Fuck it! I'm mad as hell.
I don't care what the stop watch says since the shooting this morning.
I don't care what the supposed "grace" period is for discussing the topic at hand.
And no offense Comp, but I don't care right now if you think it's appropriate or not for us to discuss gun violence, or not at this time.
As a great man once said, "If not us, who? If not now, when?"
If you must, just pretend I'm not speaking about this gun tragedy. Maybe I'm talking about the 7 year old boy that was killed last week by his own father in the parking lot of a Pennsylvania gun shop as the man was getting back into his car supposedly unaware the gun was even loaded.
Ok, that's just an unfortunate accident...it's not like harsher gun control is going to prevent accidents from happening.
Well maybe I'm talking about the white supremacist that walked into the Sikh temple and opened fire on the worshippers killing 6 before turning the gun on himself a couple weeks after the Dark Knight Rises shootings.
But, he's just some "wacko" with hate in his heart and something in him snapped to make that happen. Besides he probably got the gun illegally so it's not like stiffer gun laws would have affected him in any way. Funny stat about mass shootings with illegal guns...
Or maybe I'm talking about the recent fatal shooting of a 17 year old girl and wounding of a 22 year old boy by their 23 year old friend. This one just happened to occur about 20 minutes from my house a couple weeks ago....THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN NEAR MY COMMUNITY! This guy was not a "loony" or "nutbar" as we like to describe everyone that uses a gun to take a life, but just a regular kid that couldn't control his temper or hormones and had access to a gun. He didn't use a knife that was in the house, or an axe that was in the garage, or even a shovel or frying pan. He left the house to get a gun, came back and did his deed.
And that is all I'm talking about. The ease of access to guns in the US is now creeping into my personal space and I have had far more than enough to be worried about political correctness....especially when I know I am correct.
I don't care what the supposed "grace" period is for discussing the topic at hand.
And no offense Comp, but I don't care right now if you think it's appropriate or not for us to discuss gun violence, or not at this time.
As a great man once said, "If not us, who? If not now, when?"
If you must, just pretend I'm not speaking about this gun tragedy. Maybe I'm talking about the 7 year old boy that was killed last week by his own father in the parking lot of a Pennsylvania gun shop as the man was getting back into his car supposedly unaware the gun was even loaded.
Ok, that's just an unfortunate accident...it's not like harsher gun control is going to prevent accidents from happening.
Well maybe I'm talking about the white supremacist that walked into the Sikh temple and opened fire on the worshippers killing 6 before turning the gun on himself a couple weeks after the Dark Knight Rises shootings.
But, he's just some "wacko" with hate in his heart and something in him snapped to make that happen. Besides he probably got the gun illegally so it's not like stiffer gun laws would have affected him in any way. Funny stat about mass shootings with illegal guns...
Or maybe I'm talking about the recent fatal shooting of a 17 year old girl and wounding of a 22 year old boy by their 23 year old friend. This one just happened to occur about 20 minutes from my house a couple weeks ago....THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN NEAR MY COMMUNITY! This guy was not a "loony" or "nutbar" as we like to describe everyone that uses a gun to take a life, but just a regular kid that couldn't control his temper or hormones and had access to a gun. He didn't use a knife that was in the house, or an axe that was in the garage, or even a shovel or frying pan. He left the house to get a gun, came back and did his deed.
And that is all I'm talking about. The ease of access to guns in the US is now creeping into my personal space and I have had far more than enough to be worried about political correctness....especially when I know I am correct.
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And if you are really mad, you are getting mad at the wrong person..;)
And for the record I am for stronger gun control (especially in the US), I am for capital punishment, I am neutral on the 3rd item.>:D
Oh, and I am not a great man, are you?
qfd
I also 100% see why Comp sees the need to keep that discussion away from the events of today even though it's completely relevant. People need to digest a bit first. It's awe inducing and absolutely horrible in an inhumane fashion.
I absolutely agree that gun control in the US is 100% necessary, but unlikely. The sad thing today in particular and on many other days is that many of the victims of the crimes aren't of legal age to vote on such issues. This has been overflowing into Canada and many other countries for decades.
I will never agree that capital punishment is a solution. It's a proven fact that the severity of sentencing has no bearing in recidivism or the commission of a crime. Rather, the certainty of apprehension and successful prosecution that prevents crime. At no time, in my opinion, should a government kill someone to show others that killing is wrong. It shouldn't exist in legislation. If I want to do it myself and pay legal consequences, I'll deal with that myself.
Costanza, try spoken language. The internet cut and paste shit is lame, non- communicative and ineffective. Most of the time I have no clue what the fuck you're talking (not talking) about. It's just not right today either.
Whatever.gif away if you feel it necessary.
I have 2 grandchildren who are traumatized tonight after hearing about this.. The rest are too young and were shielded... Those in Connecticut were not...
I was running late for an outing just as I got the thread locked - I was pretty pissed off that that got locked down, and disagree with the call - but me and Dad PM'd and will chat about that later
HM you should be mad, we all should be mad. I have to say - as much as it may pain me to do so - that I'm most impressed by Milo. His statement in the other thread that he agrees with some of the gun measures that had previously been mentioned (keep them at a club vs in private possession) is something I'm proud to see him do.
HM again - you stealing my lines too?
Costanza - IIRC correctly you told me a few months back when you and I met that you were trying to mature and be a different / better person. I've watched you with all these gifs of late, and even with the general tone you take in threads. I hope you recognize that you are passive-aggressively antagonizing, being just vague enough to deny that you were basically shit disturbing. If you were ever serious about maturing - recognize what you're doing and the reasons behind it. If not, own it at least and drop the facade of trying.
Mark
You do IIRC correctly , for sure ... I don't know why I've been so trolly lately...
I guess I keep being poked by sticks, and act out in a way that is somehow expected of me? Im not sure, but there is some sort of psychological imbalance going on with my posts for sure, I need to fix it.
Not sure why im lashing out at people unprovoked. shits wack.
I need to balance my brain range , and hopefully i can get back on the right track.
/end thread derail.
You have been provoked, but part of being a big boy is not letting that start you to act like a dick. Stop it.
Mark
I am just tired of seeing the usual suspects drag out the same tired arguments every time something like this occurs. The "usual solutions" have not worked, so lets try something new. There is no "logical" need for a Bushmaster to be in private hands. It is not designed for hunting, and is inefficient for home defense (unless we're talking zombie apocalypse). The only reason to have it is "because", and every child knows that "because" is not a good enough reason. The handguns, at least, make a little more sense in terms of "why", but even there, the issue becomes safe storage. Put a trigger lock on those things, and no one gets shot with them. So again, it all comes down to, "if you do not respect your toys, you will not be allowed to play with them." I am tired of this argument, and I am tired of innocent people getting killed. Too many deaths for me to give a damn about what some guys wrote over 200 years ago. Times change
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finding defensive pistol use courses
why'd we disarm our teachers when Israel armed theirs
This is very similar to the reaction after that theater shooting spree months ago. Some Texan politician was disappointed in the people of Colorado and said if more people in the theater were carrying guns, the guy would have been shot and less would have died. More likely, everyone would have started pulling their guns out in the dark and mistaking everyone else who had guns out for the shooter.
The only thing that really needs to be discussed is what has changed? Have guns become more accessible? Not really. Are a larger percentage of people becoming more depressed, nuts, and losing every moral fibre they once had? Certainly. Why is this? The human race as a whole is going down the tubes. Morals, ethics have never been lower. Religion (which not all that long ago may have kept 'some' of these nuts in line) has become a joke to the masses, and an excuse to be nuts to the minority.
What I find so silly about the tighter gun law arguement and the graph on this first page is....that people actually believe that stricter gun laws will somehow stop the nuts from going nuts. Sure, it might delay them, but to think these depressed lunatics are somehow going to come to their senses if they don't have access to one form of killing machine is just silly. No, they'll just figure out how to make fertilizer bombs, burn people alive, or poison them on large scales. Or just make the 'Killer obtained weapons legally' 'No' side of the graph go way up. Or just buy a metal lathe of course
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is
700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians
per year are
120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician
is 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
Now think about this:
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.
is
80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths
per year, all age groups,
is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths
per gun owner
is .0000188
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,
BUT
Almost everyone has at least one doctor.
This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be
killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!!
Please alert your friends
to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors
before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
Out of concern for the public at large,
I withheld the statistics on
lawyers
for fear the shock would cause
people to panic and seek medical attention!
Was a good act yesterday from B.O crying at the microphone . Another false flag shooting to bolster the attempt to take away guns.
The stats nerd in me needs to point out that persons going to doctors have a predisposition / preexisting condition that may have spurred on the deaths. In order to make appropriate comparisons, we would need to have a scientific experiment, including control groups and tightly controlled situations. Barring that, you're comparing apples to oranges.
Mark
Here, I got this for you..
Mark
As for Neverlookback's foil hat wing-nuttery, the Doctor thing was kind of funny, the foil-hat nonsense less so. There are many ways to end this tragic BS without resorting to confiscation of firearms or repealing the Second Amendment.
Your comments about the President demand a response: The man is a Father, as am I. I may (or may not) have a tenuous association with someone who lost a child in this tragedy, but simply as a Father I was close to tearing up yesterday. I doubt very much the President was "acting" during his press comments. If he was, he is in the wrong line of work, as he could make more $$$ in Hollywood.
the more the emotional response they can get out this event, the better for them. The Batman shooting wasnt enough to get it done but this 'event' may tip the scales.
Seacrest out
Appreciate it very much..
oh and I found this little tid bit today. But we wont also talk about this little slip up by the media in this 'event'... shes dead.. no shes alive! haha (principal)
read this...
Shooting Reported Sandy Hook Elementary School | The Newtown Bee
then this...
Dawn Hochsprung: Sandy Hook Elementary
I think for the local news it is a big slip up..or isnt it monitored by the controllers?
Maybe just a fault in the heat? Tough it seems this inital report was very fast out..
ps.. this IS a news update.
The reporting at the start of ANY chaotic incident is haphazard at best. Hell, the Titanic was reported to be steaming to New York long after she hit the bottom of the Atlantic. What is your point? If it is anything other than that reporters occasionally jump the gun in an effort to scoop the competition, then you are not providing a news update. Come to think of it, what I just posted isn't exactly "news" either . . .
Morgan Freeman's statement about these random shootings....
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem."
Ditto.
How about the millions killed by enviro-weenies who got DDT banned. I mean, if we're going to start pulling our favourite memes out for a good airing, have at it . . .
Or, we could, for once, stay on topic. and no, neither yours nor mine are that.
Newtown Church Evacuated | NBC Connecticut