I think you would be good at programming actually as you seem to have the singularity of purpose that it often requires. As for the martial arts I recall you mentioning it before, which martial arts do you prefer? Three of my grandkids take Taekwondo, the 10 old got his 1st black belt several months ago. What is your "art"? I myself never learned martial arts formally, just the good old street version of common sense.
I teach that, basically what bruce lee pointed to through krishnamurti. My art would be called Ju Jitsu, and of the brazilian kind, but my instructor left the brazillian roots (as many do), and I have left the "Ju Jitsu" distinction somewhat.
Lee talked about the root of all martial arts, and so truthfully to be sincere to "martial art", one must seek to understand what unites each of these branches sort of like the single ancient martial art.
Such a path of inquiry becomes a lesson and philosophy in itself and that points to the true "martial art" or path of self discovery. I'm finished with belts essentialy but a higher level black belt gave me permision to teach a long time ago. I had my 2nd of 5 belts (blue) around when I blew my knee, spent 7 or so years off the mats or competing but often help grow the dojo regardless. I'm starting to be able to train again with out issues from the knee.
Martial arts and school have the same inherent issue, people that think heroism means hurting evil doers with Ju Jitsu. Ju Jitsu means gentle art...they are wrong too.
If you are going to ban someone for alleged bad behavior off site, then how about listing some stuff that can get you banned?
Murder is probably on the list.
Kiddy diddlers? For sure.
Drug pushers? Why not? They are scum of the earth.
Drunk drivers?
Idiotic drunks who insist on taking their pants off AND being obnoxious at every poker tournament?
Angle shooters? Those guys are assholes.
Devil worshippers ? Fuck em!
Illinois Nazis? I HATE Illinois Nazis!
Hmmm better be careful. We will lose a lot of members.
The difficulty lies for example in the reason for murder.
Or if possibly a pedo was abused themselves as a child. Or the drug pusher had drugs pushed on them, maybe before they had a chance to learn what drugs are...
These aren't things to argue about, they are difficult truths, I am not a pedo because I feel we should not hate these peoples souls to eternity.
I am not a antisemite because I think we should act compassionately towards German solider boys. I do not deny the holocaust just because I want to give validity to someones protest vs the facts.
It doesn't' make the facts wrong just to allow them to protest...it makes a better world because they get heard, and feel like they got to explain, and they get to mingle with the people they thought they hate.
Are muslims we go to war with bad because they hate us? Or do they hate "us" because we go to war with them because we think they are bad?
There is no real defining side to choose, it is simply a difficult question. But certainly I should not be outcasted and branded a hateful person for pointing these things out. And doing so is the exact injustice towards fellow man we are wanting to avoid.
Martial arts and school have the same inherent issue, people that think heroism means hurting evil doers with Ju Jitsu. Ju Jitsu means gentle art...they are wrong too.
I agree with the teachings of true martial arts, in that to diffuse a situation through dialogue is the true "art".. My belief as well, however it is only possible in an ideal world. Can't beat the discipline and self confidence it breeds tho. As long as you have the right teachers.
I agree with the teachings of true martial arts, in that to diffuse a situation through dialogue is the true "art".. My belief as well, however it is only possible in an ideal world. Can't beat the discipline and self confidence it breeds tho. As long as you have the right teachers.
I think it is of the most profound papers in the history of man, with multidimensional implications. one of the simplest being we should often understand and observe the opposites of any subject.
Why do the kula collectibles circulate in a specific cycle? Why does the cycle traverse the ring of islands? And why are there not just one but two counterrotating cycles? The author for the first time (as far as the author is aware) provides a rigorous answer to these puzzles.
The proximate reasons why two kinds of collectibles circulated in opposite directions were transaction norms and religious taboos shared by the traders. The ultimate reasons (i.e. functional reasons why the institution evolved this way) may be explained as follows:
Collectibles often literally circulated in specific cycles that avoid sinks. This amortized the cost of the collectible across more trades. Why? The function of collectibles is to lower transaction costs such as non-coincidence of needs or events. A transaction network uses collectibles more efficiently if it increases the ratio of velocity to current value. Since velocity was very low and the value of transactions (trades, marriages, inheritences, etc.) could be high, this was a big problem in neolithic transaction networks. Some collectibles had a velocity of once per generation, i.e. they were just family heirlooms!
The network uses collectibles more efficiently with more members, so we'd expect the circulation to expand beyond bilateral cycles into cycles around the entire regular transaction chain
Now that we've explained why a collectible cycle would be expected to arise in the first place, on to the key puzzle: why to counter-rotating collectible cycles rather than a single cycle around the island chain?
We can model the kula ring abstractly as a cyclical island chain of N islands, such that each island trades only with its immediate neighbors. These islands vary in their volume of trade. This can be model in the limit as N-1 islands of normal trade and an Nth island that trades nothing (other than, possibly, collectibles).
For illustration, take N=5. We thus have island chain ABCDE, where boats can travel no farther than their neighbors and island C is self-sufficient (or just very small) and doesn't want to trade goods regularly, but AB, DE, and EA trade regularly. C breaks the collectible cycle (greatly decreasing the efficiecy of collectibles for the other islands) unless it acts as a conduit. Simply taking collectibles from D and shipping them to B (and pocketing some profit of course) to complete a one-collectible cycle requires acts of faith. With two opposite circulating collectibles, C simply engages in bilateral trades with both B and D to complete both cycles. Thus, two counter-rotating cycles allow for full circulation with minimal trust assumptions.
But there is more than just diffusing or fighting in a conflict situation in regards to the individual. Often the martial are itself and how it is taught implies conflict. I haven't "solved" this but I do seem to observe and acknowledge it where as many others don't.
Edit: The Kula ring is an example where two forces exist but we can't explain them until we understand the overall picture with no preconceived "economic" perspectives.
Actually I don't think he's trolling, I think it's for realz..
In that case could you, or some of the other believers here, please pray to the entity of your choice, for the protection of young impressionable minds everywhere from his drivel? Or as you say, "God help us!"
But there is more than just diffusing or fighting in a conflict situation in regards to the individual. Often the martial are itself and how it is taught implies conflict. I haven't "solved" this but I do seem to observe and acknowledge it where as many others don't.
I'm with ya on this darb, it is not simple, nor is there an obvious answer. The rest of the stuff you threw out there is very confusing for an old guy like me tho.
Going out for dinner now, will catch up with all you nice folks later... Please play nice..
I'm with ya on this darb, it is not simple, nor is there an obvious answer. The rest of the stuff you threw out there is very confusing for an old guy like me tho.
Its not much of an excuse because much of it or perhaps all was extracted from someone much older, based on knowledge even much older. But truthfully you and others do very well. I guess there is truly a thesis though.
It is my understanding that the violent and conflictory history and nature of mankind was essential the product of NOT having a universal currency for exchange (and the scarcity and inefficient markets that implies) . We are witnessing the truth of this in real time.
And so we can extract a subset of this for a community such as this and expect it to have the same favorable result Kula ring = balance (new economic energy source)
It was brought up before, the forum had a "points" system and this is exactly the point in the whitepaper that spawned a seemingly unstoppable technology (decentralized currency), because the paper outlines to specific reason such a system hasn't worked in the past:
No market for exchange, and no decentralized control (finite supply).
We might want to explore this option, it might be an interesting experiment, it might have a dramatically good effect on the community or even the game. Nonetheless this is my thesis, that digital assets or crypto coins, is like a new email technology that fixes broken communities that don't often otherwise realize they are even broken.
The difficulty lies for example in the reason for murder.
Murder is distinct from killing. They are not the same.
Or if possibly a pedo was abused themselves as a child. Or the drug pusher had drugs pushed on them, maybe before they had a chance to learn what drugs are...
These are explanations/causes, and do nothing to excuse the behaviour.
These aren't things to argue about, they are difficult truths, I am not a pedo because I feel we should not hate these peoples souls to eternity.
Urm . . . starting to wander . . . as always, your notion of "truth" is very loose and flexible.
I am not a antisemite because I think we should act compassionately towards German solider boys. I do not deny the holocaust just because I want to give validity to someones protest vs the facts.
It doesn't' make the facts wrong just to allow them to protest...it makes a better world because they get heard, and feel like they got to explain, and they get to mingle with the people they thought they hate.
Are muslims we go to war with bad because they hate us? Or do they hate "us" because we go to war with them because we think they are bad?
There is no real defining side to choose, it is simply a difficult question. But certainly I should not be outcasted and branded a hateful person for pointing these things out. And doing so is the exact injustice towards fellow man we are wanting to avoid.
You cannot say that it is reasonable to allow Holocaust deniers their "right to protest". That is like saying we should allow people to claim that water is not wet. Debate is a healthy thing in a democracy but, in order to debate, there must be a valid question. With respect to the Holocaust denier, there just isn't one.
As for your questions re: Muslims, perhaps you should look at the incident in Cold Lake this week for guidance.
You cannot say that it is reasonable to allow Holocaust deniers their "right to protest". That is like saying we should allow people to claim that water is not wet. Debate is a healthy thing in a democracy but, in order to debate, there must be a valid question. With respect to the Holocaust denier, there just isn't one.
As for your questions re: Muslims, perhaps you should look at the incident in Cold Lake this week for guidance.
Not supporting their right to disrupt and mount a protest...I am suggesting that integrating such peoples into the community would solve the issue and going to war with them creates the problem.
One of the hidden reasons for free speech is so that peoples like a denier doesn't feel suppressed and has a chance to bounce that view off others. When we segregate such people with hate, we denying them the chance at making the correct connections.
Ah cold lake, I think you mean that non Muslims helped clean up? That is what is needed, but our reaction towards the people that expressed hate, is something we should also proceed with caution about.
I have never said that deniers should be silenced . . . I like my racist idiots out in the open where I can see them.
Just meant that there is no "point" to debating them.
They have no interest in making the "right" connections, as that would negate their delusions.
That's all agreeable and makes sense.
I think though, that debate is the issue because it is rooted in conflict, and that the true tool needed is something we don't collectively posses. The ability and want to collectively resolve conflict especially in communiction and dialog with others.
We all seem to lack such a skill to some degree, and I think it comes from a collective religious beliefs that what is natural and inherent in man must remain so. It is not a scientific belief.
I think though, that debate is the issue because it is rooted in conflict, and that the true tool needed is something we don't collectively posses. The ability and want to collectively resolve conflict especially in communiction and dialog with others.
We all seem to lack such a skill to some degree, and I think it comes from a collective religious beliefs that what is natural and inherent in man must remain so. It is not a scientific belief.
But, in the case of "deniers" of fact, how can there be a resolution? One side is pathologically resistant to the notion that they could be wrong. So, as stated, dialogue is pointless. One would simply be accused of being "part of the conspiracy/problem".
Much like my point about Mike, you cannot help someone who rejects your efforts. All you can do is clean up the mess.
But, in the case of "deniers" of fact, how can there be a resolution? One side is pathologically resistant to the notion that they could be wrong. So, as stated, dialogue is pointless. One would simply be accused of being "part of the conspiracy/problem".
Yes but clearly it would make it worse to create a division from "deniers", because then their beliefs get worse and they begin to feel more justified.
So it is difficult but I tend to view those radicals across the world that want to kill me as lost and disconnected rather than evil. The cure being connection not segregation. And so who might be the connectors, I would suggest it must be the Wetts's of the world.
Much like my point about Mike, you cannot help someone who rejects your efforts. All you can do is clean up the mess.
Yes and there is an "ideal" and a reality, but the reality is that our individual inability to take responsibility for society has created all of this immorality and suffering.
I can only hate someone if I first see them as "different" and "separate" from me. And such a division is truly the first and only immoral act.
I have no doubt that future generations will look back on darbday/Startles vs PFC as the most epic forum trolling in the history of the world.
There is no way he is 4realz.
Exactly. He and fed are one and the same in regard to their purpose on here. Darb, perhaps you can espouse you theories on lack of breast feeding and the need for attention.
My name keeps being brought up by darb but I don't think that I have mentioned him once in his most recent incarnation prior to this thread.
Pretty sure that kiddy-diddlers, religious wing-nuts, rapists, thieves, and murderers ARE different from me.
Equally certain I am not immoral for feeling that way.
that is what this is all about. Not so much my bad explanation. But its difficult to admit. Gibran certainly agrees.
We spend time arguing about what the correct division and segregation should be, but we all come from the same source, and return to it. Few people disagree with this, evolution supports it.
Our inability to treat others as ourselves is both an inability to confront our own weaknesses and realize our true nature. It is not logically or morally justified.
No one is being asked to hug a rapist, but more so just just feel sad about their entire demise, rather than rejoice in it. And of course this is partly how you feel Milo I would suspect, I mean to be reasonable about it...but collectively we are terrible and the cause of our own suffering.
[FONT=garamond, times new roman] You are the way and the wayfarers.
And when one of you falls down he falls for those behind him, a caution against the stumbling stone.
Ay, and he falls for those ahead of him, who though faster and surer of foot, yet removed not the stumbling stone.
And this also, though the word lie heavy upon your hearts:
The murdered is not unaccountable for his own murder,
And the robbed is not blameless in being robbed. The righteous is not innocent of the deeds of the wicked,[/FONT]
Exactly. He and fed are one and the same in regard to their purpose on here. Darb, perhaps you can espouse you theories on lack of breast feeding and the need for attention.
My name keeps being brought up by darb but I don't think that I have mentioned him once in his most recent incarnation prior to this thread.
You have a history of calling me a racist fuckwad, and being mean to people in general. You function under the belief such violence and hate can possibly be justified. You are guilty exactly of what you accuse me of, and I was never what you call me in the first place.
You call for other's ostracization and segregation sometimes because you mistakenly believe they ostracize a certain group?
You want to dehumanize and look down on a person because they lack humanness?
You have a history of calling me a racist fuckwad,........ and I was never what you call me in the first place.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. If that duck presents holocaust denying videos as fact, no matter how many poorly worded posts about how much more morally in tune that duck is, it will not excuse him from being an anti-semetic duck.
edit btw this is the root cause of nazi Germany, that such a view is seen as valid and not destructive and harmful, the tragedy of the Holocaust was not a German weakness it was a human one we are all susceptible to:
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. If that duck presents holocaust denying videos as fact, no matter how many poorly worded posts about how much more morally in tune that duck is, it will not excuse him from being an anti-semetic duck.
no this is what we want to avoid, that I make a point that segregating others is wrong and in return I am label an inferior citizen and segregated myself.
We want to avoid hating and segregating others, not be the haters and segregators.
To be clear I am innocent to those terrible and hateful accusations. And so we see the real issue. And like we have discussed and pointed out, hate violence and segregation are not the answer to such ignorance anyways. It is illogical and hypocritical of you to suggest it so.
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I teach that, basically what bruce lee pointed to through krishnamurti. My art would be called Ju Jitsu, and of the brazilian kind, but my instructor left the brazillian roots (as many do), and I have left the "Ju Jitsu" distinction somewhat.
Lee talked about the root of all martial arts, and so truthfully to be sincere to "martial art", one must seek to understand what unites each of these branches sort of like the single ancient martial art.
Such a path of inquiry becomes a lesson and philosophy in itself and that points to the true "martial art" or path of self discovery. I'm finished with belts essentialy but a higher level black belt gave me permision to teach a long time ago. I had my 2nd of 5 belts (blue) around when I blew my knee, spent 7 or so years off the mats or competing but often help grow the dojo regardless. I'm starting to be able to train again with out issues from the knee.
Martial arts and school have the same inherent issue, people that think heroism means hurting evil doers with Ju Jitsu. Ju Jitsu means gentle art...they are wrong too.
Which category do you fit into?
Or if possibly a pedo was abused themselves as a child. Or the drug pusher had drugs pushed on them, maybe before they had a chance to learn what drugs are...
These aren't things to argue about, they are difficult truths, I am not a pedo because I feel we should not hate these peoples souls to eternity.
I am not a antisemite because I think we should act compassionately towards German solider boys. I do not deny the holocaust just because I want to give validity to someones protest vs the facts.
It doesn't' make the facts wrong just to allow them to protest...it makes a better world because they get heard, and feel like they got to explain, and they get to mingle with the people they thought they hate.
Are muslims we go to war with bad because they hate us? Or do they hate "us" because we go to war with them because we think they are bad?
There is no real defining side to choose, it is simply a difficult question. But certainly I should not be outcasted and branded a hateful person for pointing these things out. And doing so is the exact injustice towards fellow man we are wanting to avoid.
I agree with the teachings of true martial arts, in that to diffuse a situation through dialogue is the true "art".. My belief as well, however it is only possible in an ideal world. Can't beat the discipline and self confidence it breeds tho. As long as you have the right teachers.
There is no way he is 4realz.
I think it is of the most profound papers in the history of man, with multidimensional implications. one of the simplest being we should often understand and observe the opposites of any subject.
But there is more than just diffusing or fighting in a conflict situation in regards to the individual. Often the martial are itself and how it is taught implies conflict. I haven't "solved" this but I do seem to observe and acknowledge it where as many others don't.
Edit: The Kula ring is an example where two forces exist but we can't explain them until we understand the overall picture with no preconceived "economic" perspectives.
Hardly the epic in terms of world forums but pretty good for here.. Actually I don't think he's trolling, I think it's for realz..
In fairness, the quoted post represented a 978% improvement.
See bolded. Sorry Kristy.
In that case could you, or some of the other believers here, please pray to the entity of your choice, for the protection of young impressionable minds everywhere from his drivel? Or as you say, "God help us!"
I think it's worth a shot.
Going out for dinner now, will catch up with all you nice folks later... Please play nice..
Last I heard he was running for mayor of Sarnia...or something similar.
I could be wrong, but didn't he play a royal? If he is who I think he is...the mining part I buy, the martial arts teaching stuff...not so much.
Wait! Wat? Haddon?
Pretty sure you're wrong...for once.
It is my understanding that the violent and conflictory history and nature of mankind was essential the product of NOT having a universal currency for exchange (and the scarcity and inefficient markets that implies) . We are witnessing the truth of this in real time.
And so we can extract a subset of this for a community such as this and expect it to have the same favorable result Kula ring = balance (new economic energy source)
It was brought up before, the forum had a "points" system and this is exactly the point in the whitepaper that spawned a seemingly unstoppable technology (decentralized currency), because the paper outlines to specific reason such a system hasn't worked in the past:
No market for exchange, and no decentralized control (finite supply).
We might want to explore this option, it might be an interesting experiment, it might have a dramatically good effect on the community or even the game. Nonetheless this is my thesis, that digital assets or crypto coins, is like a new email technology that fixes broken communities that don't often otherwise realize they are even broken.
You cannot say that it is reasonable to allow Holocaust deniers their "right to protest". That is like saying we should allow people to claim that water is not wet. Debate is a healthy thing in a democracy but, in order to debate, there must be a valid question. With respect to the Holocaust denier, there just isn't one.
As for your questions re: Muslims, perhaps you should look at the incident in Cold Lake this week for guidance.
Don't. Just don't.
One of the hidden reasons for free speech is so that peoples like a denier doesn't feel suppressed and has a chance to bounce that view off others. When we segregate such people with hate, we denying them the chance at making the correct connections.
Ah cold lake, I think you mean that non Muslims helped clean up? That is what is needed, but our reaction towards the people that expressed hate, is something we should also proceed with caution about.
Just meant that there is no "point" to debating them.
They have no interest in making the "right" connections, as that would negate their delusions.
I think though, that debate is the issue because it is rooted in conflict, and that the true tool needed is something we don't collectively posses. The ability and want to collectively resolve conflict especially in communiction and dialog with others.
We all seem to lack such a skill to some degree, and I think it comes from a collective religious beliefs that what is natural and inherent in man must remain so. It is not a scientific belief.
But, in the case of "deniers" of fact, how can there be a resolution? One side is pathologically resistant to the notion that they could be wrong. So, as stated, dialogue is pointless. One would simply be accused of being "part of the conspiracy/problem".
Much like my point about Mike, you cannot help someone who rejects your efforts. All you can do is clean up the mess.
So it is difficult but I tend to view those radicals across the world that want to kill me as lost and disconnected rather than evil. The cure being connection not segregation. And so who might be the connectors, I would suggest it must be the Wetts's of the world.
Yes and there is an "ideal" and a reality, but the reality is that our individual inability to take responsibility for society has created all of this immorality and suffering.
I can only hate someone if I first see them as "different" and "separate" from me. And such a division is truly the first and only immoral act.
Pretty sure that kiddy-diddlers, religious wing-nuts, rapists, thieves, and murderers ARE different from me.
Equally certain I am not immoral for feeling that way.
Exactly. He and fed are one and the same in regard to their purpose on here. Darb, perhaps you can espouse you theories on lack of breast feeding and the need for attention.
My name keeps being brought up by darb but I don't think that I have mentioned him once in his most recent incarnation prior to this thread.
I want to hear more fed greatest hits.
Just what is his deal? What started the whole "Throwing it all away and going pro in Vancouver" thing?
Can we even confirm he went to Vancouver?
We spend time arguing about what the correct division and segregation should be, but we all come from the same source, and return to it. Few people disagree with this, evolution supports it.
Our inability to treat others as ourselves is both an inability to confront our own weaknesses and realize our true nature. It is not logically or morally justified.
No one is being asked to hug a rapist, but more so just just feel sad about their entire demise, rather than rejoice in it. And of course this is partly how you feel Milo I would suspect, I mean to be reasonable about it...but collectively we are terrible and the cause of our own suffering.
You call for other's ostracization and segregation sometimes because you mistakenly believe they ostracize a certain group?
You want to dehumanize and look down on a person because they lack humanness?
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. If that duck presents holocaust denying videos as fact, no matter how many poorly worded posts about how much more morally in tune that duck is, it will not excuse him from being an anti-semetic duck.
no this is what we want to avoid, that I make a point that segregating others is wrong and in return I am label an inferior citizen and segregated myself.
We want to avoid hating and segregating others, not be the haters and segregators.
To be clear I am innocent to those terrible and hateful accusations. And so we see the real issue. And like we have discussed and pointed out, hate violence and segregation are not the answer to such ignorance anyways. It is illogical and hypocritical of you to suggest it so.