Ontario Street Racing Law
I know this is a bit outdated but some interesting stats are finally out....
Yes, my gf just got pinched going 145 in a 90....pfff!
Check it out...
Critics say police misusing new street-racing laws
Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Petition
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Yes, my gf just got pinched going 145 in a 90....pfff!
Check it out...
Critics say police misusing new street-racing laws
Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Petition
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Comments
I don't see why any car really needs to be capable of driving more than say 140km tops...
Mark
Unless someone is dying or having a baby, there's no need for it.
Mark
True you don't need to go 50+, but the penalty is way too severe. The thing the lawmakers don't realize is that, i'm pretty sure highway traffic has increased in speed. Now everybody is driving 140 on the 100s. 407 absolute min speed is 120, and i have to go 150+ to pass. I like it but kinda goes against what they tried to do with the law.
Though, I have to say that 100km/h is way too slow for a maximum. That should be increased, but they should put in new laws that fine people for poor driving ettiquette. There is way too much of that out there.
They are pushing this too far already by openly saying any modified car is a street racer. This is really unf^&king real that you the public are letting them do this.
"Police see these two groups -- the car enthusiasts and the street racers --as mostly one and the same."
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"The thing the lawmakers don't realize is that, i'm pretty sure highway traffic has increased in speed. Now everybody is driving 140 on the 100s. 407 absolute min speed is 120, and i have to go 150+ to pass."
Let's boil this down to its actual meaning...
"Everyone is ignoring this law, so we (I) should (will) not enforce it / ignore it / get away with it if I am caught."
I detest this line of thinking. It's not a shot on actyper there, and it's not just in this regard, but if something is illegal, it's illegal. If something is commonly disregarded, that doesn't make things right or wrong.
Mark
Your line stinks. Legality and 'right and wrong' are distinctly different as well.
I'm sincerely shocked that you are the one making this absurd argument, where does progressive thought and evolving society fit in your narrow approach?
and stop signing your posts, that is uber-ghey: we know who you are.
It's not like you can accidentally look down and see you are going fast .
You have to know you are speed when going 50 Km/hr or more over the speed limit, and if you are going that fast you have to know you are taking a chance for a ticket or worse.
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I should have better stated my line of thought....
I knew I'd get burned on the "right / wrong" bit... morals, ethics, what have you.. fine I'll give up that one. But the legality and therefore "should it be enforced" line I stand by....
Mark
7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
11. Any person charged with an offence has the right
d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal;
12. Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment.
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is there for a reason. That the Police have been given powers under simple traffic law in direct violation of your rights and freedoms dictated under this document should scare the shit out of you.
7. Due process is a major component of fundamental justice.
8. Road side seizures of your property for an extended period of time without trial is messed up (unless that which is being seized is unsafe).
11. The officer is not an independent tribunal. Neither is the entire police force since they directly profit from the fines being given out.
12. Try going without your car for a week. I don't have anything against this if that's the punishment after trial but to let some Police office do this on the side of the road is unreasonable. It will be abused period.
So I take it you also object to the RIDE program?
The RIDE program was challenged all the way to the Supreme court since it did in fact violate your rights under the Charter. The Supreme Court acknowledged this but still made a very rare exception to the rule allowing the Police to operate the RIDE programs anyway. They were given very clear and narrow operating procedures on how to conduct program so as to allow little room for abuse.
I actually support it. They did that the right way.
But that is not what they are doing with the street racing. They are using public fear and manipulation to take things even farther.
Seriously. Let's say 60% of prostitutes wear short skirts and the city has a major prostitution problem. Should the Police consider anyone with a short skirt a prostitute and pre-emptively punish them?
That is exactly what they are doing with modified cars. Since I have after market rims I am to them the same deviant that goes out racing on the streets putting everyone's lives at risk. That my friend is pure bullshit. They are fanning the fear flames to a greater end (money).
There is no money being made in the RIDE program. They are simply getting those that are currently drunk off the roads for that moment and off to trial later. I accept that violation of my rights in the form it was crafted by the highest court in our Country.
As for your example, if Mark is walking down University Ave in a short skirt, and THAT is where the hookers ply their trade, then I would want him to suffer a closer look. By extension, if your modified car arouses suspicion due to it's appearance, you have to accept that you might bear closer scrutiny because of it. As has been stated in various articles, some of this equipment IS dangerous if not installed properly, and is not readily seen in drive pasts. It is just a different sort of preemption. Ask a Harley owner how often he/she gets stopped by the cops vs. a crotch rocket.
The Street Racing Law is a bad one, but so is the Ride Program. I would go as far as to say that the RIDE program is a MORE serious infringement on my Rights under the Charter than the former is, notwithstanding that it has survived a challenge. The Supremes are not infallible. Lastly, if you are that vehemently opposed, challenge it's Constitutionality. We might even get the Constitution thrown out as a result. . .
I'm not saying going 50 over is in any way right. My response to my gf afterwards was to just support her and help in understanding how to accept responsibility....Well the other way is to try and help her find out the best way to get a reduced charge....anyway....those kids a year or so back that ran into that cab driver in Toronto killing him are responsible for the overreaction here by the Ontario Government. Funny how things trickle down....
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Engine type3-cylinder, inline
Displacement999 cc
Net power70 hp @ 5,800 rpm
Net torque68 lb-ft @ 4,500 rpm
Bore x stroke72 x 81.8 mm
Boost pressure control-
Maximum charge pressure-
Compression ratio10.0:1
Fuel delivery
Electric multipoint injection
CO2 emissions130 g/km
Maximum speed145 km/h
If I hammer the peddle on a wide open hwy with no other cars near me and get caught, I am street racing according to the law.
I say bullshit. I am speeding..........thats all!
This is the important part....at 49 over you get a ticket...you plead it down to 29 over and get a $250 ticket....1 km higher and you lose your car/license(and a license is given to your insurance company to commit sodomy<they already have one but its with their middle finger and now they get to use their fist>). It's bs and it should be repealed. You were speeding...not racing. If I punch someone in the face I get off with fewer problems. (probably suspended sentence/possibly no record). And yeah I like brackets! Get over it!
For the record I was caught doing 50km over about 18 years ago....only car in the area...paid $75 and that was it. Now I'd be fucked for 6 years(insurance premiums)
All fine an dandy until it's you. How about getting interrogated because you play poker?
I have no issue with this law whatsoever. Far as I'm concerned, you're not only putting YOUR life, and the lives of any passengers, but god know who's life as well. At speeds that fast, there is ZERO time to react to a kid popping out of a highway ditch, or an old lady in walker trying to cross the street. And you'll never convince me that coming around a bend in the road that fast would be safe.
Say what you will, I support this law. Should be anything over +30kph. Matter of fact, shouldn't even be allowed to manufacture cars that go that fast on public roads.
I was on back roads where I thought the speed limit was 80km/h, and I was doing 119km/h, turns out the road was a 60km/h, my fault for not paying attention to the posted speed limit, and yes I was still speeding at either speed.
Yes my car got towed and my liscense was suspended for 7 days and I couldn't get my car out of the impound until the suspension was over.
But I did not get charged with steet racing. I got charged with "Stunt Driving" in a shitty little PT Cruiser
As Kristy mentioned, legality and morality are very different, but so is legislative power and enforcement. The police are enforcing the law as it was written, so not sure why everyone is blaming them instead of the government?
I'm torn about the immediate suspension. I really dislike the potential for abuse here as well as the seeming loss of due process. However, if somebody is caught in the act of committing a crime, I'm not sure that immediate preventative measures are uncalled for. If somebody is caught in the act of <insert illegal activity>, is the normal practice of detaining them prior to a bail hearing also a violation of their "rights & freedoms"? Slightly off-topic (and I know I'm in the minority), but I'd really love to see a "charter of responsibilities" to balance things out...
As far as the side issue somebody brought up about the common practice of pleading stuff down, that practice bothers me far more than this whole racing law and it's enforcement. Obviously not practical to prosecute every case fully, but having innocent/guilty actually determined with a consistent sentence would be so much better than the current bartering process. Maybe use the money from the "racing" fines to fund the courts a bit better?
So while I think there might be a better way (whether practical or just utopian), I think we're better off with this law than without it - I support it.
Have you met my wife?
Seriously, my comment about the Harley riders remains unanswered. If you fit the profile in any way, deal with it. Either by changing the law, changing your rims, or changing how you drive. You are free to do what you want to/with your car, but they are charged with enforcing the law, regardless of how ridiculous it may be.
Sorry AJ, but I am, basically, a libertarian. It is not about need, but about want. Why do I need to play poker? I don't. I want to play, though, so I risk getting caught in the clubs like some of us do. I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions, and resent someone telling me what is good and/or bad for me, or what I can(not) do. That is why I have never fought a speeding ticket. I know I speed, although less often now, so I pay the fine. But this law is serious overreach. They are depriving you of your property without due process, or proper legal recourse. The Police, in these cases are cop, prosecutor, judge, and jury. The objection is not to restricting my ability to speed, it is about restricting my legally established Rights under the Charter. At least, it is for me. After all, I think if my mini-van got up to 50+ over the limit, even in a school zone, she'd come apart at the seams.
mitigating factor: only on major highways that were not busy and never much more than 10-15 over on city streets. so yes, i was endangering myself but not others, IMO. i am very conscious about the speed limit now so i rarely find myself more than 40 over the limit but i did catch myself at 51 over a little while back and had to pull over and spank myself.
do i support the law as it is? no, i guess not but i like some aspects of it. i'd say if it was a clear case of racing or driving in an manner dangerous to the public (like on a city street or busy highway) then yes, it would be a useful thing to get those people off the road as quickly as possible (since they have demonstrated a lack of concern for other members of society), as they do with suspected drunks now. i don't think the law should be going after the guy or girl going a bit fast all by themselves on an empty highway.
*my reponse*
Because it's a want. And because it has nothing to do with surpassing a limit. It's simply a want to go fast.
My record speed is 231 km/h on the 401 with no other cars in site.
/g2
Mark
LOL @ Mark's drunk post!!!!!
(btw how did we make out at .01/.02..when I passed out I think we were nearing $30 and had made at least three mortal enemies...)