that is pretty dumb by the casino since they set up the tournaments to run over top of each other. kind of a dick move to say you can't refund or transfer so the casino gets to keep the free money.
Yeah, BF and I were discussing this on Sunday at Fallsview. I asked the pit this same question and they had to go upstairs for an official response. The answer I got was as follows:
If you buy your seat or redeem your satellite voucher for your seat, you have ebtered into a non-transferrable, non-refundable contract with the casino. If you have an unredeemed voucher in your possession, it is transferable but not refundable.
The only way you can get a refund is if you have an emergency situation that you can prove. Having to work, or other personal commitments are not valid reasons for a refund.
so even though you can prove you are playing in the other tournament that the casino is running, that is not enough reason to receive a refund for the other tournament. it's almost like they are against good players winning. i just don't understand this from a business perspective (other than just outright stealing players buy-ins).
Yes, that is correct. They're hiding behind the "binding contract" mumbo jumbo, but they're position is very transparent.
1. No-transferrable is designed to stop scalping. I get that.
2. Non-refundable is to ensure they don't get stuck with a bunch of returned seats at the last minute and not have time to re-sell them. Considering the demand for seats at this event, this is not a real issue, however, my suspicion is that the execs either don't know this, or don't care, or both.
The one thing I didn't think to ask was if you can buy a transferable voucher from the cage and redeem it for a seat at a later time. BF probably knows the answer to this.
The only thing you can buy is the plastic entry card, not a paper voucher. When you win the first step (of two) satellite towards the $2,500 or $5,000 event, you get a satellite paper voucher from the cage to play the $550/$1,050 satellite. This satellite voucher is the only one that is transferable. The entries to the six tournaments packed in seven starting days are non-transferable, non-replaceable, non-refundable, nada, nil, nullity, nothing.
Clear as mud?! Welcome to Fallsview! Every year, I have to keep explaining the satellites, tournaments and poker rules to the WPT FPC Hotline, dealers, friends, and lots of confused strangers in poker rooms.
The one thing I didn't think to ask was if you can buy a transferable voucher from the cage and redeem it for a seat at a later time. BF probably knows the answer to this.
No $1,050 satellites to the $5K Main Event have run yet, and I have only gotten to play one $550 satellite. Fallsview already has the worst satellite system that I know of, but some players make it worse by signing up for everything with zero intention of playing these high buy-in satellites then neglect to take their name off the lists when they leave, so even more time is wasted when the huge but dead lists are called. After waiting for many hours when a $1,050 satellite is finally called, players stop playing their cash games to sit down for the satellite, then wait another 30 minutes to go through the entire 30+ interest list and continuous announcements for "Mike Hunt, last call for Mike Hunt" but we have never gotten ten players yet, then the whole slow cycle starts again for a $550 or other satellite.
So for the thousands of players that will be taking a shot at the > $4.5 mirrion at WPT Fallsview, but can't play in the upcoming rake-free satellites at Waterdown, Georgetown or Pickering, please consider the following when you go to Fallsview:
1) Sign up for 2/5, but not the $1,050, $550 or other satellites that you don't intend to play.
2) When your name gets called for a satellite, please do the following three necessary things right away: pick your seat #, leave your buy-in in chips (cash not allowed), and player's card.
3) Before you leave Fallsview, take your name off any remaining lists and have your player's card swiped out for the free parking.
The first $1,050 satellite finally ran on Saturday, along with a couple of $550 then more satellites on Monday. Is anybody else going to Fallsview this week or by New Year's Eve?
You must be referring to ex-poster ryanghall's Tweets about last night. It was actually worse - ELEVEN open tables despite a huge waiting list! I phoned ahead as always and 90 minutes later, my name was still too far down the list to see it on the screen on a Tuesday. After I finally got seated, I saw him waiting for 5/10 but by the time his name was called, he had left for a 1/2 underground game. The WPT satellites did run until 3 am. :cool:
As 13CARDS and the original WPT Fallsview manager admitted in this forum before, poker is unfortunately their lowest priority game. Tables are not opened up no matter how high the demand is, and full tables are sometimes closed too early with ten customers being kicked out of the poker room! One of the excuses last night was that six dealers called in sick.
Gamblers will get their fix somewhere, whether it is illegal clubs, highly -EV Seneca and other US tournaments, or a badly-managed poker room where the onus is on the customer to make adjustments. Another member from Hamilton and I play poker to try to maximize our EV, so that third option will continue to be ONE of our choices to make money.
So, who else is going tonight? :wink2: "Once more unto the breach dear friends once more" before the holiday parties...
Not going to dispute the -ev'ness of Seneca for tournaments but have you ever played cash there? The difference is night and day as far as service goes. Obviously not the number of 2/5 tables as at Fallsview but no comparison for service. Try it sometime. They are actually friendly.
Yes, as I posted in old trip reports, I was playing 2/5 at Seneca - until they ripped off Canadians by taxing 30% cash from our satellite voucher wins. While Seneca has no or only one 2/5 table, Fallsview will have FIFTEEN 2/5-10/25 tables on the weekends so there is no comparison. Even Americans have been flocking across the border because they follow the money to badly-managed Fallsview.
I'm in the Falls right now and have been for the last two nights. Mini vacation for family and myself. I ventured over to Fallsview to see a couple cash tables running and no satellites the first night we were in town on Monday.
I played 1/2 last night at Casino Niagara after waiting for an hour or so to get on a table. I was there until 3am this morning. They only had 3 tables going all night. Action was good though and I saw a friend from Mohawk. Dealer said that not many of the dealers want to work overtime. As far I can see....it looks to me that they want to close these rooms by not servicing poker players. I wish they would shut them down and give us a dedicated poker room like Playground. I saw the wait list at Fallsview last night - there were a ton of players on the list...I just assumed the place was hopping busy....
I will be grinding again tonight after some chicken wings with family and after they get settled into their bedtime movie. Perhaps I will swing by Fallsview afterwards to see if I can find any of you degens....
No more $1,050 satellites have run, as players continue to put their names on the $1050 & $550 lists but never show up and wastes everybody's time waiting for a satellite that never runs. In case anybody wants to sell their $1050 or $550 voucher, please PM me.
1) Sign up for 2/5, but not the $1,050, $550 or other satellites that you don't intend to play.
2) When your name gets called for a satellite, please do the following three necessary things right away: pick your seat #, leave your buy-in in chips (cash not allowed), and player's card.
3) Before you leave Fallsview, take your name off any remaining lists and have your player's card swiped out for the free parking.
Was at Fallsview yesterday. Got there around 2:30pm and was immediately seated at 2-5. First time ever I believe lol.
Don't think there were issues with dealer being "sick" because almost every table seemed open shortly after.
I played the $245 satty into the $1100 and won it on my first go! Claimed a ticket to Day 1-B. Won in 2-5 afterwards as well so all-in-all a great way to end the year
I played the $245 satty into the $1100 and won it on my first go! Claimed a ticket to Day 1-B. Won in 2-5 afterwards as well so all-in-all a great way to end the year
Congrats. If there is any possibility that you will end up playing 1A too, you could get stuck with your 1B entry! If you have a decent stack after 1A and don't need to play 1B, Fallsview gives you no options with the non-refundable, non-transferable and non-replaceable ("3 non-Rs") entry cards.
Players continue to make mistakes not understanding this year's changes from all previous FPC, so I advise my confused friends at Fallsview to talk to me first before deciding on their satellite win or buying any entry. As I reminded my horse, another blunder is buying a super satellite "3 non-Rs" card early, as you could get stuck with them if you are still in the $1100 or $2500 event, or anything unexpected happens before February 17.
I screamed for the first time ever at Fallsview. Everybody in the poker room looked at me after I shouted "ARE YOU (*&^%$#@ KIDDING ME?!!!" Somebody later told me that he thought I had gotten a bad beat, but I am pretty zen about coolers & poker being "rigged." Here is what happened:
It was bubble time in the Bingo satellites. With the three players' average stack of only 5,000, the blinds were a whopping 500/1000 + 200. The BB was all-in with only 800 chips left, so I flatted the minimum 1000 on the puck. SB was in a similar situation earlier and one of the US regs had berated him and called him a "retard" after his action. SB already had 500 chips in so all he had to do was call, and I would check it down to the river.
Yeah I've been reading you advise and let my friend know last night that I wouldn't buy him a supper satty ticket for those exact reasons. Also let other people from a private game I attend that they shouldn't buy a card in advance and then have a tourney for it. They didn't listen and are now staking the guy who they gave money to buy it for them.
Did you get to play? I phoned ahead as always but when I got there, one of the bad employees put me at the very bottom of ~200-person wait list chasing the $123,000 BBJ. During the long waiting times, I used the free casino vouchers and won $50.
Eventually, they went through the entire huge list for the $1,050 satellite and DrCarl and I put our vouchers on the table, but as usual, it failed to run. I played a $245 satellite and it lasted only 50 minutes.
I was able to take a free shuttle back to my hotel.
Did you get to play? I phoned ahead as always but when I got there, one of the bad employees put me at the very bottom of ~200-person wait list chasing the $123,000 BBJ. During the long waiting times, I used the free casino vouchers and won $50.
Eventually, they went through the entire huge list for the $1,050 satellite and DrCarl and I put our vouchers on the table, but as usual, it failed to run. I played a $245 satellite and it lasted only 50 minutes.
I was able to take a free shuttle back to my hotel.
Yeah but didn't get a qualifier. Played cash and lost my shirt. Got real unlucky on last hand. Got it in with AK against K4 on the turn. We both had trip kings and he won a pot worth 2,200
I have booked for the six busiest nights of WPT Fallsview at a cost of $28/night (after $50 Fallsview vouchers & refund of tourist tax). I will stay overnight on Friday as usual and if the Powerball jackpot is still growing, I will cross the border and buy a -EV U$2 sweat.
I have booked for the six busiest nights of WPT Fallsview at a cost of $28/night (after $50 Fallsview vouchers & refund of tourist tax). I will stay overnight on Friday as usual and if the Powerball jackpot is still growing, I will cross the border and buy a -EV U$2 sweat.
Giving up going to qualify as I end up getting too drunk when waiting and playing cash. Gonna win money hopefully on stars turbo coop and then just buy in. Cheapest option I think
There were 2 satellite tables + 6 2/5 tables when i got to Fallsview today. The poker room was ordered since Friday night not to run any more satellites to the $1,100 Event. The entire $1,050 list was called, but as usual, only a few players actually went to the desk. There was a computer problem so all remaining satellites were cancelled for the day. My consolation was that I more than tripled up in the cash game.
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If you buy your seat or redeem your satellite voucher for your seat, you have ebtered into a non-transferrable, non-refundable contract with the casino. If you have an unredeemed voucher in your possession, it is transferable but not refundable.
The only way you can get a refund is if you have an emergency situation that you can prove. Having to work, or other personal commitments are not valid reasons for a refund.
1. No-transferrable is designed to stop scalping. I get that.
2. Non-refundable is to ensure they don't get stuck with a bunch of returned seats at the last minute and not have time to re-sell them. Considering the demand for seats at this event, this is not a real issue, however, my suspicion is that the execs either don't know this, or don't care, or both.
The one thing I didn't think to ask was if you can buy a transferable voucher from the cage and redeem it for a seat at a later time. BF probably knows the answer to this.
Clear as mud?! Welcome to Fallsview! Every year, I have to keep explaining the satellites, tournaments and poker rules to the WPT FPC Hotline, dealers, friends, and lots of confused strangers in poker rooms.
So for the thousands of players that will be taking a shot at the > $4.5 mirrion at WPT Fallsview, but can't play in the upcoming rake-free satellites at Waterdown, Georgetown or Pickering, please consider the following when you go to Fallsview:
1) Sign up for 2/5, but not the $1,050, $550 or other satellites that you don't intend to play.
2) When your name gets called for a satellite, please do the following three necessary things right away: pick your seat #, leave your buy-in in chips (cash not allowed), and player's card.
3) Before you leave Fallsview, take your name off any remaining lists and have your player's card swiped out for the free parking.
Thank you.
As 13CARDS and the original WPT Fallsview manager admitted in this forum before, poker is unfortunately their lowest priority game. Tables are not opened up no matter how high the demand is, and full tables are sometimes closed too early with ten customers being kicked out of the poker room! One of the excuses last night was that six dealers called in sick.
Gamblers will get their fix somewhere, whether it is illegal clubs, highly -EV Seneca and other US tournaments, or a badly-managed poker room where the onus is on the customer to make adjustments. Another member from Hamilton and I play poker to try to maximize our EV, so that third option will continue to be ONE of our choices to make money.
So, who else is going tonight? :wink2: "Once more unto the breach dear friends once more" before the holiday parties...
I played 1/2 last night at Casino Niagara after waiting for an hour or so to get on a table. I was there until 3am this morning. They only had 3 tables going all night. Action was good though and I saw a friend from Mohawk. Dealer said that not many of the dealers want to work overtime. As far I can see....it looks to me that they want to close these rooms by not servicing poker players. I wish they would shut them down and give us a dedicated poker room like Playground. I saw the wait list at Fallsview last night - there were a ton of players on the list...I just assumed the place was hopping busy....
I will be grinding again tonight after some chicken wings with family and after they get settled into their bedtime movie. Perhaps I will swing by Fallsview afterwards to see if I can find any of you degens....
good of luck at the tables....
Steve's post is exactly what I said when I was at Fallsview last.
Don't think there were issues with dealer being "sick" because almost every table seemed open shortly after.
I played the $245 satty into the $1100 and won it on my first go! Claimed a ticket to Day 1-B. Won in 2-5 afterwards as well so all-in-all a great way to end the year
Congrats. If there is any possibility that you will end up playing 1A too, you could get stuck with your 1B entry! If you have a decent stack after 1A and don't need to play 1B, Fallsview gives you no options with the non-refundable, non-transferable and non-replaceable ("3 non-Rs") entry cards.
Players continue to make mistakes not understanding this year's changes from all previous FPC, so I advise my confused friends at Fallsview to talk to me first before deciding on their satellite win or buying any entry. As I reminded my horse, another blunder is buying a super satellite "3 non-Rs" card early, as you could get stuck with them if you are still in the $1100 or $2500 event, or anything unexpected happens before February 17.
I screamed for the first time ever at Fallsview. Everybody in the poker room looked at me after I shouted "ARE YOU (*&^%$#@ KIDDING ME?!!!"
It was bubble time in the Bingo satellites. With the three players' average stack of only 5,000, the blinds were a whopping 500/1000 + 200. The BB was all-in with only 800 chips left, so I flatted the minimum 1000 on the puck. SB was in a similar situation earlier and one of the US regs had berated him and called him a "retard" after his action. SB already had 500 chips in so all he had to do was call, and I would check it down to the river.
SB thought for a second then folded....
Not planning on playing day 1-a.
Got bored during the holidays and went to Fallsview (I came out of retirement). Sat down at the first $ 245.00 and won.
I will be playing the $ 1100, 275 and 550 sats. Easy game!
Eventually, they went through the entire huge list for the $1,050 satellite and DrCarl and I put our vouchers on the table, but as usual, it failed to run. I played a $245 satellite and it lasted only 50 minutes.
I was able to take a free shuttle back to my hotel.
Which hotel?