I've had it with online poker
I don't think I can take the BS that's called online poker any longer.
I'm not going to use the "R" word but only say that something isn't right there. I must admit that my only experience online is with Pokerstars - Pokerfarce - Riverstars, or whatever you want to call it, and I'm making the assumption that they're all equally suspicious.
The last straw came last night during a tourney. About halfway through it, I got pocket kings, and went all-in. Amazingly, I was called by a J-6 os. I could only chucke when the other player got two 6's to win with 3 of a kind because very bad beats are amazingly common at Pokerstars. That really knocked my stack down, but I thought things were looking up when 3 hands later I got KK in the hole again. Once again, I tried all-in and guess what happened? A different player called me with Q-6 os. You know what's coming, right? Yep, you guessed it. Again my pocket queens get beat by three 6's.
I don't care what anybody says about seeing so many more hands playing online versus live play that you're going to see a lot more strange hands and experience more bad beats. I'm not at all convinced that that's the case. Something is definitely wrong with online poker and I'm finished with it. At least I'm quitting while I'm ahead.
I'm not going to use the "R" word but only say that something isn't right there. I must admit that my only experience online is with Pokerstars - Pokerfarce - Riverstars, or whatever you want to call it, and I'm making the assumption that they're all equally suspicious.
The last straw came last night during a tourney. About halfway through it, I got pocket kings, and went all-in. Amazingly, I was called by a J-6 os. I could only chucke when the other player got two 6's to win with 3 of a kind because very bad beats are amazingly common at Pokerstars. That really knocked my stack down, but I thought things were looking up when 3 hands later I got KK in the hole again. Once again, I tried all-in and guess what happened? A different player called me with Q-6 os. You know what's coming, right? Yep, you guessed it. Again my pocket queens get beat by three 6's.
I don't care what anybody says about seeing so many more hands playing online versus live play that you're going to see a lot more strange hands and experience more bad beats. I'm not at all convinced that that's the case. Something is definitely wrong with online poker and I'm finished with it. At least I'm quitting while I'm ahead.
Comments
The main thing I take from these "rants" and I hear them from people I coach on a regular basis is that they think certain hands should win and everyone is playing perfect poker.
People don't play perfect poker for the most part and like always there is a winner and a loser. You can't do anything about the outcomes only make sure you bankroll yourself to survive the envitable 95/5 favorites when the 5% comes through.
Play within your bankroll and you will be fine. You should be surprised that many of the top online players are not that good but they have proper bankrolls to play certain limits and they play tons of volume.
When you break down poker there are only so many different ways to play the same hand and there are only so many decisions you can make based on factors. The good players are able to play multiple tournaments and eventually they hit one.
Go take a look at the pocket 5's online ranking for CDN players. See the top three. Then look at the volume they play and the amount of cashes they have. You will see most barely make the money and then they hit a big score. But what you don't see is the amount of volume they put in.
Drop down to where you have sufficient buy ins and work at your game. Suckouts/bad beats will always happen, but you need to stay in the game if you want to be successful.
Cheers
I understand what you're saying, and it's not a matter of poor BR management, poor playing, or never expecting a donkey to win. I just don't trust it or enjoy playing it anymore.
(compuease seems to have a "foil hat" fetish, so I'll just ignore his childish comment.)
Don't turn my words around around to suit you're feeble post, idiot!
Yes, I suppose that "10 bazillion people" have called online poker a rigged, and every time they do, some a**hole like you comes along and only defends it by insulting those who take the time to put up hand histories and explain the suspicious situations. Not once have I seen the insult hurlers actually put up a decent argument to defend online poker. They only say, "Oh, these guys are making a fortune, so they'd never do anything that isn't above board."
So compuease, call me every name in the book and be as obnoxious as you want to be, but nothing is going to change my mind, stop me from warning others to stay away from online poker, or get me back to an online poker site ever again.
Yeah i tried not to state the obvious in the opening line of my post. Trying to be nice to all poker players this year as my new years resolution. LOL
I played the 18k gtd a few night ago..3rd hand I get KK all-in vs. AKo and he turns a straight, and got set over set a few times in my last few sessions of 6-max cash, pushed AA into KK and yeah it sucks but that's poker in general. Just play the hand as profitable as you can, that's what poker is about..problem is being able to do that. Live or online. If you can't accept variance..then you shouldn't play for money.
It's not a matter of accepting variance.
It's not a matter of poor BR management.
It's not a matter playing poorly.
It's not a matter of not handling bad beats well.
IT"S A MATTER OF TRUST, and don't have any left for online poker.
No, you do you're name calling through passive aggressive means, and that's even worse.
No, Kristy doesn't have a rival because I won't be back.
As long as you play well and get it in good the rewards will come....
Passive aggressive? Can I borrow that term? Some I play against will appreciate it....
And good night, I won't be responding in this thread again... Take it offine (PM) if you want to continue the insults... The intelligent around here will appreciate it...
Wat?
They probably pegged you for a shite player (like me) and didn't believe your bets to be solid.....or they were just donk's that lucked out.....hey, I cracked some kings on Stars yesterday
Great LOL before nap time.
http://www.pokerforum.ca/f6/hi-everyone-need-help-my-game-18538/
Either way, good luck with life and may the river always be kind (unless you don't deserve it)
http://www.pokerforum.ca/f8/tiger-gaming-bad-beat-promo-wtf-18807/#post181352
ts; dr
you da fish
Just something to think about.
Oh, and yes...I too have gone off half cocked about how i thought online poker was rigged before too after a bad beat, but...after i analyzed my hand, the plays i made that led up to that bad beat...i see a million different ways i could have played that hand, that could have produced a slightly different end result(mainly me being able to stay in the tourney or game with chips left in my stack to carry on).
Usually the answer is much more simple, the opponent sucks, or the OP/bad beat whiner sucks for a variety of reasons (had a guy scream for 5 minutes I was a fish calling his min raise preflop in a SnG 1st level with 46c then stacking his JJ for 1460 more after the 357 flop)
This OP is fairly standard. He has read some poker books, has played some, thinks he is better then he is, but does not totally suck. He has no emotional control, so he can't accept a bad beat for what it is, which will be crippling long term online.
His rationalizations aside, he is absolutely correct that online poker is not right for him and quitting is most definitely a +EV choice on his part.
Thankfully most others like him stick around. While he is not the mega fish, guys like him definitely move money toward the better players in the long run, which is essential for the poker economy.
I came
and again here:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.30 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 30 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
MP2 (t6280)
MP3 (t7094)
CO (t11752)
Button (t9170)
Hero (SB) (t4465)
BB (t13481)
UTG (t13333)
UTG+1 (t5555)
MP1 (t19470)
Hero's M: 6.92
Preflop: Hero is SB with K
6 folds, Button bets t750, Hero raises to t4435 (All-In), BB calls t4185, 1 fold
Flop: (t9890) 4
Turn: (t9890) J
River: (t9890) A
Total pot: t9890
Results:
Hero had K
BB had A
Outcome: BB won t9890
Jah, when did you get the new account?
Sure you are a huge favorite, but your opponent is actually going to win this hand every 1/5.5 ish to 1/9 times depending on the suits of the cards they hold.
The only difference is people in general tend to ignore when things go as they should, but when they go wrong these scenarios stand out much more.
Attached image applies to Q6 scenario too.
Ha ha......I'll take 2 please
All i was saying is that, while AA is top pair(preflop), guess what...theres still 5 cards to hit the board(unless of course no one calls your all in), but we're talking about AA's getting cracked, not AA's win it all preflop.
Personally, would i call 78(suited) preflop for a standard (2.5 - 3 times BB bet)...Dam right i would. As would most i would think, unless of course your one to just sit there and wait for AA or KK...then complain when either 1..they get cracked...or 2...no one calls your snap all in cause ya can't seem to control yourself. LOL
Please close retarded thread with even worse responses ^^^^ before my head explodes.
Thank You.
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