Kitchener / Waterloo Triple Crown Finale
Hello all
Well, after reading posts / discussing with forumers, a decision has been made.
WHEN: Sunday, March 1st, 2009 1:00p.m.
WHERE: Bristol Street Nightclub and Casino
WHO: 1 & 2 game winners of the KWTC
WHY: See the other thread....
HOW: Ahh... the big question
The game will be a freeroll tournament, for those players who have at least one win in the KWTC race. This list includes:
Moose (2)
g2 (2)
DrTyore (2)
stpboy (2)
800over (2)
beanie42 (1)
kristy_sea (1)
reddington (1)
Zithal (1)
8Ball (1)
2Bullets (1)
RangerMike (1)
sstar (1)
Haddon (1)
Now, as I said, this game will be a freeroll tournament. The players names have the number of games won next to their names. Those players with one win will start with 10k in chips, while those with 2 wins will start with an advantage of 3.5k, for a total of 13.5k in chips. In keeping with the KWTC, this is a winner take all tourney, with the entire pot being awarded to the winner <will update size when I count it again>.
Many people mentioned adding money to the prize pool, so there will also be available an optional side bet of $20 - essentially a last longer bet that is paid out to the top three participants in the side bet. Any players participating in the tourney that do not wish to put the side bet on, will neither be forced to, or eligible to qualify for its payout.
Please confirm/cancel your attendance to this game in this thread. PLEASE NOTE: Given the extensive time between this posting and the game, it is expected that you will be able to schedule yourself to attend, anyone not participating forfeits their claim to any KWTC prize money. Seats are non-transferrable.
Mark
Well, after reading posts / discussing with forumers, a decision has been made.
WHEN: Sunday, March 1st, 2009 1:00p.m.
WHERE: Bristol Street Nightclub and Casino
WHO: 1 & 2 game winners of the KWTC
WHY: See the other thread....
HOW: Ahh... the big question
The game will be a freeroll tournament, for those players who have at least one win in the KWTC race. This list includes:
Moose (2)
g2 (2)
DrTyore (2)
stpboy (2)
800over (2)
beanie42 (1)
kristy_sea (1)
reddington (1)
Zithal (1)
8Ball (1)
2Bullets (1)
RangerMike (1)
sstar (1)
Haddon (1)
Now, as I said, this game will be a freeroll tournament. The players names have the number of games won next to their names. Those players with one win will start with 10k in chips, while those with 2 wins will start with an advantage of 3.5k, for a total of 13.5k in chips. In keeping with the KWTC, this is a winner take all tourney, with the entire pot being awarded to the winner <will update size when I count it again>.
Many people mentioned adding money to the prize pool, so there will also be available an optional side bet of $20 - essentially a last longer bet that is paid out to the top three participants in the side bet. Any players participating in the tourney that do not wish to put the side bet on, will neither be forced to, or eligible to qualify for its payout.
Please confirm/cancel your attendance to this game in this thread. PLEASE NOTE: Given the extensive time between this posting and the game, it is expected that you will be able to schedule yourself to attend, anyone not participating forfeits their claim to any KWTC prize money. Seats are non-transferrable.
Mark
Comments
Mike
Anyone have a problem with declaring insies or outsies for the last longer bet prior to the tourney(ie now) so that a payout can be figured out. Inzees!*
*spelled both ways to hope for one being correct.
/g2
Mark
Make a suggestion.
Why don't you just make it pineapple, seriously, you can't have a fair game of poker when starting stacks aren't the same.
But of being only one win, I guess our opinion doesn't matter as the organizers have already made the rules. Given the last thread, I thought you guys were backing away from this set up.
Understandably, people would feel with two wins that they deserve more. I would suggest that everyone with one win has to add $5 to the pot so the 2 winners get a winners advantage but to start off the tourney at a 35% chip deficient doesn't make it a fair game in a WTA tourney.
Whatever happens you guys decide. However, I wanted you guys to know how i feel about it.
Fair is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think that a win in the triple crown can be made up by a $5 addition ($45 total). You can have a "fair" tourney with some bigger stacks if that's where the advantage of winning twice is placed. That's why we had the other thread. Having said that I do believe in the original thread mentions a vote. We'll put you in the against side. Currently I've got a 7-1 for vote with 1 unknown. And since I won twice I get 5 votes which makes it 11-1.
I do believe that the whole people/organizers with 2 wins want an advantage business is a slight misrepresentation/red herring. The opposite argument could be used for anyone with only 1 win. You guys only want us to give up our well earned/luckbox advantage. Depends on your point of view I guess.
/g2
Mark
Somewhat agree. I think most of us are looking out for our own interests, and rightfully so. But it isn't either side that chooses the format, it's the organizers. And while Mark isn't flaunting all the work he's been doing to try and figure this out as fairly as possible, I will. He has talked to a bunch of people at length, including a number of people outside the group of winners to try to get an impartial opinion. Whether you like the format or not, accusing the organizers of doing it for purely selfish reasons isn't really fair.
As far as a vote goes, good luck getting everyone to agree on a format, extra buy-ins, dates, etc. I think Mark is making a smart decision to just try to make a fair but arbitrary decision, otherwise this thing will never get done. But if you want to nitpick, it actually says that either a new host will be found or a freeroll will be held, and that changes to those rules require a popular vote. Since he's going with 1 of the 2 listed options, nothings changing, so a popular vote isn't required.
Think for a moment that the KWTC was still able to run <thinking>
Now a person with only one win does not only have to win 2 more tournaments however also has to avoid having one of those 5 players (who all have 2 wins) from winning said tournament.
I'm not an 'odds guy' but there must be a way to figure out the liklihood of a person with one win winning the KWTC when we have 5 other players needing only one more win. I think the odds are strongly against those players with one win regardless of their own self inflated confidence. Yeah, I'm talking to you Tyson
stp
It was noted.
See you in March.
See you all then
webcam address please.
Look, I understand that over the last three years none of you who play every week could not take this down.
I also understand that you need the extra 35% stack to have a chance.
See you Saturday, biatch.
Blind Schedule option A - 11am start / 30min blinds
Blind Schedule option B - noon start / 25min blinds
option C - other
I vote for option A
Votes:
A - 1
B - 0
C - 0
/g2
Well that is definitely better than just conceding that we are smarter, better poker players and better looking then you are. You have to read between the lines to find where I stated these facts.
And Zithal...I welcome you pee on me as I will wearing my impenitrible cloth of armour also known as ....
Hahaha, well played!
stp
Have the game start an 10am with a lunch break. Could you post the blinds schedules? the website you're using is blocked at my work.
/g2
I don't think the antes will have started by the time I knock you out.
/g2
OK, I was bored at work, so I ran a simulation with the following paramaters:
- A pool of 30 players who play in every tournament.
Of those 30:
1 has won a Cook Crew (CC) event and a g2 (G2) event
2 have won a Bristol Street (BS) and a CC event
2 have won a BS and a G2 event
5 have won only a BS
2 have won only a CC
2 have won only a G2
8 are still actively trying to win, even though they have not won an event yet
8 are not trying to win the Triple Crown
For each event, I gave those that have won at least one event a 3x better chance of winning than a person who has not won any events (because you know you're so much better than anyone else). So, the previous winners had a 3/58 chance of winning the event, while the non winners had a 1/58 chance of winning.
I then ran through a constantly looping schedule with twice as many Bristols as the other events (BS, CC, BS, G2) until someone won.
With 1 as the likelihood of the average player winning the KWTC, here are the indexes for each scenario:
7.65 for anyone already winning a G2 and a CC
3.54 for anyone already winning a BS and one of the other events
1.18 for anyone already having won one of the events other than BS
0.66 for anyone only having won a BS
0.02 for anyone not having won an event as of yet.
Use the numbers as you wish ;-) Flame away :-). I can't win a share of the jackpot anyways.