Oh yeah PokerStars is legit
PokerStars Game #4395963785: Tournament #21857514, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/03/24 - 10:25:12 (ET)
Table '21857514 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Ms.Norway (8425 in chips)
Seat 7: PUNKYMISHA (5075 in chips)
PUNKYMISHA: posts small blind 100
Ms.Norway: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PUNKYMISHA [Jd As]
PUNKYMISHA: calls 100
Ms.Norway: raises 600 to 800
PUNKYMISHA: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Jc Tc Jh]
Ms.Norway: bets 1600
PUNKYMISHA: raises 2675 to 4275 and is all-in
Ms.Norway: calls 2675
*** TURN *** [Jc Tc Jh] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Tc Jh 9h] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ms.Norway: shows [6s 8d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
PUNKYMISHA: shows [Jd As] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Ms.Norway collected 10150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10150 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Tc Jh 9h 7s]
Seat 2: Ms.Norway (big blind) showed [6s 8d] and won (10150) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 7: PUNKYMISHA (button) (small blind) showed [Jd As] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Table '21857514 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Ms.Norway (8425 in chips)
Seat 7: PUNKYMISHA (5075 in chips)
PUNKYMISHA: posts small blind 100
Ms.Norway: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PUNKYMISHA [Jd As]
PUNKYMISHA: calls 100
Ms.Norway: raises 600 to 800
PUNKYMISHA: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Jc Tc Jh]
Ms.Norway: bets 1600
PUNKYMISHA: raises 2675 to 4275 and is all-in
Ms.Norway: calls 2675
*** TURN *** [Jc Tc Jh] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Tc Jh 9h] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ms.Norway: shows [6s 8d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
PUNKYMISHA: shows [Jd As] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Ms.Norway collected 10150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10150 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Tc Jh 9h 7s]
Seat 2: Ms.Norway (big blind) showed [6s 8d] and won (10150) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 7: PUNKYMISHA (button) (small blind) showed [Jd As] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Comments
only because I thought it only happened to me!!!!
The nature of poker is that the better a player, the more often he will put
his money in when he is ahead. Conversely, the weaker the player, the more
often he will put his money in whilst behind. It is therefore natural
that the good player will not need to outdrawn his opponent very often,
whilst the weaker player has to do it with much greater frequency. Of
course, the good player makes more money in the long run, but the weaker
player will still win pots from him. It's a fact that in the long run, the
good player will outdraw opponents fewer times per hour than he will be
outdrawn on himself. This is simply because he is rarely in a situation
where he has to outdraw someone to win. However, if you looked at every
single time a strong player had a 20% shot to win with all his chips in
compared to every single time a weak player had a 20% shot to win, you will
find that both players did indeed make their hand 20% of the time.
There are three sets of people who would undoubtably recognise that
something was amiss if there were any flaws in the shuffle. The first set
is the programmers, the second senior management, and the third the poker
specialists (who have access to as many hand histories as they want). All
any of these people would have to do is ask for a 100% pay rise with the
threat that they will release compelling evidence about the dishonesty. We
make our money purely from rake and tournament entry fees. We would
immediately lose a lot, if not all of our players as a result of this. The
fact that this is not all over the forums, and the fact that I am (sadly)
not sitting on a tropical island as I type this mail is a very strong
signal that nothing is amiss.
This concept is right from there, worded slightly differently.
Honestly dude, this hand example is not out of the ordinary. If you think the site is rigged, don't play there.
This went from YAWN to SIGH.
Don't worry right after that hand I went straight to the cashier and withdrew my funds.
I (not so) politely asked them to give their server a kick as their Random Card Generator is acting up again. Â
I usually get the standard reply's from PS. Â I actually email them probably every other week because their responses amuze me. Â Sick sense of humour I know. Â I figure I might as well get a couple laughs for my money.
I could have sent an email to you it would have probably been just as entertaining
I can probably get the same entertainment watching you play poker when you lose as a 51% favourite and flip the table over, punch the dealer in the face and storm out.
I am afraid to even ask what level tournament this was in because I am sure the answer will be something like freeroll or $5 sit and go which of course Pokerstars would go to insane trouble to rig...
Seriously though, if you cannot take a single bad beat without drawing all of these bizarre conclusions then perhaps internet poker is not for you. Â The fact that you contacted their customer support about this (sample size of 1 and likely a tiny buy in event) and actually got a polite reply says a lot for their professionalism. Â Most people would laugh while holding the door open for you to walk out with your $50 bankroll.
Have a nice rigged day.
I guess that is why you added an idiotic response
While I don't believe PokerStars is rigged, you seem to. Â So what caused you to go back after you withdrew your money last year?
Obviously the site is now MORE rigged, c'mon get with the program.
I am not bitching at all actually. I found the hand to be a joke and posted it on here. I email support on occasion to see what they have to say about their site. As for sites being rigged well we all do have our opinions on that and although I have mine I am not going to call everyone stupid that go against my beliefs. If that's the type of person you are then that's fine I will respect. We all know you only play $300 heads up games 25 tabling with a 98% win rate so we could all learn a lot from you.
Don't be bitchy and bitter at the same time, it just isn't becoming. I apologize for making money playing online on other sites which are not rigged. I'm also sorry that you cannot objectively realize the outright idiocy of repeatedly stating that a site is rigged and continuing to play there.
Trevor I would say the main reason is that I am a poker addict and need help. The other reasons would be continously making money as well as some good old fashion bonus whoring.Â
In the end this post was more of a look at this call and subsquent bad beat more then anything. Â I love to put the rigged twist on it because the likes of BBC, GTA and Monteroy can add their wonderful knowledge and cut downs to make them feel almighty and give themselves a sense of worth. Â
I hope g2's is not rigged tonight.
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Seriously, dude, what kind of BULLSH*T are you peddling? That's not your intention, never was. You're just trying to cover your ego now.
stp
Was your email to support all part of the plan? Damn, you really got me on this one...kudos. You need to stop crying like a schoolgirl and grow a pair. Do you think I need poker to give myself a feeling of self-worth? Poker is a hobby for me -- one at which I happen to make a bit of money. I am not addicted like you profess to be and I do not use poker to make myself feel better than anyone. If you post a question then I will try and give some advice. If you post repeatedly about sites being rigged and continue playing at those sites then you either have a gambling problem or aren't very intelligent. If the former is the case then I apologize, but you didn't seem to ask for help regarding that. If the latter is the case then at least stop posting about your rigged hands on here.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are many who think it's rigged, because they can't cheat the system and win. Â You know the JJprodigy et all. Â I think this is far more common and more likely than any site cheating. Â However, I don't think it's widespread and/or making the game unbeatable.
Anyone who's played enough hands will realize these seemingly improbable things will happen. Â The odds of the beat on Dro happening are not that bad or insurmountable. Â The odds are never, ever anywhere near the odds of winning the 649. Â Yet, Â most often there are three winners every week (7/49 as well). Â If I offered anyone $100 to walk across the street where the odds would be the same as getting hit by a car as it would take to make a runner/runner straight flush based on 1 exact card coming on the turn and 1 exact coming on the river in that exact sequence, I don't think anyone would take up the offer. Â The odds of 1 exact card and then the other is 2070 to 1. Â While the odds are high against going runner runner like that, they are not improbable.
My session at Brantford yesterday was very similar to the Pokerstars phenomenon. Â All it look was three loose fish in the game, and another three tilting guys to make for an interesting game. Â My aces got cracked twice by runner runner cards where the person who won called three bets cold pre-flop and two bets cold on the flop with no draw on the flop. Â My pocket sevens cracked by the same scenario. Â JT vs T8 got beat by an 8 on the river (we both had a ten on the flop). Â AJ two pair, got beat on a boar of AK8J8 with my opponent holding 78 and calling 2 bets cold pre-flop and going into a raising war on the the flop. Â My KT beat by K9. Â My KQ suited which made trips and a flush draw on the turn beat by a runner runner straight with the guy beating me having NO draw on the flop. QQ beat by AT with the ace on the turn. Â QQ beat by JJ on a runner runner flush. Â On that last hand, I just said tapped the felt and said "hey, it's not my day, gook luck everyone". Â
After many, many hands, it's quite realistic to hit some very strange bumps along the way. Â When I first started playing NL tournaments I figured out the odds of me losing the way I did and it was astronomical. Â It was ridiculous. Â However, I realized I sucked (I'm not saying anyone sucks -- just ME at that time), and I sucked it up. Â I worked at my game harder and harder. Â And bam I won my entry into the WSOP and bam I won more and more in NL tournaments.
Your brain will want to believe it's rigged. Â Over and over, seemingly impossible things happen. Â Well, they're not IMPROBABLE and in fact, if you look closely the odds are not that bad. Â Do they happen more in one place than another. Â Well, maybe. Â But that just tells you you're in a good game. Â If you go look at the play money tables, this wacky stuff happens all the time. Â Are the play money tournaments rigged as well?
Also, I would look in the most likely place for cheating.  Examine your opponents closely, as the odds of them cheating are astronomically greater than the sites  or Brantford Charity Casinos.
Cheers
Magi
playing live, 4 players left to the money, I'm in the small blind with ATo and both players call to me, I go all-in for 1900 (blinds 100/200 and I'm 4th and very close to third). The BB calls 1800 with K4o...K4o....yes, that's K4o? Flop is something like 9T5 rainbow...sweet right.......no live poker is rigged, turn a 4, river a 4 and I'm out on the bubble. I lost it and I'm embarrassed to admit it, I walked away and actually threw something.
I think the bottom line is we're all competitive, we all like to win, and we all would like to believe when we put all our chips on the line ahead we want to come out on top...however it is not always to be. I can completely understand what Sandro did, it is very tough for some people to deal with these bad beats...and it's easy to question anything on the internet. I'm firmly believe the on-line poker sites are legit it doesn't make it any easier to take!
For myself, I was so embarrassed at how I reacted at the live game, a game I am playing with people I like and respect, a game where my outburst was completely childish that I really am going to force myself to deal with situations like this in a different way and try to keep everything in it's proper perspective...I mean it was a $10 game for crying out loud!
Anyways, I think my point here is that bad beats happen when you play this game, you have to find a way to deal with them that will not affect the way you feel about yourself or the way your friends feel about you...and if you firmly do believe a site is not on the up and up then stay away from it, don't put yourself in a position like this.
I also believe that sometimes it helps posting the bad beats if just to say, check out what happened to me last night? I don't think it's healthy for anyone to dump on someone posting such a thing as long as their OP is within the forums rules and guidelines.