is presenting each hand as though it exists in a vacuum, independent of past hands. So, we try to pretend as though we're at the table, and guess what players might think about each other in terms of who is tilting, who is afraid of whom, etcetera.
Also, when there's not much going on in a hand, it gave us an opportunity to talk about poker in general... our own personal experiences and our own ideas about the game, and it's nice to have an opportunity to just riff like that.
Apologies if this has been asked, but does PNL ever think of doing a night of Omaha / Stud or other games?
I'd love to see some professional commentary on a PLOM ring game.
Mark
This has never been brought up in our meetings. LHE games and MTT's have been brought up, along with some other ideas (play the experts, etc.) but nothing about Omaha or Stud.Â
My thoughts on LHE games is that they would have to be played at relatively high limits. At least $5/$10, but really, the higher the better. This is because, from what I can remember, many low-limit LHE games are very much like bingo, or no-fold-em hold'em, or showdown poker, or what have you. Basically, nobody folds, and the best hand at the end wins. This would be interesting to watch/talk about for about 4 or 5 minutes, and no more, IMHO.
Omaha would be impossible to talk about, given the speed of online poker. For example (read out loud as fast as you possibly can):
ballnutz needs any 3, 6, 8, heart, or jack to put him ahead on the turn mxgucci has a chance if a ten comes but the jack's no good because that would give ballnutz his straight gdidi can't win this hand as none of her outs are clean but she can't possibly know that and phillivey is drawing extremely thin to a three and a three only now here comes the turn card it's the 6 of spades so that puts ballnutz in the lead but we still have two players drawing live but slim gdidi needs to get out of this hand now and I think ballnutz should bet about two thirds of the pot
Etcetera.
Stud would be a little easier, but not much. In all honesty, it all comes down to presenting what the majority of poker players would be interested in watching, and in this day and age, most poker players want to watch no-limit hold'em. They'll put up with limit hold'em sometimes, but no-limit hold'em is really what they're after. I have no statistics to back this up, but I think I'm probably right. The people at this great forum are not an accurate representation of the poker world in general, sadly.
My thoughts on LHE games is that they would have to be played at relatively high limits. At least $5/$10, but really, the higher the better. This is because, from what I can remember, many low-limit LHE games are very much like bingo, or no-fold-em hold'em, or showdown poker, or what have you.
Do you even play online anymore? Incidently, I'd love to know on what backwaters sites these no-foldem games exist. IMO $2--4 and $3-6 online is probably a tougher game to beat than $20-$40 live (and no, I haven't played $20-$40 live). Unless $20-$40 is orders of magnitude tougher than a typical $10-$20 game that is.
My thoughts on LHE games is that they would have to be played at relatively high limits. At least $5/$10, but really, the higher the better. This is because, from what I can remember, many low-limit LHE games are very much like bingo, or no-fold-em hold'em, or showdown poker, or what have you.
Do you even play online anymore?  Incidently, I'd love to know on what backwaters sites these no-foldem games exist. IMO $2--4 and $3-6 online is probably a tougher game to beat than $20-$40 live (and no, I haven't played $20-$40 live). Unless $20-$40 is orders of magnitude tougher than a typical $10-$20 game that is.Â
LOL... "from what I can remember" was referring to the fact that it's been a long while since I've played low limit hold'em, online or live.
I play online regularly, although I'm not as fanatical about it as I once was. Sometimes I find it really exciting, sometimes I find it quite boring, and it always comes down to how many hours/week I'm putting in at my "real" jobs. The past three days: Saturday 9am to 1:30am, Sunday 9am to 8pm, Monday 9am to 8pm. This is not an uncommon string of days for me.
I'll take your word about $2/$4 and $3/$6 games. As I said, I have no idea... it's possible that they're tough to beat now, but when I first started playing online (in 2001) they were multiway to the river more often than not. And, in general, I think it's probably not entirely correct to make assumptions about games based on the limits that are being played. If you have ten world-class players who decide (for some reason) that they're going to play $2/$4, and that they're going to play at their absolute best, then that wouldn't be a soft game. I'm sure many low-limit tables are difficult to beat. It seems that we are both guilty of making assumptions about quality of play based on the stakes, but again, all I can comment on is how it was when I was playing the low-limit games in question.
Lately I've been playing $15/$30 and $25/$50 shorthanded LHE at pokerroom, as well as some of their multi's. I cashed for a 3rd place finish in one of their $100 + rebuys MTT's a few days ago. Just gearing up for the Ultimate Poker Challenge in Brantford in September. Good luck!
And, in general, I think it's probably not entirely correct to make assumptions about games based on the limits that are being played.
You're right. In general I'd say you can probably find a fair amount of TP or TA LL games online. Really you're just looking to find half decent tables that have either 1 major donator, or 2-3 semi-weak donators.
Personally I find table selection a much easier chore live than online (as contradictory as it sounds). While there are more tables online to choose from, there's a myriad of LL grinders looking for these weak games, so I think a lot of the time you find a semi good table, it's also infested with a few TAGs.
Live (at least at the limits I play), I find typically any table you sit at will have at least 2 complete moron LP or LA players, 2-4 more semi-weak players (that would be monstrous donators in tight online games). 1-2 rocks that are the least dangerous players at the table since you always know where you stand, and generally at most one other TAG.
Of course some tables will be even better and have 6 morons and 3 semi-morons.
Meh, maybe I should play more shorthanded and get away from full-ring online for a bit...
It is great to see so much newly generated interest from the Cogeco viewers. Devo, looks to have handled most of the inquiries, but I want to say thanks for the words of encouragement. In light of the positive response regarding the recent cash games, I will see if we can get it on more often, but these decisions (Omaha, Stud, Limit etc) are not always in our hands. As far as the low limit cash games go, I think it would be a good idea to show them, and even if they are wildly loose - there is still an effective strategy to win big at these games and I think that this would be helpful to viewers whether they play online or in loose live games in clubs or casinos. I think that loose games are the reality for MOST poker players (That is...the masses that play at Casino's and online). One trip to the CNE poker room is quite telling.
Thanks again!
Johnny T
for the experts at PNL, i've noticed a mistake you guys sometimes make when announcing the play. It's really small and stupid, but meh On those specific sites when a player makes a bet, it is automatically added to the total of the main pot, which leads to a bit of confusion.
Ex: Pot is 100, player A makes a bet of 50, and an expert will see the pot as 150 and say hmm a 50 chip bet into 150 that's a bit of a weak bet, when in actualy fact it's 50% of the pot, not 33%.
Well there seem to be only 6 people registered for the tournament, and all of them seem to be regulars at PNL, Haty, PhilIvey Dsilver. So me thinks it will be played on PNL. Shoulda just gotten a MTSNG... poop i wanted in.
It's hunder MTT at the left of the screen, then under the section "Special" It starts in one day. I just realised that I hadn't made a profile for that account, so it actualyl could be open to all Canadians. I just made mine, but it says it could take up to 24 hours to verify it So hopefully i'll still be able to enter.
Problem is i don't have money on that account You either you Hobbes or Actyper be willing to trade me 10$ on RiverBelle for 200CPF$ which you can cash in at any time for 10$ at Supreme Poker? I'd really like to get into that tourny. 250$ added, and it might be on PNL. Hope to hear back soon, i'll be checking the forums every hour or so. My account name on RiverBelle is ChristopherW.
Thx.
_Haty_ got an email saying he was invited cause he was Canadian, so just make sure in your profile you say you're from Canada, i just changed mine, so hopefully it updates in time. If not tomorrow i'll send em an email a couple hours before. So I really hope someone will trade 10$on Belle for 200 cpf dollars :
P.S there is a private low stakes NL cash game for PNL regulars. prolly like .25 .50$ at RiverBelle. The table is PokerNightLiveRegulars and their Password is pokernight.
It's hunder MTT at the left of the screen, then under the section "Special" It starts in one day. I just realised that I hadn't made a profile for that account, so it actualyl could be open to all Canadians. I just made mine, but it says it could take up to 24 hours to verify it So hopefully i'll still be able to enter.
Problem is i don't have money on that account You either you Hobbes or Actyper be willing to trade me 10$ on RiverBelle for 200CPF$ which you can cash in at any time for 10$ at Supreme Poker? I'd really like to get into that tourny. 250$ added, and it might be on PNL. Hope to hear back soon, i'll be checking the forums every hour or so. My account name on RiverBelle is ChristopherW.
Thx.
I got an email from them, actually from Gaming Club, saying you have been invited for this tourney. I don't think you can do transfers on the prima network, I could be wrong though.
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Mark
Bell Expresvu #274
Cogico 118?
As far as the tournament with Devo - it's one that I would like to forget - except for its valuable lessons and the good company.
I was doing well until I played a good flop rather passively and it translated into my stack being near swallowed by Devo who was holding a small pair and was making a good move against my flush/overcard draw (He read my weakness as just that - weakness). In my opinion this hand was my only major mistake. Good game otherwise. Not much was closing for me that night - whether I was favored on the flop or not. All in all a great time though.
Johnny T
Cheers
Lou
Hopefully the powers that be will continue to mix it up a bit
and show us a wider variety of online poker.
Some higher level NL ring games, some limit games,
maybe even some heads up sit and go's would be great.
Doing a great job Devo and John, keep it up.
Agreed, it was a great change and hope to see it more iften.
I'd love to see some professional commentary on a PLOM ring game.
Mark
One site they feature is Riverbelle, I forget the other(s).
you don't have to be on the site they are showcasing, just the Prima Network, so ANY of these rooms, under TV heading.
Royal Vegas Poker
bet365poker
The Gaming Club Poker Room
NordicBet Poker
Bet Hold`em
Poker Metro
StansPoker.com
Crazy Poker
BetonUSA Poker
Aztec Riches Poker
7 Sultans Poker
Lucky Nugget Poker
32Red Poker
River Belle Poker
Golden Tiger Poker
Code Poker
IntertopsPoker
Wild Jack Poker
Purple Lounge
Golden Riviera Poker
Captain Cook`s Poker
Poker333
Colosseum Poker
Grand Bay Poker
Spin Palace Poker
Virtual City Poker
Trident Poker
Roxy Poker
Thunderluck Poker
Big Dollar Poker
Boylepoker
24Poker
betED Poker
Poker Rewards
Tell Poker
Battlefield Poker
All In Poker
Atlas Poker
5 Dogs Poker
PokerTime
DreamPoker
BetOnBet
Gamebookers
Unibet
Betway.com
Thanks very much! Unfortunately it doesn't look like me and John will be doing a show together again for a while, due to scheduling. That's too bad... it's great doing shows with Tina, but mixing it up has been fun too.
As for the "cash games hour", I was reluctant at first because I find that with sit-and-go's, there is a bit more in the way of strategy to discuss. In cash games, the danger is presenting each hand as though it exists in a vacuum, independent of past hands. So, we try to pretend as though we're at the table, and guess what players might think about each other in terms of who is tilting, who is afraid of whom, etcetera.
Also, when there's not much going on in a hand, it gave us an opportunity to talk about poker in general... our own personal experiences and our own ideas about the game, and it's nice to have an opportunity to just riff like that.
This has never been brought up in our meetings. LHE games and MTT's have been brought up, along with some other ideas (play the experts, etc.) but nothing about Omaha or Stud.Â
My thoughts on LHE games is that they would have to be played at relatively high limits. At least $5/$10, but really, the higher the better. This is because, from what I can remember, many low-limit LHE games are very much like bingo, or no-fold-em hold'em, or showdown poker, or what have you. Basically, nobody folds, and the best hand at the end wins. This would be interesting to watch/talk about for about 4 or 5 minutes, and no more, IMHO.
Omaha would be impossible to talk about, given the speed of online poker. For example (read out loud as fast as you possibly can):
ballnutz needs any 3, 6, 8, heart, or jack to put him ahead on the turn mxgucci has a chance if a ten comes but the jack's no good because that would give ballnutz his straight gdidi can't win this hand as none of her outs are clean but she can't possibly know that and phillivey is drawing extremely thin to a three and a three only now here comes the turn card it's the 6 of spades so that puts ballnutz in the lead but we still have two players drawing live but slim gdidi needs to get out of this hand now and I think ballnutz should bet about two thirds of the pot
Etcetera.
Stud would be a little easier, but not much. In all honesty, it all comes down to presenting what the majority of poker players would be interested in watching, and in this day and age, most poker players want to watch no-limit hold'em. They'll put up with limit hold'em sometimes, but no-limit hold'em is really what they're after. I have no statistics to back this up, but I think I'm probably right. The people at this great forum are not an accurate representation of the poker world in general, sadly.
I'm not sure... I never really got into the whole torrenting thing. It would be cool if there were some floating around out there, though.
Do you even play online anymore?
LOL... "from what I can remember" was referring to the fact that it's been a long while since I've played low limit hold'em, online or live.
I play online regularly, although I'm not as fanatical about it as I once was. Sometimes I find it really exciting, sometimes I find it quite boring, and it always comes down to how many hours/week I'm putting in at my "real" jobs. The past three days: Saturday 9am to 1:30am, Sunday 9am to 8pm, Monday 9am to 8pm. This is not an uncommon string of days for me.
I'll take your word about $2/$4 and $3/$6 games. As I said, I have no idea... it's possible that they're tough to beat now, but when I first started playing online (in 2001) they were multiway to the river more often than not. And, in general, I think it's probably not entirely correct to make assumptions about games based on the limits that are being played. If you have ten world-class players who decide (for some reason) that they're going to play $2/$4, and that they're going to play at their absolute best, then that wouldn't be a soft game. I'm sure many low-limit tables are difficult to beat. It seems that we are both guilty of making assumptions about quality of play based on the stakes, but again, all I can comment on is how it was when I was playing the low-limit games in question.
Lately I've been playing $15/$30 and $25/$50 shorthanded LHE at pokerroom, as well as some of their multi's. I cashed for a 3rd place finish in one of their $100 + rebuys MTT's a few days ago. Just gearing up for the Ultimate Poker Challenge in Brantford in September. Good luck!
You're right. In general I'd say you can probably find a fair amount of TP or TA LL games online. Really you're just looking to find half decent tables that have either 1 major donator, or 2-3 semi-weak donators.
Personally I find table selection a much easier chore live than online (as contradictory as it sounds). While there are more tables online to choose from, there's a myriad of LL grinders looking for these weak games, so I think a lot of the time you find a semi good table, it's also infested with a few TAGs.
Live (at least at the limits I play), I find typically any table you sit at will have at least 2 complete moron LP or LA players, 2-4 more semi-weak players (that would be monstrous donators in tight online games). 1-2 rocks that are the least dangerous players at the table since you always know where you stand, and generally at most one other TAG.
Of course some tables will be even better and have 6 morons and 3 semi-morons.
Meh, maybe I should play more shorthanded and get away from full-ring online for a bit...
Thanks again!
Johnny T
Ex: Pot is 100, player A makes a bet of 50, and an expert will see the pot as 150 and say hmm a 50 chip bet into 150 that's a bit of a weak bet, when in actualy fact it's 50% of the pot, not 33%.
Chris:
I can't see that tourney on RiverBelle, what is it under?
Hobbes
Problem is i don't have money on that account
Thx.
P.S there is a private low stakes NL cash game for PNL regulars. prolly like .25 .50$ at RiverBelle. The table is PokerNightLiveRegulars and their Password is pokernight.
I got an email from them, actually from Gaming Club, saying you have been invited for this tourney. I don't think you can do transfers on the prima network, I could be wrong though.