Hand possibilities........ % ............ odds
You will hold a Pair before the Flop (5.88%) or (16 to 1)
You will hold suited cards before the Flop (23.53%) or (3.25 to 1)
You will hold 2 Kings or 2 Aces before the Flop (0.90%) or (110 to 1)
You will hold Ace-King before the Flop (1.21%) or (81.9 to 1)
You will hold at least1 Ace before the Flop (14.93%) or (5.70 to 1)
If you have four parts of a Flush after
the Flop, you will make it (34.97%) or (1.86 to 1)
If you have four parts of an Open-end
Straight-Flush after the Flop, you will
make a Straight-Flush (8.42%) or (10.9 to 1)
If you have four parts of an Open-end
Straight Flush after the Flop, you will
make at least a Straight (54.12%) or (0.85 to 1)
If you have Two-Pair after the Flop,
you will make a Full House or better (16.74%) or (4.97 to 1)
If you have Three-of-a-kind after the
Flop, you will make a Full House or
better (33.40%) or (1.99 to 1)
If you have a Pair after the Flop at
least one more of that kind will turn up
(on the last two cards) (8.42%) or (10.9 to 1)
If you hold a Pair, at least one more
of that kind will Flop (11.76%) or (7.51 to 1)
If you hold no Pair, you will pair at
least one of your cards on the Flop (32.43%) or (2.08 to 1)
If you hold two suited cards, two or more
of that suit will Flop (11.79%) or (7.48 to 1)
ok...hopefully that answers some of the questions. That outline a few of the different scenarios that i saw mentioned in regards to what are the odds of hitting etc.
If you pass, go ahead and fill the world with your seedlings.
I determine if you pass. So far we have more fails than I initially anticipated.
Take that statement and shove it straight up your ass.
I question your "50/50 AA vs 66" comment ( I agree with the other statements) and you come back with absolutely ARROGANT replies like the one I just quoted?
ok...hopefully that answers some of the questions. That outline a few of the different scenarios that i saw mentioned in regards to what are the odds of hitting etc.
Great post OPRC, I've never seen it summed up that well. Good factual information!
This has to be one of the most ridiculously hilarious conversations I've ever seen. I mean, the drama, the action, the comedy, it has everything!
I think it can all be summed up very easily though: please, if there is a god, deity, higher being or something up in the cosmos that controls things, do not, for all that is good, right and just in the world, let Wetts reproduce. I just don't think the world could handle it. Planes would fall from the sky, massive networks would explode, all humanity would simply cease to exist. All in all, it would be bad.
This has to be one of the most ridiculously hilarious conversations I've ever seen. I mean, the drama, the action, the comedy, it has everything!
I think it can all be summed up very easily though: please, if there is a god, deity, higher being or something up in the cosmos that controls things, do not, for all that is good, right and just in the world, let Wetts reproduce. I just don't think the world could handle it. Planes would fall from the sky, massive networks would explode, all humanity would simply cease to exist. All in all, it would be bad.
Take that statement and shove it straight up your ass.
I question your "50/50 AA vs 66" comment ( I agree with the other statements) and you come back with absolutely ARROGANT replies like the one I just quoted?
Reply with something meaningful or GTFO.
OK I'll explain with better facts.
Lets say youre in a tournament, and you get 1000 chips to start:
well wetts with an example such as the one you just gave, if i hold pkt 6's and the board hits like that so i am now holding an under pair, and the guy firing i know has pkt A's, unless i get a tip that 2 other players folded the other 2 aces, then regardless of the "pot odds", i am the serioius underdog and i WOULD NOT make the call, save my chips, and pick my hand to get back in the game on another hand.
Folding what you KNOW is the worst hand, against one you know will not back down, as he has A's, is not a foolish move, but a smart one.
well wetts with an example such as the one you just gave, if i hold pkt 6's and the board hits like that so i am now holding an under pair, and the guy firing i know has pkt A's, unless i get a tip that 2 other players folded the other 2 aces, then regardless of the "pot odds", i am the serioius underdog and i WOULD NOT make the call, save my chips, and pick my hand to get back in the game on another hand.
Folding what you KNOW is the worst hand, against one you know will not back down, as he has A's, is not a foolish move, but a smart one.
Wetts1012 for cpf prez '16
you're just so bloody brilliant.
I came, like three times.
You know I had no idea what Wetts was made of until the past couple of days in this thread.. Absolutely astounding how clearly he has explained this, just don't understand how some of you can not see it so clearly. Even I, who did not go to UofW, understand it now. Kinda reminds me of the 5Aces thread on the old Pokerroom forums.... If any of you don't know of that epic thread let me know and I'll point you to it.
Graham if it is possible I would like to bequeath my Mod duties to Wetts for a week as he has certainly earned it. Sort of as an honour....
I think the comedy from all this came about from the way you worded it to start wetts. You're talking about % to improve, not % to win. When people talk about odds in poker, it's not about improving but winning. So while you're right, at least for the topic you think you're talking about, you're wrong about the topic you started talking about. Make sense?
Ok now we're getting somewhere. At least one of the non believers is starting to come around to your way of thinking Wetts.... Eventually all will bow to your 6th level thinking and the world will be right again....
Whoa whoa whoa comp, let's not get crazy here. I'm not "coming around" to his thinking, just trying to put a little thought into his thoughts as they were just coming out as so many random words before.
Ok now we're getting somewhere. At least one of the non believers is starting to come around to your way of thinking Wetts.... Eventually all will bow to your 6th level thinking and the world will be right again....
Ok now we're getting somewhere. At least one of the non believers is starting to come around to your way of thinking Wetts.... Eventually all will bow to your 6th level thinking and the world will be right again....
Comments
You will hold a Pair before the Flop (5.88%) or (16 to 1)
You will hold suited cards before the Flop (23.53%) or (3.25 to 1)
You will hold 2 Kings or 2 Aces before the Flop (0.90%) or (110 to 1)
You will hold Ace-King before the Flop (1.21%) or (81.9 to 1)
You will hold at least 1 Ace before the Flop (14.93%) or (5.70 to 1)
If you have four parts of a Flush after
the Flop, you will make it (34.97%) or (1.86 to 1)
If you have four parts of an Open-end
Straight-Flush after the Flop, you will
make a Straight-Flush (8.42%) or (10.9 to 1)
If you have four parts of an Open-end
Straight Flush after the Flop, you will
make at least a Straight (54.12%) or (0.85 to 1)
If you have Two-Pair after the Flop,
you will make a Full House or better (16.74%) or (4.97 to 1)
If you have Three-of-a-kind after the
Flop, you will make a Full House or
better (33.40%) or (1.99 to 1)
If you have a Pair after the Flop at
least one more of that kind will turn up
(on the last two cards) (8.42%) or (10.9 to 1)
If you hold a Pair, at least one more
of that kind will Flop (11.76%) or (7.51 to 1)
If you hold no Pair, you will pair at
least one of your cards on the Flop (32.43%) or (2.08 to 1)
If you hold two suited cards, two or more
of that suit will Flop (11.79%) or (7.48 to 1)
ok...hopefully that answers some of the questions. That outline a few of the different scenarios that i saw mentioned in regards to what are the odds of hitting etc.
You still haven't answered the statistics of hitting a set.
AA doesn't NEED to hit a set to win.
66 Does.
I KNOW that the odds of hitting a set is NOT 50/50. There are FAR more cards left in the deck that DON'T help than do.
This thread should be the new abortion test.
If you pass, go ahead and fill the world with your seedlings.
I determine if you pass. So far we have more fails than I initially anticipated.
It's about 50/50.
Agreed.
Mr. Wetts, I don't see any reason for you being on your throne... your shit stinks, you can be wrong, and the sun does not revolve around you.
Now explain how it is "50/50" to hit a set. Please.
Take that statement and shove it straight up your ass.
I question your "50/50 AA vs 66" comment ( I agree with the other statements) and you come back with absolutely ARROGANT replies like the one I just quoted?
Reply with something meaningful or GTFO.
Great post OPRC, I've never seen it summed up that well. Good factual information!
you're just so bloody brilliant.
I came, like three times.
Too busy folding to d/c's on Stars. Fuck the interweb.
Stop wasting time playing poker!:wav:
This has to be one of the most ridiculously hilarious conversations I've ever seen. I mean, the drama, the action, the comedy, it has everything!
I think it can all be summed up very easily though: please, if there is a god, deity, higher being or something up in the cosmos that controls things, do not, for all that is good, right and just in the world, let Wetts reproduce. I just don't think the world could handle it. Planes would fall from the sky, massive networks would explode, all humanity would simply cease to exist. All in all, it would be bad.
*taking off tinfoil hat and going to bed*
ship this baby to the hall when its run its course
Not sure about this one.
Either pass for epic tier 2 level.
Or gigantic fail. Lets play this one out....
OK I'll explain with better facts.
Lets say youre in a tournament, and you get 1000 chips to start:
7 greens (100*7=700)
8 reds (25*8=200)
20 whites (20*5= 100)
First hand, you are in the BB with 66. Blinds are 10/20.
There are 5 limpers in front of you, so you check. (now 24 chips in the pot - 24 whites).
The flop comes 8 / 10 / K and UTG bets 200 (2 greens) and everyone folds to you. Whats your play?
Lets assume You know he has AA.
You will hit your set roughly 10% of the time on the turn or river, or 9/1 against.
However it is costing you 2 greens to win 26 (2 greens and 24 whites) or roughly 13/1.
13/1 >>>>>>9/1 so you must call.
Not sure how much longer I can maintain the education here. And I'm not being arrogant I am just solid at the maths.
Ghost Text (definately) FTW.
Folding what you KNOW is the worst hand, against one you know will not back down, as he has A's, is not a foolish move, but a smart one.
At least you agree with my analysis. You pass.
Great response! Ghost Text!
ABORT ! ABORT !
Graham if it is possible I would like to bequeath my Mod duties to Wetts for a week as he has certainly earned it. Sort of as an honour....
Wait...you ALL want to be like HIM??
That's fraking scary, man.
I apologize.
Sometimes my immaculate math skills outweigh my ability to convey proper notions of odds and outs.
BTW if anyone is interested I have started a small business of pay-by-the-hour poker math tutoring.
I will work on this.
For the love of god, let's hope.
Ok even I can agree that 66 has more OUTS than AA. Still doesn't mean it is 50/50 to win.:D
Excellent. Progress.
If 66 has more outs than it is definately ahead!
CPFer for WSOP champ '16.
math is idiotic anyways...I play on feel just like Barry G :P