I busted out of 2500 in 22nd place it payed 7200 i felt ripped off considering last year i placed 35th and got 8900. But there were only 472 players this year it was down over a 100 players, wow i wonder why? Maybe people had enough? Its would be a shame if attendance drops, I was shocked that it dropped that much. It will be intresting to see if the 5k attendance will go up or drop also
I busted out of 2500 in 22nd place it payed 7200 i felt ripped off considering last year i placed 35th and got 8900. But there were only 472 players this year it was down over a 100 players, wow i wonder why? Maybe people had enough? Its would be a shame if attendance drops, I was shocked that it dropped that much. It will be intresting to see if the 5k attendance will go up or drop also
But yet first is roughly the same with an alleged 20% drop?
But ahh yes, it's all about the headlines. Sold out 1k- but who cares if the scalpers helped us get there and raped players...
300k first - don't worry about the payout structure from 2nd up...
I have to say I always expect some criticism of every event, but I see almost everyone claiming FPC to be worst and that's rare
When someone buys into tournament, automatically assign them table and seat (this will stop scalping).
Pay Top 10% like most tournaments instead of Top 8%.
Start 10 handed but move to 9 handed tables (like most tournaments).
No need to have dealers wash and change decks every 30mins (this just slows things down).
Playing 3 hours of poker before you have a break is ridiculous.
They could have easily sat 500 players for the super satellites, but chose to only sit 400 (thus more scalping of the sold out $275 satellite).
The floor needs to stop talking down to us players like we are 4 years old when we ask questions (most poker players that are asking the questions have played all over the world, so the floor does not need to give a look like the player asking is an idiot).
When someone asks a floor person with 2 tables left, why are they so far apart from each other? It is hard to rail both tables, they answer that is not our concern. Umm us players and people railing are paying your salary.
In general Fallsview needs to start listening to the players which they have proven over the years they just don't care about the players.
The last thing Fallsview should want is the top Canadian women player saying they are not going to play the $5k and won't be back due to the floor attitude and power tripping security.
So here are my thoughts on the continuing laughable nature of Fallsview, with semi trip-report points thrown in.
For starters, about me: I play every so often, not as much as I'd like but life gets in the way. I could be a much better player if I dedicated my time towards improvement, but if I don't have time to play, I don't have time to study either. I can hold my own at the 2-5 level, but have some leaks, especially playing long sessions when my A game goes downhill, but most of you know that story: "I haven't played in three months, I don't know when I will play again, so what if it's five in the morning and I'm not as good shorthanded when my A game has deserted me..."
So I figure to beat the lines and show up on a Saturday in early December around noon-one p.m. I'm standing at the brush for 2-3 minutes (minimum) by myself while the one floor person is doing the rounds of the tables. I called in and my name is first on the list of 10-15 names. He comes back to the brush, and before even talking to me he looks way the hell down the casino and sees a regular player walking up. (I know this because he was staring for so long I turned around to see what he was looking at, and why he wasn't addressing the person standing right in front of him. The only person within 100 feet. Me.) He waits for her to arrive, puts her name first on the list (knowing someone is racking up behind him), then chats with her while I'm standing there like an idiot. She leaves to get chips, he takes my name and now I'm second on the list. He seats her as soon as she comes back with chips, and I wait over thirty minutes like a sucker.
So on to this past weekend. I go because the action is bound to be good on tournament weekend. I play from about 4 p.m. to 4 a.m. Recognize a bunch of regulars even though I've been there only once in two years. Dealers were all fast and competent save one who was slow, deliberate and quiet. I asked him one time only if the action was to me, and what I had to do. He just looked at me... (Seat 9 or 10 bet, I'm seat 2 and couldn't see the amount.) A couple of competent floor guys are still working there. Still...
My table had empty seats for over an hour at one stretch. No list at eleven p.m. on a Saturday? I don't care how "busy" it is. If one guy's job is simply to take names down, cross names off, and call names out, it makes no difference how many people are waiting, it does not impair his ability to see the flashing screen and call out a name. The table behind mine was being used for tourney satellites. It took forever for them to start the thing(s). One player said his buddy was coming, but would take at least a half hour to go to the cage and get his voucher from the appropriate cashier. This proved to be true. Great organization.
Chris Moneymaker played one of these $700 satellites, and the first thing he said on getting to the table was "$300 last longer, who's in?". I don't think anyone took him up on it. He was obviously in town for a while and staying upstairs, because he was wearing a WPT t-shirt, sweatpants and sneakers. Still, he was down-to-earth and talked to whoever approached him when he wasn't seated and playing. One guy at my table even asked for his autograph and he obliged right away. The guy was surprised he wasn't charged(!) to which I told him it was ludicrous for a poker player to charge for an autograph, especially a non-Hellmuth type like Moneymaker. While I didn't go talk to him, the buzz in the room was positive. I think I also saw Gavin Smith at Canyon Creek when I went to eat at the bar, which makes sense as he did very well here last year.
You want more managerial stupidity? Sure. Bad beat goes off at the next table (QQ vs. KK, A-high flush on flop, turn A, river A. Too bad for the guy who flopped the flush!). Anyway, you know it will take about 1.5 hours for everyone to get paid, which is what happened. You know someone will refuse to give a share to the person who went to the bathroom before the hand started. Standard. But cutting a $10k cheque to one of the "table" players whose share is $1500? Now you're asking for trouble. They were lucky it was handed to a regular who immediately stood up and started laughing, and handed the cheque back. (For those who don't know, the "loser" of the bad beat hand gets 50% of the jackpot, the "winner" of the hand gets 25%, and the rest of the table splits 25%. So in this case the jackpot was $42k, and if we assume 9 people at the table (since we know one for sure wasn't there) then that means $1500 apiece, not $10k for one guy who wasn't even the jackpot winner. Nice accounting.
Management also said they would not tell you at the tourney cage how many entrants had already signed up. So you have no idea what the prize pool is, which might influence your decision to sign up for the event. Fallsview logic again.
So, to summarize: I don't mind the room itself or the scenery. Restaurant options are okay. Dealers are for the most part professional. Management stinks. Players rank only slightly above the guy with no money sleeping at the slot machine in the corner. The women (or man, as there was on Saturday) waiting at the rail for their partners get more respect as they don't complain. Drink service is laughable. Free pointer: faster service equals more tips, geniuses. One waitress appeared every hour, then had the nerve to say "I can't wait" as the person in the next seat was coming back to the table, then reached in their pocket for money. She left the drink and came back later for payment as if she was being inconvenienced.
If I hadn't lost 1.5 buyins, maybe I'd be in a better mood today. Maybe it's just the Leafs. Still, while the true fish were scarce, there were enough mistakes made at the table for it to be a profitable outing for those with patience. I could give examples, but I've wasted enough of your time already.
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But yet first is roughly the same with an alleged 20% drop?
But ahh yes, it's all about the headlines. Sold out 1k- but who cares if the scalpers helped us get there and raped players...
300k first - don't worry about the payout structure from 2nd up...
I have to say I always expect some criticism of every event, but I see almost everyone claiming FPC to be worst and that's rare
When someone buys into tournament, automatically assign them table and seat (this will stop scalping).
Pay Top 10% like most tournaments instead of Top 8%.
Start 10 handed but move to 9 handed tables (like most tournaments).
No need to have dealers wash and change decks every 30mins (this just slows things down).
Playing 3 hours of poker before you have a break is ridiculous.
They could have easily sat 500 players for the super satellites, but chose to only sit 400 (thus more scalping of the sold out $275 satellite).
The floor needs to stop talking down to us players like we are 4 years old when we ask questions (most poker players that are asking the questions have played all over the world, so the floor does not need to give a look like the player asking is an idiot).
When someone asks a floor person with 2 tables left, why are they so far apart from each other? It is hard to rail both tables, they answer that is not our concern. Umm us players and people railing are paying your salary.
In general Fallsview needs to start listening to the players which they have proven over the years they just don't care about the players.
The last thing Fallsview should want is the top Canadian women player saying they are not going to play the $5k and won't be back due to the floor attitude and power tripping security.
Sounds like they took a page out of MLSE customer relations handbook.
Chapter 1, page 1
FUCK'EM...THEY STILL COME!
Its hard to get it back when it all just STOPS, not slowly, suddenly!!
So here are my thoughts on the continuing laughable nature of Fallsview, with semi trip-report points thrown in.
For starters, about me: I play every so often, not as much as I'd like but life gets in the way. I could be a much better player if I dedicated my time towards improvement, but if I don't have time to play, I don't have time to study either. I can hold my own at the 2-5 level, but have some leaks, especially playing long sessions when my A game goes downhill, but most of you know that story: "I haven't played in three months, I don't know when I will play again, so what if it's five in the morning and I'm not as good shorthanded when my A game has deserted me..."
So I figure to beat the lines and show up on a Saturday in early December around noon-one p.m. I'm standing at the brush for 2-3 minutes (minimum) by myself while the one floor person is doing the rounds of the tables. I called in and my name is first on the list of 10-15 names. He comes back to the brush, and before even talking to me he looks way the hell down the casino and sees a regular player walking up. (I know this because he was staring for so long I turned around to see what he was looking at, and why he wasn't addressing the person standing right in front of him. The only person within 100 feet. Me.) He waits for her to arrive, puts her name first on the list (knowing someone is racking up behind him), then chats with her while I'm standing there like an idiot. She leaves to get chips, he takes my name and now I'm second on the list. He seats her as soon as she comes back with chips, and I wait over thirty minutes like a sucker.
So on to this past weekend. I go because the action is bound to be good on tournament weekend. I play from about 4 p.m. to 4 a.m. Recognize a bunch of regulars even though I've been there only once in two years. Dealers were all fast and competent save one who was slow, deliberate and quiet. I asked him one time only if the action was to me, and what I had to do. He just looked at me... (Seat 9 or 10 bet, I'm seat 2 and couldn't see the amount.) A couple of competent floor guys are still working there. Still...
My table had empty seats for over an hour at one stretch. No list at eleven p.m. on a Saturday? I don't care how "busy" it is. If one guy's job is simply to take names down, cross names off, and call names out, it makes no difference how many people are waiting, it does not impair his ability to see the flashing screen and call out a name. The table behind mine was being used for tourney satellites. It took forever for them to start the thing(s). One player said his buddy was coming, but would take at least a half hour to go to the cage and get his voucher from the appropriate cashier. This proved to be true. Great organization.
Chris Moneymaker played one of these $700 satellites, and the first thing he said on getting to the table was "$300 last longer, who's in?". I don't think anyone took him up on it. He was obviously in town for a while and staying upstairs, because he was wearing a WPT t-shirt, sweatpants and sneakers. Still, he was down-to-earth and talked to whoever approached him when he wasn't seated and playing. One guy at my table even asked for his autograph and he obliged right away. The guy was surprised he wasn't charged(!) to which I told him it was ludicrous for a poker player to charge for an autograph, especially a non-Hellmuth type like Moneymaker. While I didn't go talk to him, the buzz in the room was positive. I think I also saw Gavin Smith at Canyon Creek when I went to eat at the bar, which makes sense as he did very well here last year.
You want more managerial stupidity? Sure. Bad beat goes off at the next table (QQ vs. KK, A-high flush on flop, turn A, river A. Too bad for the guy who flopped the flush!). Anyway, you know it will take about 1.5 hours for everyone to get paid, which is what happened. You know someone will refuse to give a share to the person who went to the bathroom before the hand started. Standard. But cutting a $10k cheque to one of the "table" players whose share is $1500? Now you're asking for trouble. They were lucky it was handed to a regular who immediately stood up and started laughing, and handed the cheque back. (For those who don't know, the "loser" of the bad beat hand gets 50% of the jackpot, the "winner" of the hand gets 25%, and the rest of the table splits 25%. So in this case the jackpot was $42k, and if we assume 9 people at the table (since we know one for sure wasn't there) then that means $1500 apiece, not $10k for one guy who wasn't even the jackpot winner. Nice accounting.
Management also said they would not tell you at the tourney cage how many entrants had already signed up. So you have no idea what the prize pool is, which might influence your decision to sign up for the event. Fallsview logic again.
So, to summarize: I don't mind the room itself or the scenery. Restaurant options are okay. Dealers are for the most part professional. Management stinks. Players rank only slightly above the guy with no money sleeping at the slot machine in the corner. The women (or man, as there was on Saturday) waiting at the rail for their partners get more respect as they don't complain. Drink service is laughable. Free pointer: faster service equals more tips, geniuses. One waitress appeared every hour, then had the nerve to say "I can't wait" as the person in the next seat was coming back to the table, then reached in their pocket for money. She left the drink and came back later for payment as if she was being inconvenienced.
If I hadn't lost 1.5 buyins, maybe I'd be in a better mood today. Maybe it's just the Leafs. Still, while the true fish were scarce, there were enough mistakes made at the table for it to be a profitable outing for those with patience. I could give examples, but I've wasted enough of your time already.
See you down the road,
Matt