Fallsview 2-5 NL and 5-5 NL
I was at Fallsview on Sunday and I saw that they were running a 2-5 NL and 5-5 NL game.
What is the difference between the games?
I couldn't really see any difference other then if one or two players limp the SB is in the hand regardless of what they have. (No option to fold)
What is the difference between the games?
I couldn't really see any difference other then if one or two players limp the SB is in the hand regardless of what they have. (No option to fold)
Comments
Does the 2-5 or the 5-5 attract a certain kind of player?
not really sure... limit the damage for newer players?
i played 5-5. big stacks, crazy preflop play and everyone knew each other but me.. unfortunately only good hands i picked up were UTG or close to it, and they had me fingered TAG (would be o.k. if i had position as there'd already be huge $$$$ in pot) and i wasn't used to the betting amounts (started thinking in real money terms, kind of scary)
5-5 was though enjoyable due to the large stacks, craziness and reasonable time fee....... i don't think it would be very well received if you'd have bot in for the minimum ($100???) at 5-5. i didn't see anyone do it, whereas at 1-2, at least half the table did it.
1-2 is a complete waste of time. too many people buying in $40. max $100 buyin, huge turnover in players, so game moves at snail's pace and the time charge is $5/hh vs. $6/hh in 5/5 (with huge stacks, as i said).
in summary, i think they limit the buyins on certain tables so they can be "baby" games, and no one gets too hurt...
frankly i think these casinos should somehow push limit poker alot more. yeah, it can be boring once you've done NL but i think it's more sustainable in long-term.
BTW, thanks for the heads-up on 2-5... sounds like it suffers from some of the same ailments as 1-2.
Old Niagara currently takes a rake (10% to $5 max) for 1-2 NL.
Is it still session fee rather than rake for 1-2 NL at Fallsview? Does Fallsview even offer 1-2 NL at all?
ScottyZ
Mark...
is a donkey
Forgot which casino I went to for a sec there.
Mark
Fallsview currently offers 2-5, 5-10, 10-20 Limit Hold Em games. All minimum buyins are 10X the BB. There are no maximum buyins on the limit games. All of the Limit games are raked. All bills can play on Limit games (but having chips speeds the game along).
Fallsview is currently offering to start Interest Lists for other games (Omaha, Omaha 8, Stud) or limits (25-50 LHE, 50-100 NLHE, etc). Please let the brush know what you are looking for. NOTE: Fallsview has so far earned a reputation for the No Limit action we have. Brantford and Port Perry are know for their Limit games. Do not be surprised if there are two 1-2 NL, one 2-5 NL, four or five 5-5 NL and a 5-10 NL game going and only 1 or 2 limit tables. That is what our patrons are looking for and what we are providing. We would love to have the Limit game action that Brantford has and hope to draw some of those players to Fallsview. With the new board, it is mush easier to start and maintain and Interest List for other games (and for you to see what is happening with that list!).
Our Poker Room Manager is committed to making Fallsview the top poker room in Canada; if there is something you would like to see (or stop seeing!), please let us know.
thanks for posting... you may be opening up a big can of worms asking for suggestions, as (hopefully i won't offend) there seem like some very obvious and easy improvements that fallsview could make (and #1 is so obvious... maybe there's some specific reason you can't do it)
1) electronic wait board... makes everyone's life so much easier..... also, why aren't you running all the tables at 7:30 pm on saturday night? or frankly, anytime when there's a 2+ hour wait (i do realize sometimes it can be busy unexpectedly, but i'm talking pretty obviously high-demand times - and this might have improved. last time i was there, most tables were going)
2) cards always touch felt .... i see too many people showing their cards to other players as they fold. none of the players are in the hand (usually), but why is anyone showing their folded cards to anyone when the hand is live? yes, you get tough if either (or both) participant is live in the games, but i think it's just poor habit to allow to show their cards... and "show one, show all" is sort of hard when the hand is still live.
3) seen kids aggressively throwing the cards across the table to fold and no one says anything to them.
i've only been to your place 5 times, but i've seen all of these things......... thanks again for posting and asking for feedback. much appreciated....
p.s. do you really need to limit the 1-2NL buyin to 50 BB to protect players new to the table? why are some tables 50BB and others 100BB maximum?
DONE!! Come on down and see it....it is great!!!! And has expedited the process of seating players dramatically!
As the rest of the casino floor goes, so does the poker room. We try to ac comadate all of our patrons by providing sufficient amounts of gaming tables and to minimize the wait times our patrons may have to endure. As I have stated on this forum before, we could run 50 poker tables on any given Friday or Saturday night. However, we are also often down to just one table running on Tuesday/Wednesday nights. So, to run a profitable business, there must be some middle ground. I believe we are running a more and more efficient poker room as time goes by. As for 7:30pm on Saturday nights?? Our numbers show that our poker room gets busier later, so we have a shift change at 8pm and more staff in at 10pm. This covers our levels as best as can be done.
All of these "minor" infractions of the rules is due in large part to the boom of Internet poker. A lot of our patrons are playing live poker for the first time and are not used to these rules. Playing online, people are not familiar with handling chips or cards, they are used to telling friends what they had and showing off their cards (online). Our dealers are instructed to enforce our rules at all times. If you have a situation at the table you feel uncomfortable with, please ask the dealer or ask them to call a floor supervisor over.
Again, rude or over aggressive behavior is not appreciated in our casino. The dealers are there to enforce the rules. If you have a situation, please call a floor supervisor. This action happens, in part again, to a lack of experience playing live poker with real chips, cards, dealers, players.
1-2 NL $40 min $100 max (50BBs)
2-5 NL $60 min $200 max (40BBs)
5-5 NL $100 min $500 max (100BBs)
5-10 NL $200 min $1000 max (100BBs)
There is a difference offered to those players that play higher limits. This is true in most poker rooms and well as the regular gaming tables on the floor. Examples: We offer $5 blackjack tables that have 5 deck continuous shufflers and 7 spots on the table. In the Salon Prive, we offer $100 blackjack tables that are 6 deck shoe dealt, hand shuffled, 6 spot, No Mid Shoe tables. On the floor we have $5 American Roulette. In the Salon we have $100 European Roulette.
Truly appreciate your comments, bbb12. Keep 'em coming.
thanks for the response, much appreciated....
is the electronic board very new? i've been there in last month and didn't notice it (but could be my poor observation).
i agree with you on some of the stuff regarding behaviour... but i've been to other casinos with zero tolerance, and it's much better way. i shouldn't have to be pointing this stuff out constantly. it's pretty obvious (to me, at least) you shouldn't be showing your cards to anyone during live hand (although people talk about what it means when people show their hand to their friend, so maybe it's pretty common ---- seems like a huge obvious no-no to me)
for all my complaints, i will be very happy next time when i see the electronic wait list.
thanks again!
a few followups...
when you say one table on tuesday/wednesday, do you mean that for all poker? (and assume you'd mean the winter).. or did i read that incorrectly?
how much trouble is it to expand the poker? not saying you necessarily should, but is it alot of administration? (and i realize again you'd have poker dealer scheduling/employment issues too).
how large is fallsview compared to other casinos around the world? it must be way up there. (i'm talking everything gaming-related - basically the floor)
thanks for these ones too.
Is there a minimum amount in the pot before Casino Niagara will charge the 10% rake, e.g., no rake for a pot less than $10? 10% rake also seems -EV in the long run for most players, but is CN's rake the lesser of two evils for tight players? Assuming 30 hands/hour and 10 players in the table, it would take a super-tight player with $100 up to 11 hours to bust out at CN even if he didn't win a single hand; at Fallsview, that same player will last less than half as long.
Does CN have 2/5 NL with the same 10% rake? Does CN have free parking or a free shuttle to and from Fallsview? While waiting for the $640 WPT satellite to fill up with the required 20 players at Fallsview, I am thinking of playing the raked NL at CN. Will the Fallsview beeper work while I am at CN?
By the way, I can confirm that Fallsview finally has the LCD table listings in the poker room. There was usually a short waiting list for the 1/2 NL and WPT satellites when I went there on Tuesday.
CN takes $2 on the flop, another $1 if the pot is $30, & so on ($5 max). 10%, $5 cap is fair compared to most clubs, but most clubs take $1 for a flop. CN has free parking for PAC members. Fallsview beeper won't work while at CN.
that was my conclusion..... a huge amount of turnover and players buying chips at table. and then it seems very time-consuming when the dealers balance their cash with those little buttons..... i know the fallsview guy disagreed, but i look at the 1/2 as the "baby table". you can play alot and not get hurt too badly, but you sure can't grind out a long-term winrate. curious if others disagree... the 5/5 seemed pretty juicy, but i had little card luck and didn't have the guts to take on the crazies (i'll have to improve on that - i just wasn't used to the amount of cash)
The ideal situation would be a table with loose-aggressive players with many of the pots going over $50. Â The worst situation would be a table full of Milton Rocks
GET OFF YOUR WALLET AND QUIT WHINING ABOUT A $1 HERE AND $1 THERE ON RAKES.... EVERYBODY IS SICK OF YOUR CHEAPNESS. GO PLAY 10 CENT LIMIT
How do you really feel Folded AA? Never mind ...
Prophet :2h :2s
/g2
I was there this weekend, and maybe it was just my table, but there were too many interruptions in the game.
Too many people were buying chips at the table and so the dealer has to count chips, call someone to verify the transaction,etc.
Then someone else comes once in a while to count all the cash in the dealer tray while everyone waits.
A rake affects the winner (who is usually happy to win) and takes more money off the table whereas a session fee hits everyone (so playing tight is going to hurt). While the dealers I've talked to have said that more money is taken from a rake than a session fee, it's almost an out of sight, out of mind thing.
When I left work last Monday, we were down to one 5-5 NL table.
Yes, it is usually a lot of admin. work to make changes in the poker room or the casino for that matter. The AGCO is one of the strictest gaming commissions in North America.
We are very large. "With over 3,000 slot machines and 150 gaming tables spread over 200,000 square feet, this is among the largest and most impressive casinos in North America.". River Rock Casino has 20 tables in their poker room, the largest in Canada. We have 16...currently.
This has nothing to do with my bankroll or yours... It's coming on here complaining about rakes, satellite prices, blind structures, etc.... QUit whining and just play.. If you don't like format, buyins, structure, then don't play..
Trust me, I would love to play with you in Casino Niagara.. However, I would have to make sure you had a "comped" dinner, a free shuttle to get there, a free $5 voucher for slot play, a ballot to win a new Tshirt, a 2 for 1 voucher spin for roulette and make sure everybody was wearing a Pirana poker jersey, hat and undershirt with matching boxers...
The play takes way too long, too many people think they are on the WPT when some guy bets 25 bucks pre-flop. Also every 10 minutes or so they are either changing dealers it seems or checking chips/decks/floor mice/shoes tied....always something to slow down the game.
I would rather see a rake of 20 bucks a pot then a 6 dollar session fee every half hour. Other than that I will stop my bitching because the game there was ridiculously soft and I made money :fish: . I love guys who raise on any ace and then proceed to try to buy the pot...and check the river....LMAO
Amen
Ha, shut up and play, I love it.
lol