I am to upset I will post a more thoughtful answer later in the day. Anti science ... and what ever anti else you said.
It amazes me that just because you oppose Omaba race is automotically throw in your face. THE GUY IS 50% white, but you never hear about.
Nik, I noticed you didn't answer the racism charge! Are you calling me a racist with that comment!
Brent
What the hell are you talking about? When did I mention race? The only mention of race is by you?!?!?! Did you even read my post? READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! I've never written that you're racist, now .....unable to read, maybe.
It's clear you missed the gist of his post Brent. He said he could also make statements without backing them up. I personally found the Vanilla Ice comment an entertaining bit of comic relief in this somewhat heated back and forth. Clearly nothing was intended to be personal or offensive.
The investigation into Palin found that she did abuse her power because she was acting solely on her own self interest in the trooper gate scandal. Any way you slice it, she is clearly just another of the many high ranking corrupt Republicans (Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, the many others associated with Abramowitz, etc.. etc.. etc...)
The anti-science comment made by 800-over is easy enough to support. The woman is a creationist and believes that dinosaurs and men lived on the earth at the same time since she believes that our planet is no more than 6000 years old.
He got a free pass?? Even you alluded to his supposed free pass. The false claims that he consorted with terrorists: He was part of community organization that also had someone who was once a radical activist in the 70s. They had no connection outside and despite immense digging by Fox news there was nothing more sinister found.
Shtebs, I don't know how far your head is buried in the sand, but its been very obvious to an impartial observer that there has been way more outlandish news stories created about Palin than Obama.
Here is why Obama got a free pass: HE HAS NO FUCKING RECORD PEOPLE! That should be the media story every day in every newspaper: "GUY THAT HAS NO HISTORY, NO RECORD AND FLIPFLOPS ON ISSUES CONTINUES PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN". Open your mind and think about this one: Ask an Obama supporter what he's like and how he'll be as a president. Do you know that everyone, including his own campaign people will say "I think that he'll..".. It's always a guess because the guy has no history.
You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
Now Shtebs, I don't know if you are aware of this, but politicians bullshit a LOT when they are running for election. The only chance you have of seperating the bullshit from the fact is what they're done in the past. If your candidate DOESN'T HAVE A PAST, how the hell do you know whats real and whats crap? Do you understand the level of blind trust that has been put into Obama? It's STAGGERING.
Obama's a very smart guy, he tells every audience what they want to hear. During the primary race, he was more left than Clinton. During the election he was more center than McCain (but still skews right center a lot).
The same was said of Gore and Kerry when they ran against the Republican juggernaut
Irrelevant. If you are harbouring ill will towards W's republican party you can put that to bed. It was dead the moment McCain won the nomination.
The fact that the McCain campaign only slinged slightly less mud does not constitute a free pass.
Actually, Obama ran the FAR dirtier campaign than McCain did. Independent sources verify that.
Also, there is a good reason we know so much about Palin. Because there is much more stuff that needs to be known about her
And with this, I'll stop reading your posts ever. You need to know MORE ABOUT YOUR PRESIDENTIAL NOMINIEE THAN YOU DO THE VEEP. If you can't grasp that simple concept then it's pointless to try to explain things to you.
Easy now 800, every one of those charges is just as easily placed at the feet of Democrats as well.
Are you saying that with Gore as president they'd have gone to Iraq? Are you saying that the democrats defended torture as reasonable? Wait that would be Bush/Cheney.
Actually, those were pretty much the words from Obama's mouth. He wants to go sit down with the terrorists of the world and shoot the shit with no strings. Iran has already said it wants to wipe Israel off the planet publically, so it seems reasonable that it would be a topic that would occur during Obamas sitdown in some cave in Pakistan.
What the hell are you talking about? When did I mention race? The only mention of race is by you?!?!?! Did you even read my post? READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! I've never written that you're racist, now .....unable to read, maybe.
Nik
Go ahead and take a poll and tell me how many thought your Vanilla Ice reference wasn't a back door comment calling me a racist. You can deny it all you want, but that was the intent of the comment.
There is still room for you to sign uo tonight at Bristol.
I hope Palin runs in 4 years....cause if she's the best the GOP can come up with will have another 4 years of democrats. Which is much better than the War mongering, anti science, anti freedom, (dare I say anti poker) administration.
Actually, it's all on Obama's shoulders now about how long the Democrats stay in power. The GOP is going to have to go back to the drawing board and discard the placation of the religious right that won W two terms. Personally, I'm hoping they go back to ruthless fiscal conservatism cuz I'll never see it happen in Canada so the U.S. is my only outlet.
Nik
Go ahead and take a poll and tell me how many thought your Vanilla Ice reference wasn't a back door comment calling me a racist. You can deny it all you want, but that was the intent of the comment.
There is still room for you to sign uo tonight at Bristol.
Brent
I don't know if you are racist....but I do know that you're stupid.
And just for the record...I mulled over using Milli Vanilli as your fav band. I thought Vanilla was a little more of the "Poseur" feel I was looking for. Either way....you've apparently still not read my post.
I don't know if you are racist....but I do know that you're stupid.
And just for the record...I mulled over using Milli Vanilli as your fav band. I thought Vanilla was a little more of the "Poseur" feel I was looking for. Either way....you've apparently still not read my post.
I have read your post and happen to disagree with you comments. Your response it to call me ignorant and stupid.
Are you saying that with Gore as president they'd have gone to Iraq? Are you saying that the democrats defended torture as reasonable? Wait that would be Bush/Cheney.
Don't know about Iraq as far as the current war goes. But I know Obama wants to go more into Afghanistan, possibly Pakistan and who knows about Iran. And that's just the warmonger part.
I have read your post and happen to disagree with you comments. Your response it to call me ignorant and stupid.
Are you coming to Bristol tonight?
No you don't disagree with me......you said I'm calling you racist, which I'm not. Accusing me is not "disagreement". Telling me my thoughts is not disagreement. If you can't see that then I stick to my original statement. And why would I come to Bristol so that you could fabricate more insults that I've apparently created? You sound like a bully. I would suggest that your "come to Bristol" is more of a challenge than anything else. Do you need to see me? Or woud you rather have some tea with me at Tim Hortons? Either way I don't want to be seen with someone who listens to Vanilla Ice. Speaking of which:
The thing that kills me is that I referenced Hitler AND the Care Bears and what you're upset about is Vanilla Ice!?! Although as BBC put it...Vanilla Ice is pretty lame.
Don't know about Iraq as far as the current war goes. But I know Obama wants to go more into Afghanistan, possibly Pakistan and who knows about Iran. And that's just the warmonger part.
I'm pretty sure he wants to leave Iraq and get Osama=>Afghanistan. Either way they're already there.
I'm pretty sure he wants to leave Iraq and get Osama=>Afghanistan. Either way they're already there.
All I'm saying is that the Democrats are just as warmongery as the Republicans - they just want to go to more popular places. They are also anti-science on such issues as global warming and the economy (if you consider economics a science). And anti-freedom on a lot of issues.
Both parties are the same on issues that matter. I fear there will not be nearly as much change as people are hoping for from Obama.
No you don't disagree with me......you said I'm calling you racist, which I'm not. Accusing me is not "disagreement". Telling me my thoughts is not disagreement. If you can't see that then I stick to my original statement. And why would I come to Bristol so that you could fabricate more insults that I've apparently created? You sound like a bully. I would suggest that your "come to Bristol" is more of a challenge than anything else. Do you need to see me? Or woud you rather have some tea with me at Tim Hortons? Either way I don't want to be seen with someone who listens to Vanilla Ice. Speaking of which:
The thing that kills me is that I referenced Hitler AND the Care Bears and what you're upset about is Vanilla Ice!?! Although as BBC put it...Vanilla Ice is pretty lame.
Anyone who knows me knows I don't listent to Vanilla Ice, while others may by the crap about it being lame, there are thousand to choose from for lame cd, you just choose one that if taken the wrong way implies a back door comment that I am racist. Either way you hide behind a keyboard calling my ignorant and stupid, I just want to see if you had the stones call me stupid to my face!!!
As far as the Hilter comment goes, he is in HELL right now paying for the atrocities of when he tried to wipe Israel of the earth.
If you think I am stupid have the guts to say it to my face not hiding behind a keyboard!
Holy shit Brent, chill out with that racist crap. You made a mistake and misunderstood the purpose of his Vanilla Ice joke. Everyone else got it. I don't even understand how it can be construed as racist. Let it go already.
BBCZ, you feel that Palin shouldn't get so much attention because she'll be VP. The problem with her appointment is partly because it indicates that McCain (who I respected before he appointed) is willing to compromise his values to curry favour with the evangelicals. It's also because with his advanced age, exhisting health issues (4 bouts of skin cancer) and the added stress of taking office there is a good chance that she could end up being president.
If that doesn't scare you then you're not looking close enough.
Also, while I appreciate the added personal jabs, it doesn't help get your point across.
Yes, debates about politics (and religion) can always very heated but they don't need to be. Sharing of ideas, with the occasional lame joke (like 800-over) to lighten things up, should be enough. I guess that's just me though. Whenever I try and have a discussion and offer conflicting view points, opinions and facts someone always takes it as a personal affront and feels the need to abandon rational argument and resort to name calling.
Let me offer a great big hug to everyone who's taking part in this thread.
There, we all buddies again?
Brent, please explain how the silly Vanilla Ice comment was a backhanded reference to you being racist. You haven't done so and none of us can understand why you took it so damn personally.
As stated again and again and again by a few of us here, it was strictly a joke refering to what is widely regarded as a lame CD. It wasn't a personal attack or a challenge to a personal or physical confrontation. You keep trying to make it into one for some reason.
For the last time, LET IT GO!
You've met me, you know me. We've had a few good conversations and debates in the past and I have no personal vendetta or ill will against you. I just can't understand why you're getting so worked up over this silly little thing.
This is an online debate in an online forum, hence the use of a keyboard to communicate his ideas, nothing more.
We're getting off topic and should stick to threatening each other over our political, religious and social views. Those are the things that people usually get worked up over.
If we have to get into a big argument every time 800-over (Nik) makes a really lame joke, this forum will be drowned in negativity. I've known the guy for most of my life and you could fill a congressional library with all the really weak jokes he's made
I don't see how it can be construed that he is calling you a racist by saying that you like Vanilla Ice.
I also think that Rob would agree with me to say that Bristol Street should not be used as a meeting place to dole out vengance - other than on the tables themselves.
BUT I also have a warning for you Nik....
Once Kristy reads this and realizes that you're calling Vanilla Ice lame, Brent's threats will seem tiny in comparison ;-)
I made a TON of money betting on this election when some really obscene value presented itself (ie: Obama right after economy tanked, and some really dumb prop bets by Party that were up for about 1 day :P). I am pleased with the result.
With regards to the actual reality of the campaign, Obama will do fine as president, he is a smart guy who knows to associate himself with smart people. Not really sure how in any way this can be worse then Bush was the past 8 years.
Palin choice made some sense at the time and it was working as it was meant to (though they should have let her be herself more early on even if it meant she was learning the ropes, it set up a bad fall in a way she did not deserve). The economy tanked and suddenly hockey mom charm meant nothing and the choice started to look stale and weak. Still, she will do just fine by this experience.
Obama ran an extremely smart and well thought out campaign in terms of raising money and using money. He inspired a ton of volunteer ground labor that was hard to beat. This allowed him to beat Clinton when really he should not have, and combined with the economy doing what it did it pretty much set up a no win for McCain.
The Obama campaign will probably change the way presidential races are run in future in terms of raising money. Not sure if that is good or bad yet.
I have no real opinion on Vanilla Ice, but I do know that political zealots will latch onto anything and interpret whatever meaning they like on both sides, and good luck winning a debate in that scenario.
I am off to a dentist appointment, and I hope saying that is not interpreted in any hateful manner. I do not want to be considered an anti-dentite.
Brent, in all seriousness, if you think that Iran currently poses the biggest threat to Israel's continued existence, then you ARE mistaken. Yes, Achmedenijad (sp?) is a loon, but he is not the one in charge of the country. He is merely a figurehead. The mullahs are the ones with the power and, despite all the rhetoric, are far less concerned with destroying Israel than they are with managing the growing demands for liberalization and modernization from within their own borders, without losing control of the reins of power. No, a bigger threat would be Pakistan, a dangerously unstable country, on the brink of civil war, and which already has an arsenal of nuclear warheads, and delivery systems ready to go.
I will agree with some of the other posters that Obama will not "change" things as much as people are expecting him to. After all, Bush and his cromies vested the position with all these goodies, it is anathema to the nature of power/government to give up what it has already gained.
And for the record, Palin was a horrible piece of pandering, which only served to demonstrate that McCain, like all politicians, was more interested in winning than he was in his own integrity. She will now slip back into the obscurity from whence she came.
I made a TON of money betting on this election when some really obscene value presented itself (ie: Obama right after economy tanked, and some really dumb prop bets by Party that were up for about 1 day :P). I am pleased with the result.
With regards to the actual reality of the campaign, Obama will do fine as president, he is a smart guy who knows to associate himself with smart people. Not really sure how in any way this can be worse then Bush was the past 8 years.
Palin choice made some sense at the time and it was working as it was meant to (though they should have let her be herself more early on even if it meant she was learning the ropes, it set up a bad fall in a way she did not deserve). The economy tanked and suddenly hockey mom charm meant nothing and the choice started to look stale and weak. Still, she will do just fine by this experience.
Obama ran an extremely smart and well thought out campaign in terms of raising money and using money. He inspired a ton of volunteer ground labor that was hard to beat. This allowed him to beat Clinton when really he should not have, and combined with the economy doing what it did it pretty much set up a no win for McCain.
The Obama campaign will probably change the way presidential races are run in future in terms of raising money. Not sure if that is good or bad yet.
I have no real opinion on Vanilla Ice, but I do know that political zealots will latch onto anything and interpret whatever meaning they like on both sides, and good luck winning a debate in that scenario.
I am off to a dentist appointment, and I hope saying that is not interpreted in any hateful manner. I do not want to be considered an anti-dentite.
LMAO!! Great Post Dude!! I agree with everything that you have stated here. For the record, I think that Vanilla Ice is cool! Good luck at the dentist bro.
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Easy now 800, every one of those charges is just as easily placed at the feet of Democrats as well.
It amazes me that just because you oppose Omaba race is automotically throw in your face. THE GUY IS 50% white, but you never hear about.
Nik, I noticed you didn't answer the racism charge! Are you calling me a racist with that comment!
Brent
What the hell are you talking about? When did I mention race? The only mention of race is by you?!?!?! Did you even read my post? READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! I've never written that you're racist, now .....unable to read, maybe.
The investigation into Palin found that she did abuse her power because she was acting solely on her own self interest in the trooper gate scandal. Any way you slice it, she is clearly just another of the many high ranking corrupt Republicans (Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, the many others associated with Abramowitz, etc.. etc.. etc...)
The anti-science comment made by 800-over is easy enough to support. The woman is a creationist and believes that dinosaurs and men lived on the earth at the same time since she believes that our planet is no more than 6000 years old.
Shtebs, I don't know how far your head is buried in the sand, but its been very obvious to an impartial observer that there has been way more outlandish news stories created about Palin than Obama.
Here is why Obama got a free pass: HE HAS NO FUCKING RECORD PEOPLE! That should be the media story every day in every newspaper: "GUY THAT HAS NO HISTORY, NO RECORD AND FLIPFLOPS ON ISSUES CONTINUES PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN". Open your mind and think about this one: Ask an Obama supporter what he's like and how he'll be as a president. Do you know that everyone, including his own campaign people will say "I think that he'll..".. It's always a guess because the guy has no history.
You want to call Obama an enabler of change? The fucking guy voted ALONG PARTY LINES every chance that he could. He was the most LEFT senator in the damn place! He never once even challenged his own party.
Now Shtebs, I don't know if you are aware of this, but politicians bullshit a LOT when they are running for election. The only chance you have of seperating the bullshit from the fact is what they're done in the past. If your candidate DOESN'T HAVE A PAST, how the hell do you know whats real and whats crap? Do you understand the level of blind trust that has been put into Obama? It's STAGGERING.
Obama's a very smart guy, he tells every audience what they want to hear. During the primary race, he was more left than Clinton. During the election he was more center than McCain (but still skews right center a lot).
Irrelevant. If you are harbouring ill will towards W's republican party you can put that to bed. It was dead the moment McCain won the nomination.
Actually, Obama ran the FAR dirtier campaign than McCain did. Independent sources verify that.
And with this, I'll stop reading your posts ever. You need to know MORE ABOUT YOUR PRESIDENTIAL NOMINIEE THAN YOU DO THE VEEP. If you can't grasp that simple concept then it's pointless to try to explain things to you.
Are you saying that with Gore as president they'd have gone to Iraq? Are you saying that the democrats defended torture as reasonable? Wait that would be Bush/Cheney.
Actually, those were pretty much the words from Obama's mouth. He wants to go sit down with the terrorists of the world and shoot the shit with no strings. Iran has already said it wants to wipe Israel off the planet publically, so it seems reasonable that it would be a topic that would occur during Obamas sitdown in some cave in Pakistan.
Nik
Go ahead and take a poll and tell me how many thought your Vanilla Ice reference wasn't a back door comment calling me a racist. You can deny it all you want, but that was the intent of the comment.
There is still room for you to sign uo tonight at Bristol.
Brent
Actually, it's all on Obama's shoulders now about how long the Democrats stay in power. The GOP is going to have to go back to the drawing board and discard the placation of the religious right that won W two terms. Personally, I'm hoping they go back to ruthless fiscal conservatism cuz I'll never see it happen in Canada so the U.S. is my only outlet.
I don't know if you are racist....but I do know that you're stupid.
And just for the record...I mulled over using Milli Vanilli as your fav band. I thought Vanilla was a little more of the "Poseur" feel I was looking for. Either way....you've apparently still not read my post.
I have read your post and happen to disagree with you comments. Your response it to call me ignorant and stupid.
Are you coming to Bristol tonight?
Don't know about Iraq as far as the current war goes. But I know Obama wants to go more into Afghanistan, possibly Pakistan and who knows about Iran. And that's just the warmonger part.
No you don't disagree with me......you said I'm calling you racist, which I'm not. Accusing me is not "disagreement". Telling me my thoughts is not disagreement. If you can't see that then I stick to my original statement. And why would I come to Bristol so that you could fabricate more insults that I've apparently created? You sound like a bully. I would suggest that your "come to Bristol" is more of a challenge than anything else. Do you need to see me? Or woud you rather have some tea with me at Tim Hortons? Either way I don't want to be seen with someone who listens to Vanilla Ice. Speaking of which:
The thing that kills me is that I referenced Hitler AND the Care Bears and what you're upset about is Vanilla Ice!?! Although as BBC put it...Vanilla Ice is pretty lame.
I'm pretty sure he wants to leave Iraq and get Osama=>Afghanistan. Either way they're already there.
Dude, it's politics. Who doesn't like a pointless political debate involving participants that can't even vote in it?
Exactly. I'm trying to win an argument on the internet....wait a sec. I'm officially retarded.
I understand completely bro, but all this name calling and wanting to fight at some bar situation is a real drag.
We are all adults, let's all discuss our political and religious differences with respect and mature debate.
FTR: I like Vanilla Ice...does that make me racist too? I read that as being funny, not racist.
"Rollin' in my 5.0, with my rag top down so my hair can blow..."
All I'm saying is that the Democrats are just as warmongery as the Republicans - they just want to go to more popular places. They are also anti-science on such issues as global warming and the economy (if you consider economics a science). And anti-freedom on a lot of issues.
Both parties are the same on issues that matter. I fear there will not be nearly as much change as people are hoping for from Obama.
Anyone who knows me knows I don't listent to Vanilla Ice, while others may by the crap about it being lame, there are thousand to choose from for lame cd, you just choose one that if taken the wrong way implies a back door comment that I am racist. Either way you hide behind a keyboard calling my ignorant and stupid, I just want to see if you had the stones call me stupid to my face!!!
As far as the Hilter comment goes, he is in HELL right now paying for the atrocities of when he tried to wipe Israel of the earth.
If you think I am stupid have the guts to say it to my face not hiding behind a keyboard!
Brent
BBCZ, you feel that Palin shouldn't get so much attention because she'll be VP. The problem with her appointment is partly because it indicates that McCain (who I respected before he appointed) is willing to compromise his values to curry favour with the evangelicals. It's also because with his advanced age, exhisting health issues (4 bouts of skin cancer) and the added stress of taking office there is a good chance that she could end up being president.
If that doesn't scare you then you're not looking close enough.
Also, while I appreciate the added personal jabs, it doesn't help get your point across.
Yes, debates about politics (and religion) can always very heated but they don't need to be. Sharing of ideas, with the occasional lame joke (like 800-over) to lighten things up, should be enough. I guess that's just me though. Whenever I try and have a discussion and offer conflicting view points, opinions and facts someone always takes it as a personal affront and feels the need to abandon rational argument and resort to name calling.
Let me offer a great big hug to everyone who's taking part in this thread.
There, we all buddies again?
As stated again and again and again by a few of us here, it was strictly a joke refering to what is widely regarded as a lame CD. It wasn't a personal attack or a challenge to a personal or physical confrontation. You keep trying to make it into one for some reason.
For the last time, LET IT GO!
You've met me, you know me. We've had a few good conversations and debates in the past and I have no personal vendetta or ill will against you. I just can't understand why you're getting so worked up over this silly little thing.
This is an online debate in an online forum, hence the use of a keyboard to communicate his ideas, nothing more.
We're getting off topic and should stick to threatening each other over our political, religious and social views. Those are the things that people usually get worked up over.
If we have to get into a big argument every time 800-over (Nik) makes a really lame joke, this forum will be drowned in negativity. I've known the guy for most of my life and you could fill a congressional library with all the really weak jokes he's made
Calm down.
I don't see how it can be construed that he is calling you a racist by saying that you like Vanilla Ice.
I also think that Rob would agree with me to say that Bristol Street should not be used as a meeting place to dole out vengance - other than on the tables themselves.
BUT I also have a warning for you Nik....
Once Kristy reads this and realizes that you're calling Vanilla Ice lame, Brent's threats will seem tiny in comparison ;-)
I made a TON of money betting on this election when some really obscene value presented itself (ie: Obama right after economy tanked, and some really dumb prop bets by Party that were up for about 1 day :P). I am pleased with the result.
With regards to the actual reality of the campaign, Obama will do fine as president, he is a smart guy who knows to associate himself with smart people. Not really sure how in any way this can be worse then Bush was the past 8 years.
Palin choice made some sense at the time and it was working as it was meant to (though they should have let her be herself more early on even if it meant she was learning the ropes, it set up a bad fall in a way she did not deserve). The economy tanked and suddenly hockey mom charm meant nothing and the choice started to look stale and weak. Still, she will do just fine by this experience.
Obama ran an extremely smart and well thought out campaign in terms of raising money and using money. He inspired a ton of volunteer ground labor that was hard to beat. This allowed him to beat Clinton when really he should not have, and combined with the economy doing what it did it pretty much set up a no win for McCain.
The Obama campaign will probably change the way presidential races are run in future in terms of raising money. Not sure if that is good or bad yet.
I have no real opinion on Vanilla Ice, but I do know that political zealots will latch onto anything and interpret whatever meaning they like on both sides, and good luck winning a debate in that scenario.
I am off to a dentist appointment, and I hope saying that is not interpreted in any hateful manner. I do not want to be considered an anti-dentite.
I will agree with some of the other posters that Obama will not "change" things as much as people are expecting him to. After all, Bush and his cromies vested the position with all these goodies, it is anathema to the nature of power/government to give up what it has already gained.
And for the record, Palin was a horrible piece of pandering, which only served to demonstrate that McCain, like all politicians, was more interested in winning than he was in his own integrity. She will now slip back into the obscurity from whence she came.
Jingal in 2012. You heard it here first.
LMAO!! Great Post Dude!! I agree with everything that you have stated here. For the record, I think that Vanilla Ice is cool! Good luck at the dentist bro.
Are you calling me gay? Cause I'm not. I mean I've tried it a few times, who hasn't? But I didn't like it.