Wow, that was a great hour of reading.
I laughed, I feared for a friends well being.
All said, I am so happy that in my lifetime that the United States has come so far that it has elected an African American President. I do believe the man is left of center but not as far left as Trudeau. I do believe the man is far more inteligent than I am. Not since Kennedy have I seen the doors of Camilot opened. I just feel good.
Do you even watch the news? Do you read the reports? Fox news was the only news cast that came out balanced on the 2 candidates. MSNBC and NBC were whopping 82% negative stories on McCain while only 13% negative for Obama. I think you need to check your facts. Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann were pulled from the nightly desk because of their lack of objectivity to quote Tom Brokaw.
Brent, I consider us friends. However, this above statement is plainly wrong.
Although the 'fair and balanced' Fox network may have 1-1 balance in titled stories, Fox especially editorialized their coverage of events.
So where as you would see a story of McCain produced with brighter lighting, by American flags, uplifting music and a negative message ticker
(world events, terrorist trial results etc) a similar titled story about Obama would have darker imagery, ominious music and the ticker would focus on sports or weather.
Even scarier, look at the titles thus stories.
CNN - Obama, who does he know?
MSNBC - Obama?, A questionable past?
FOX - Obama, a terrorist?
In 1984, this is the ministry of truth.
As far as Sarah Palin goes. The choice for her as VP is simple. The republicans had given up on this election.
Wrong, they held her as the great hope of the election. The religious right base was not supporting McCain. He needed to appeal to them and she could. However, you cannot negate that she was chosen over other more tenured conservatives in the party because of her 'photogenic' appeal and the chance to pick up Hilary supporters.
This was working to, the GOP had and incredible surge in both funds and poll support.
Here is why Obama got a free pass: HE HAS NO FUCKING RECORD PEOPLE! That should be the media story every day in every newspaper: "GUY THAT HAS NO HISTORY, NO RECORD AND FLIPFLOPS ON ISSUES CONTINUES PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN". Open your mind and think about this one: Ask an Obama supporter what he's like and how he'll be as a president. Do you know that everyone, including his own campaign people will say "I think that he'll..".. It's always a guess because the guy has no history.
It was reported. People didn't care.
People want to hear him speak. They believe he can bring change and he projects someone who will bring hope.
They wanted a hero, and they got one.
Given what has happened under the republicans, I think the dems could have gotten the last fat almost-dead, drinking Kennedy elected.
Cmon, information and truth? That was lost with Reagan. Ever since the cowboy rode in and took charge it is not about the truth anymore (if it ever was). It is about soundbites and pictures.
You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
Remember the truth doesn't matter. He sold it better. Instead of slinging shit like McCain, Obama projected someone who is a leader and as a great leader he would hold council. McCain never had that. Go back and look at his acceptance speech for the GOP nomination. He said fight 100+ times.
He was the fighter, the pusher, the maverick.
I don't know if Obama will hold an open council, but he made me feel that he would.
That is what wins elections.
Actually, Obama ran the FAR dirtier campaign than McCain did. Independent sources verify that.
This by volume of media dollars spent, not how dirty the ads were.
Voted with Bush 90% of the time - Obama's attack on McCain
Consorted with terrorists - McCain's attack on Obama
McCain ran a campaign that was inherently arrogant. He was the war hero, because he made it through that he was better then Obama. "I know what's wrong in Washington, and I know how to fix it". This made his attacks seem viscous, over the top and even petty.
Obama was inherently humble. He came from nothing, overcame race and became a senator. He was hope. What we are doing isn't working, we cant stand it anymore and we need change." His attacks where seen as revolutionary, a break from the bondage.
The medium is the message. Obama's much better controlled the medium as such the message didn't matter as much.
Really????? Why because they didn't have land? Next you will be telling me the holocaust didn’t exist. Just because they weren't occupying the land of Israel didn't make them less Israeli. The land was theirs for thousands of years and officially became theirs again in 1948.
Umm Brent, go read a history book. There are jews everywhere, the US should have just cut out Long Island and made it a country. Isreal was an artificial country that was created based on Religion for them at the EXSPENSE of others in there area. Take a look at how a Palestinian has lived since '47 and how an Israeli has. Then remember this happened to them because they were muslim and everyone felt sorry for the jews at the time. Can you see how this conflict has become inter generational and will not be solved be demanding they change?
Steve, why are you so afraid of Palin because she is a creationist? What is it about that that scares you. Why are people who put their faith in evolution afraid of creationist or it is seen as out of touch. Wasn’t Galileo once thought a fool far saying the sun was still and it was the earth that moved. He was arrested I believe, seen as out of tough with science…
No he was arrested because he opposed the church dominated state.
Oh, by the way Galileo had applied a scientific method and found PROOF!
I do however, find it very difficult to explain dinosaur fossils. Considering how the bible wasn't strong on exemptive* editing (it is a long ass book) you would think that there would be some stories about jesus riding a T-Rex. Hell he resurrected himself and he couldn't ride a dinosaur.... wtf.
I would have seen Passion of the Christ if it had dinosaurs.
I believe it is easier to except a world view of creation of the world, the heavens, then to say everything happened by pure chance. An anomaly, complete randomness. There is too much order and science involved.
Personally, I believe that the planet is just a neutron of a single atom, of a single tissue cell on Gods balls and we are just in waiting for God to scratch em.
Coincidence? lol.. Yah right.. And he's not even from Texas...
Hey "Compuease" ! Aren't you ''supposed'' to be a fucking Moderator? Why are you breaking the forum rules?? Why are you displaying my personal e-mail information on here for everyone to see?!?
Ban me if you must for all the F bombs and such, that's fair enough, but posting my personal e-mail information is hitting way below the belt!!
I've trying to figure out who the Republicans go with in 2012. Ideas? Can't be Palin, can it?
I think it'll be someone we haven't heard of.. and it really depends on the nations mood under an Obama presidency. If he's doing his thing well, expect another big thinker to run. If he sucks bad, expect Jeb Bush (but I really think he'll try in 2016)..
Hey "Compuease" ! Aren't you ''supposed'' to be a fucking Moderator? Why are you breaking the forum rules?? Why are you displaying my personal e-mail information on here for everyone to see?!?
Ban me if you must for all the F bombs and such, that's fair enough, but posting my personal e-mail information is hitting way below the belt!!
I'm not really sure who the republican's best bet would be. I do know that Palin is currently being groomed as one of the front runners. A group of high ranking republican's (including Rush Limbaugh of all people) has already started working on her run in 2012. I find it hard to believe that she'll garner enough support outside her party.
Hell, she's been devisive even in her own party. Several republican insiders have said that the party is pretty split on her and more than half of them would not support her if she ran. Granted, she does have four years to work on her interviewing and speech giving skills but she has a long way to go.
Do you guys think obama will be around in 4 years. Hell I'm willing to bet he doesn't make his first full year. With the amount of guns in the US and the number of nutbars..... just think of the TV coverage this will generate.
I remember being told at one point there are 2 things you don't discuss with friends..... religion and politics and somehow both these things are in here.
Hey "Compuease" ! Aren't you ''supposed'' to be a fucking Moderator? Why are you breaking the forum rules?? Why are you displaying my personal e-mail information on here for everyone to see?!?
Ban me if you must for all the F bombs and such, that's fair enough, but posting my personal e-mail information is hitting way below the belt!!
Do you guys think obama will be around in 4 years. Hell I'm willing to bet he doesn't make his first full year. With the amount of guns in the US and the number of nutbars..... just think of the TV coverage this will generate.
I admit that I'm nervous about this. There's a lot of militia crazies out there that would love to stomp out something as momentous as Obama's presidency.
But if it were to ever happen, I can't imagine the rioting all across the country, never mind race.. He's the beacon of hope to 52% of the population. You can't just take it away without major reprecussions.
Do you guys think obama will be around in 4 years. Hell I'm willing to bet he doesn't make his first full year. With the amount of guns in the US and the number of nutbars..... just think of the TV coverage this will generate.
I remember being told at one point there are 2 things you don't discuss with friends..... religion and politics and somehow both these things are in here.
a) Love the avatar.
b) The assassination thing is something I'm really worried about. I mean, we've got enough problems keeping a white president safe. Now we have to worry about racist nutjobs.
I feel that it is a genuine concern Joe. I agree with you that he is no doubt in several people's crosshairs. There have been a few thwarted attempts on him already but those were by inbred, redneck, racist yokels who were just plain stupid.
The last time such a controversial figure held office (Kennedy for being a Catholic of all things) it didn't end well. Not to say that he was killed for being a Catholic but it was big deal when he was running and a lot of speculation was made in regards to him being a target.
One hopes that such lunatic fringe types, that want a man out of office purely based on his physical traits, don't succeed but I don't think anyone would be surprised if it happened.
Do you guys think obama will be around in 4 years. Hell I'm willing to bet he doesn't make his first full year. With the amount of guns in the US and the number of nutbars..... just think of the TV coverage this will generate.
4 years?
He won't make it until inauguration.
Then Bush and marshal law.
The anti-christ will come with great admonishment.
Obama will be fine. Secret Service will be increased drastically to ensure he is protected, moreso than any other President before him, I'd bet. Palin will be back in Alaska in six months. Limbaugh may talk her up, but he has the advantage of not having to run for anythin under her banner. she's done. Romney will give it another go in '12, but I think Bobby Jindal would be where I'd put $$$.
Do you guys think obama will be around in 4 years. Hell I'm willing to bet he doesn't make his first full year. With the amount of guns in the US and the number of nutbars..... just think of the TV coverage this will generate.
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You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
A) You realize that this is a direct contradiction right?
He cannot both "vote along party lines" and be the LEFTEST senator in the whole damn place. He's does one, or he's the other.
Accussing someone of denying the Holocaust because you can't get your OWN facts straight is the lowest argument available. In fact, it's not even an argument, or a discussion, it's an insane rant.
C) I just re-read "Kristy was banned" thread for 6 months ago. (someone bumped it) Interesting read, but if someone was banned for 7 days for language or insults, you should be thrown off the internet. Your complete, repeated, and utter GARBAGE you spewed about "MEET ME AT BRISTOL." is one of the more vile things I've subjected myself to recently (and I watched the VP debate). That's a direct disrepect of Rob and the forum. If I was Rob, I would ban you from the location for having the sheer AUDACITY (see what i did there?) to use my house as a staging ground.
D) I fear for myself, and anyone else who lacked the common sense to stop reading your posts after the first one.
b.
p.s. I would rather be Irrationally hopeful, than Mindlessly hateful.
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You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
A) You realize that this is a direct contradiction right?
He cannot both "vote along party lines" and be the LEFTEST senator in the whole damn place. He's does one, or he's the other.
Accussing someone of denying the Holocaust because you can't get your OWN facts straight is the lowest argument available. In fact, it's not even an argument, or a discussion, it's an insane rant.
C) I just re-read "Kristy was banned" thread for 6 months ago. (someone bumped it) Interesting read, but if someone was banned for 7 days for language or insults, you should be thrown off the internet. Your complete, repeated, and utter GARBAGE you spewed about "MEET ME AT BRISTOL." is one of the more vile things I've subjected myself too recently (and I watched the VP debate). That's a direct disrepect of Rob and the forum. If I was Rob, I would ban you from the location for having the sheer AUDACITY (see what i did there?) to use my house as a staging ground.
D) I fear for myself, and anyone else who lacked the common sense to stop reading your posts after the first one.
b.
p.s. I would rather be Irrationally hopeful, than mindlessly hateful.
You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
A) You realize that this is a direct contradiction right?
First off, that was me. Second off, of course you can.
He voted ALONG WITH HIS PARTY and then he also voted on shit to the extreme left that even other democrats couldn't stomach.
So shut the fuck up about 'direct contradictions'. It's common fact that Obama was the left-most sentor in washington.
Edit: Here's the link cuz you are too fucking lazy to google.
He voted ALONG WITH HIS PARTY and then he also voted on shit to the extreme left that even other democrats couldn't stomach.
You didn't actually just say that did you? Wow... I'll use smaller words.
If he voted so far left on some issues, that the other democrats couldn't stomach it, then he did not vote along with his party...
And my apologies to brent, someone else quoted it... i assumed it was part of his non-sensical rant.
I'm not arguing the politics of this with you, I'm arguing the personal attacks and contradictions... I have no interest in whether Obama is a good or great, I take issue with children confusing Ranting with Arguing.
Brent - I love ya, we both share the same core religious beliefs, and I'm one of the most conservative people on this forum. That said, your recent comments in this and the Canadian election thread worry me a bit. Do I believe the end is coming, yes. Will it be this year, 10 years, my lifetime? I have no idea. Should I adopt a "who cares" attitude because of it, I don't think so. What I do think is that the end times is a small portion of a belief system that encompasses every facet of life. Just pointing out the doom'n'gloom part is a fairly narrow piece of it, and it makes no sense to those who don't fully understand it, and it certainly isn't going to attract anyone. I honestly believe that the way I live, and the type of people my kids are (and become) is far more of a witness than anything I could possibly say. I'm not saying to hide your beliefs (I certainly don't), but the way you're presenting them right now is counter-productive to what I think you're trying to accomplish.
As far as Palin, she scares me. Not because of her religious beliefs, but because based on what I've seen, she's not competent to be VP. And Hitler persecuted the Jews, not the Israelis (as Johnnie mentioned - even the Jews didn't consider themselves "Israelis" during that period), and I think it's a big stretch to extend that statement into "denying the holocaust".
As far as the rest of this thread. I agree with those who think Obama received less media scrutiny than McCain, but that doesn't mean he got a free pass, or that McCain didn't run one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen. I'm too far right too like the democrats, but the republicans didn't provide a viable alternative, and Bush gave them a really bad name for the past number of years. Personally, I'm more concerned with the fact that the best the current system could come up with is a choice between Obama and McCain, and not as much with which of those 2 won. And as a Canadian, I'm really concerned that the majority of us care way more about our southern neighbors than our own government.
Anyway, with all that said and the election done, here's my final thought. Despite Obama's lead during the entire campaign, I still questioned whether a majority of Americans would vote for an African American. I'm glad they proved me wrong and made history, and despite my personal political leanings, God Bless Obama and best of luck to him dealing with the mess he's going to inherit.
"MEET ME AT BRISTOL." is one of the more vile things I've subjected myself to recently (and I watched the VP debate). That's a direct disrepect of Rob and the forum. If I was Rob, I would ban you from the location for having the sheer AUDACITY (see what i did there?) to use my house as a staging ground.
QFT
Brent, you've been wayyyyy over the line in this thread and continually misunderstanding what was said to you.
First off this whole thread is in the wrong section, this section is supposed to be about poker.
I have re-read my first thread which started this whole boo haa . Usually I tend to be a little more diplomatic when I talk about things like this because I know I am in the minority in my world view. I actually decided to share my thought with the world in large. I haven’t really done that in the last 20 years. Most of time I just sit and read and keep my opinions to myself. To be honest, I don’t know why this election got me so riled up. I certainly didn’t give to hoots about our own election ( although I did vote and vote so that we could have a minority government).
For 2 years I have followed all the networks in relation to this election. It seems to me that from the get go two networks were really in Obama’s camp MSNBC and CNN. ABC Sunday morning show was slanted toward the left but gave the right it’s due, they tried to be journalist about the whole thing. I can’t prove it but I think CNN and MSNBC mandate was to get Obama elected. I don’t know how many times during his two year run including right up until June in the last of the primary’s against Clinton that Candy Crowly said “we still don’t know the man …” Yet how long was it before we knew everything about Sarah Palin.
I really don’t believe my negativity calling Obama a socialist and on the brink of being a communist is that far off. It is not intended to be hateful as some have speculated. And I don’t believe it is as hateful as people are about George Bush. That being said it is an opinion and I decided to give it in a forceful way.
Steve and I have had several discussions on this forum and disagree on lots, but I don’t hate him or tell him he is wrong because his opinion differs from mine. I respect him for being a man who thinks for himself without ever getting personal about it.
We can argue about whether or not she Palin is corrupt, I happen to think the a cop should be fired for using a taser gun on his kid, drinking and driving a police car and illegal shootings. It is unfortunate that it happens to be her ex brother in law but it was. Let’s not forget she is the governor of the state and should be able to decide who has the best interest of the community. The man who was fired was fired for not follow orders to get his budget in place. He said it couldn’t be done, she fired him and brought someone in who could bring in the budget she was looking for. When one gets fired they always almost want to put the blame on someone else. This is easily done in this situation. Why is he being given the benefit of the doubt and she isn’t. The man himself said Sarah or Todd never talked to him about her ex brother in law yet she was the one put on trial. I would think people should be outraged that a cop used a taser gun on a child regardless of how safe he thought it that a cop was scene by people drinking and driving but the focus immediately came on her because she was now in the nation spotlight. I think she was brave to except this position known what she was going to be putting people through. The easy thing would have been to say no, I have a daughter who is pregnant I am being investigated I think it would be better for you to choose someone else.
We can debate whether or not she sunk McCain or that Obama ran a great campaign or a combination of both. I happened to think Obama ran an unbelievable campaign. Remember this is a guy who walked into the senate 4 years ago and then began his bid for the presidency of the United States 2 years later. He had no experience whatsoever and won his parties nomination and convinced Americans to vote for him to be the leader of the free world.
In reality there is no way that the republicans should have even been close in this election. I have lived several years in the states both in Tennessee and Florida. I went to school with Americans and have an informed opinion by seeing them react in everyday life in everyday situations. This is a country that is truly divided in there politics. It doesn’t matter who is on the ticket, 42% will vote for the Democrats and 42% will vote for Republicans and the last 16% changes each election on who they will vote for and that is only of the people who do vote. This year it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 130 million who voted out of the 305,596,253 in the USA.
Steve and I will continue to disagree but that is a little of where I am coming from and I know with Steve it never gets personal.
You're a fascist that would make Hitler look like a Care Bear.
You have little to no insight into the Middle East.
Your favorite CD is by Vanilla Ice.
Now this is where it starts to get ugly.
“Fascism is a totalitarian nationalist ideology that advocates itself as being a third position alternative to both capitalism and communism It seeks to form a mass movement of militants who are willing to engage in violence against their political opponents and groups or individuals that the movement deems to be enemies” That is not who I am I don’t know what else to say about that.
I admit that I took really offence to what Nik said. Clearly the Vanillia Ice thing was not intended to be a backhand comment of calling me a racist as I took it, I was wrong . But you goes on to not only calling me ignorant but stupid and others explained it was a joke. here is where my tone really changes and gets personal. I don’t even know who Vanillia Ice is I really thought you were trying to call me a racist without coming right out and saying it.
Nik, you aren’t the first person to call me stupid. I heard it in grade school, I heard it in jr high, I heard it in the 9th grade when I only passed 2 of my classes and spent the summer in summer school trying to earn 2 more credits. My math grade went from a 25% to a 45% and technical I still failed but the teacher put me through because of my hard work. I was told I would never go to college and never would amount to much in life. I think my ex wife the last one to call me stupid before you did.
I eventually got 2 degrees in post graducation school after 7 years: 1) a Graduate of Theology, and 2) a Bachalor of Relgious Education. It is something I spent the first 30 years of my life studying. Do I have a main stream view of religous studies? No, I think I would say I am in the minority. But it is something I believe and have spent meany hours studing.
Even Haddon never called me stupid when I had to prepare math classes for a garde eight class and didn’t understand the material. I had to write a lessons for a project and beable to teach them and didn’t understand it but he spent hours trying to help me get it because it was important to ME that I learn it.
I will sit at a poker table and listen to the conversation and everyone sounds so smart. I look at there job titles and think I am so out of my league, that useally I don’t have much to the conversation unless it turns to sports. Amrican politics is a sport in all reality. It is all about winning and losing. Me and most of the people I discuss politics with don’t get personal about it. I don’t mind someone tell me they I am wrong about something, but stupid is a word I just can’t stand.
I admit I was wrong to challenge you to come toBristol Street to face me. Do I think I would have started a fight, I don’t know, I guess I really wanted to find out if you would call me stupid to my face. What I would have done about it, I don’t know, lets just say it was good we didn’t find out.
Vandal,
If this is Blair, I have enjoyed conversation with you in the past in your living room, I am glad BBCZ corrected you that you were quoting him and not me. Your right, the meet me at Bristol was over the top and if the moderators chose to ban me I would except. I definitely was out of line. Being called stupid is something that doesn’t sit well with me.
Tyson, I always enjoy a good debate with you. Do I think I will ever change you thought process not really, but I hope I challenge you to think. That is the purpose I believe in this discussion.
Trevor,
I told you before on this very forum, that I use to be involved in these general debates and I had grown tired of it and given up and just let people go about there everyday life. Your right maybe I should care, I tried, but am tired. I am looking forward to the end. It can’t come soon enough. I am wrong to think that? Probably, but at this point I don’t really care. I have been trying to find something to care about …
Kristy, you know, you and I don’t agree on much, but I also want you to know I appreciate your comment and the tone in which it was given.
I don’t have time tonight, maybe next week. I write a piece about Israel (not that I am an expert) but what I have learned and yes Tyson and Nik, I have an understanding of the middle east, may not be the same as yours but it is based on 30 years of study in various countries and denominations around the world.
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I laughed, I feared for a friends well being.
All said, I am so happy that in my lifetime that the United States has come so far that it has elected an African American President. I do believe the man is left of center but not as far left as Trudeau. I do believe the man is far more inteligent than I am. Not since Kennedy have I seen the doors of Camilot opened. I just feel good.
I've trying to figure out who the Republicans go with in 2012. Ideas? Can't be Palin, can it?
Umm Brent, go read a history book. There are jews everywhere, the US should have just cut out Long Island and made it a country. Isreal was an artificial country that was created based on Religion for them at the EXSPENSE of others in there area. Take a look at how a Palestinian has lived since '47 and how an Israeli has. Then remember this happened to them because they were muslim and everyone felt sorry for the jews at the time. Can you see how this conflict has become inter generational and will not be solved be demanding they change?
No he was arrested because he opposed the church dominated state.
Oh, by the way Galileo had applied a scientific method and found PROOF!
I do however, find it very difficult to explain dinosaur fossils. Considering how the bible wasn't strong on exemptive* editing (it is a long ass book) you would think that there would be some stories about jesus riding a T-Rex. Hell he resurrected himself and he couldn't ride a dinosaur.... wtf.
I would have seen Passion of the Christ if it had dinosaurs.
Personally, I believe that the planet is just a neutron of a single atom, of a single tissue cell on Gods balls and we are just in waiting for God to scratch em.
I wanna teach that in schools.
* yes I know it is not a word, but I liked it
Hey "Compuease" !
Aren't you ''supposed'' to be a fucking Moderator?
Why are you breaking the forum rules??
Why are you displaying my personal e-mail information on here for everyone to see?!?
Ban me if you must for all the F bombs and such, that's fair enough, but posting my personal e-mail information is hitting way below the belt!!
I think it'll be someone we haven't heard of.. and it really depends on the nations mood under an Obama presidency. If he's doing his thing well, expect another big thinker to run. If he sucks bad, expect Jeb Bush (but I really think he'll try in 2016)..
Aren't you ''supposed'' to be a fucking Moderator?
Why are you breaking the forum rules??
Why are you displaying my personal e-mail information on here for everyone to see?!?
Ban me if you must for all the F bombs and such, that's fair enough, but posting my personal e-mail information is hitting way below the belt!!
Hell, she's been devisive even in her own party. Several republican insiders have said that the party is pretty split on her and more than half of them would not support her if she ran. Granted, she does have four years to work on her interviewing and speech giving skills but she has a long way to go.
I remember being told at one point there are 2 things you don't discuss with friends..... religion and politics and somehow both these things are in here.
Aren't you ''supposed'' to be a fucking Moderator?
Why are you breaking the forum rules??
Why are you displaying my personal e-mail information on here for everyone to see?!?
Ban me if you must for all the F bombs and such, that's fair enough, but posting my personal e-mail information is hitting way below the belt!!
I admit that I'm nervous about this. There's a lot of militia crazies out there that would love to stomp out something as momentous as Obama's presidency.
But if it were to ever happen, I can't imagine the rioting all across the country, never mind race.. He's the beacon of hope to 52% of the population. You can't just take it away without major reprecussions.
a) Love the avatar.
b) The assassination thing is something I'm really worried about. I mean, we've got enough problems keeping a white president safe. Now we have to worry about racist nutjobs.
The last time such a controversial figure held office (Kennedy for being a Catholic of all things) it didn't end well. Not to say that he was killed for being a Catholic but it was big deal when he was running and a lot of speculation was made in regards to him being a target.
One hopes that such lunatic fringe types, that want a man out of office purely based on his physical traits, don't succeed but I don't think anyone would be surprised if it happened.
4 years?
He won't make it until inauguration.
Then Bush and marshal law.
The anti-christ will come with great admonishment.
2012 - the end is near
I'm with Joe. <1 year.
MMMMMMMMM.....Taint.......
How much? I'll take that bet.
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You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
A) You realize that this is a direct contradiction right?
He cannot both "vote along party lines" and be the LEFTEST senator in the whole damn place. He's does one, or he's the other.
C) I just re-read "Kristy was banned" thread for 6 months ago. (someone bumped it) Interesting read, but if someone was banned for 7 days for language or insults, you should be thrown off the internet. Your complete, repeated, and utter GARBAGE you spewed about "MEET ME AT BRISTOL." is one of the more vile things I've subjected myself to recently (and I watched the VP debate). That's a direct disrepect of Rob and the forum. If I was Rob, I would ban you from the location for having the sheer AUDACITY (see what i did there?) to use my house as a staging ground.
D) I fear for myself, and anyone else who lacked the common sense to stop reading your posts after the first one.
b.
p.s. I would rather be Irrationally hopeful, than Mindlessly hateful.
I want to father your children . . .
First off, that was me. Second off, of course you can.
He voted ALONG WITH HIS PARTY and then he also voted on shit to the extreme left that even other democrats couldn't stomach.
So shut the fuck up about 'direct contradictions'. It's common fact that Obama was the left-most sentor in washington.
Edit: Here's the link cuz you are too fucking lazy to google.
NPR: Obama Ranked Most Liberal Senator in 2007
You didn't actually just say that did you? Wow... I'll use smaller words.
If he voted so far left on some issues, that the other democrats couldn't stomach it, then he did not vote along with his party...
And my apologies to brent, someone else quoted it... i assumed it was part of his non-sensical rant.
I'm not arguing the politics of this with you, I'm arguing the personal attacks and contradictions... I have no interest in whether Obama is a good or great, I take issue with children confusing Ranting with Arguing.
yes plz, leave this thread to people who actually know what they are talking about.
As far as Palin, she scares me. Not because of her religious beliefs, but because based on what I've seen, she's not competent to be VP. And Hitler persecuted the Jews, not the Israelis (as Johnnie mentioned - even the Jews didn't consider themselves "Israelis" during that period), and I think it's a big stretch to extend that statement into "denying the holocaust".
As far as the rest of this thread. I agree with those who think Obama received less media scrutiny than McCain, but that doesn't mean he got a free pass, or that McCain didn't run one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen. I'm too far right too like the democrats, but the republicans didn't provide a viable alternative, and Bush gave them a really bad name for the past number of years. Personally, I'm more concerned with the fact that the best the current system could come up with is a choice between Obama and McCain, and not as much with which of those 2 won. And as a Canadian, I'm really concerned that the majority of us care way more about our southern neighbors than our own government.
Anyway, with all that said and the election done, here's my final thought. Despite Obama's lead during the entire campaign, I still questioned whether a majority of Americans would vote for an African American. I'm glad they proved me wrong and made history, and despite my personal political leanings, God Bless Obama and best of luck to him dealing with the mess he's going to inherit.
QFT
Brent, you've been wayyyyy over the line in this thread and continually misunderstanding what was said to you.
xoxox Kristy
I have re-read my first thread which started this whole boo haa . Usually I tend to be a little more diplomatic when I talk about things like this because I know I am in the minority in my world view. I actually decided to share my thought with the world in large. I haven’t really done that in the last 20 years. Most of time I just sit and read and keep my opinions to myself. To be honest, I don’t know why this election got me so riled up. I certainly didn’t give to hoots about our own election ( although I did vote and vote so that we could have a minority government).
For 2 years I have followed all the networks in relation to this election. It seems to me that from the get go two networks were really in Obama’s camp MSNBC and CNN. ABC Sunday morning show was slanted toward the left but gave the right it’s due, they tried to be journalist about the whole thing. I can’t prove it but I think CNN and MSNBC mandate was to get Obama elected. I don’t know how many times during his two year run including right up until June in the last of the primary’s against Clinton that Candy Crowly said “we still don’t know the man …” Yet how long was it before we knew everything about Sarah Palin.
I really don’t believe my negativity calling Obama a socialist and on the brink of being a communist is that far off. It is not intended to be hateful as some have speculated. And I don’t believe it is as hateful as people are about George Bush. That being said it is an opinion and I decided to give it in a forceful way.
Steve and I have had several discussions on this forum and disagree on lots, but I don’t hate him or tell him he is wrong because his opinion differs from mine. I respect him for being a man who thinks for himself without ever getting personal about it.
We can argue about whether or not she Palin is corrupt, I happen to think the a cop should be fired for using a taser gun on his kid, drinking and driving a police car and illegal shootings. It is unfortunate that it happens to be her ex brother in law but it was. Let’s not forget she is the governor of the state and should be able to decide who has the best interest of the community. The man who was fired was fired for not follow orders to get his budget in place. He said it couldn’t be done, she fired him and brought someone in who could bring in the budget she was looking for. When one gets fired they always almost want to put the blame on someone else. This is easily done in this situation. Why is he being given the benefit of the doubt and she isn’t. The man himself said Sarah or Todd never talked to him about her ex brother in law yet she was the one put on trial. I would think people should be outraged that a cop used a taser gun on a child regardless of how safe he thought it that a cop was scene by people drinking and driving but the focus immediately came on her because she was now in the nation spotlight. I think she was brave to except this position known what she was going to be putting people through. The easy thing would have been to say no, I have a daughter who is pregnant I am being investigated I think it would be better for you to choose someone else.
We can debate whether or not she sunk McCain or that Obama ran a great campaign or a combination of both. I happened to think Obama ran an unbelievable campaign. Remember this is a guy who walked into the senate 4 years ago and then began his bid for the presidency of the United States 2 years later. He had no experience whatsoever and won his parties nomination and convinced Americans to vote for him to be the leader of the free world.
In reality there is no way that the republicans should have even been close in this election. I have lived several years in the states both in Tennessee and Florida. I went to school with Americans and have an informed opinion by seeing them react in everyday life in everyday situations. This is a country that is truly divided in there politics. It doesn’t matter who is on the ticket, 42% will vote for the Democrats and 42% will vote for Republicans and the last 16% changes each election on who they will vote for and that is only of the people who do vote. This year it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 130 million who voted out of the 305,596,253 in the USA.
Steve and I will continue to disagree but that is a little of where I am coming from and I know with Steve it never gets personal.
Brent
Those are 2 pretty ignorant statements.......
I have as much to back up these statements:
You're a fascist that would make Hitler look like a Care Bear.
You have little to no insight into the Middle East.
Your favorite CD is by Vanilla Ice.
Now this is where it starts to get ugly.
“Fascism is a totalitarian nationalist ideology that advocates itself as being a third position alternative to both capitalism and communism It seeks to form a mass movement of militants who are willing to engage in violence against their political opponents and groups or individuals that the movement deems to be enemies” That is not who I am I don’t know what else to say about that.
I admit that I took really offence to what Nik said. Clearly the Vanillia Ice thing was not intended to be a backhand comment of calling me a racist as I took it, I was wrong . But you goes on to not only calling me ignorant but stupid and others explained it was a joke. here is where my tone really changes and gets personal. I don’t even know who Vanillia Ice is I really thought you were trying to call me a racist without coming right out and saying it.
Nik, you aren’t the first person to call me stupid. I heard it in grade school, I heard it in jr high, I heard it in the 9th grade when I only passed 2 of my classes and spent the summer in summer school trying to earn 2 more credits. My math grade went from a 25% to a 45% and technical I still failed but the teacher put me through because of my hard work. I was told I would never go to college and never would amount to much in life. I think my ex wife the last one to call me stupid before you did.
I eventually got 2 degrees in post graducation school after 7 years: 1) a Graduate of Theology, and 2) a Bachalor of Relgious Education. It is something I spent the first 30 years of my life studying. Do I have a main stream view of religous studies? No, I think I would say I am in the minority. But it is something I believe and have spent meany hours studing.
Even Haddon never called me stupid when I had to prepare math classes for a garde eight class and didn’t understand the material. I had to write a lessons for a project and beable to teach them and didn’t understand it but he spent hours trying to help me get it because it was important to ME that I learn it.
I will sit at a poker table and listen to the conversation and everyone sounds so smart. I look at there job titles and think I am so out of my league, that useally I don’t have much to the conversation unless it turns to sports. Amrican politics is a sport in all reality. It is all about winning and losing. Me and most of the people I discuss politics with don’t get personal about it. I don’t mind someone tell me they I am wrong about something, but stupid is a word I just can’t stand.
I admit I was wrong to challenge you to come toBristol Street to face me. Do I think I would have started a fight, I don’t know, I guess I really wanted to find out if you would call me stupid to my face. What I would have done about it, I don’t know, lets just say it was good we didn’t find out.
Vandal,
If this is Blair, I have enjoyed conversation with you in the past in your living room, I am glad BBCZ corrected you that you were quoting him and not me. Your right, the meet me at Bristol was over the top and if the moderators chose to ban me I would except. I definitely was out of line. Being called stupid is something that doesn’t sit well with me.
Tyson, I always enjoy a good debate with you. Do I think I will ever change you thought process not really, but I hope I challenge you to think. That is the purpose I believe in this discussion.
Trevor,
I told you before on this very forum, that I use to be involved in these general debates and I had grown tired of it and given up and just let people go about there everyday life. Your right maybe I should care, I tried, but am tired. I am looking forward to the end. It can’t come soon enough. I am wrong to think that? Probably, but at this point I don’t really care. I have been trying to find something to care about …
Kristy, you know, you and I don’t agree on much, but I also want you to know I appreciate your comment and the tone in which it was given.
I don’t have time tonight, maybe next week. I write a piece about Israel (not that I am an expert) but what I have learned and yes Tyson and Nik, I have an understanding of the middle east, may not be the same as yours but it is based on 30 years of study in various countries and denominations around the world.
Prophet 22