Kitchener-Waterloo Triple Crown Rules/Updates Thread
The Kitchener-Waterloo Triple Crown will honor the first player in the region to win a Bristol Street Night Club and Casino Tournament, a KPS Tournament and a Cook Crew Tournament.* All of these tournaments are local home games in the KW area and are rake free.* They've extablished themselves as the class of the field in home game entertainment.* The poker is among the best in Southwestern Ontario, with several of the top 3 Royal Cup team members competing on a regular basis.*
This will prove to be a crowning achievement for whomever can pull it off.* Here is a listing of the rules and basically how the whole thing works.
For the Tournament to qualify as a KWTC eligible tournament the following is required:
i. It must be a BSNC, KPS or CC run tournament
ii. A minimum of 16 players
iii. There is not a minimum buy-in required
iv. The tournament takes place after April 30/06
How to win the K-W Triple Crown:
i. Sign up for one of the above tournaments
ii. Prior to the "Shuffle up and deal", at the beginning of the tournament, you must pay $1 into the KWTC side pot.* This is required because if you do happen to win the tournament and have not paid the $1 then your win will not be eligible for the KWTC standings.* The standings will be posted in this thread.
iii. Win a BSNC, KPS or CC tournament.* Once you accomplish this, you no longer need to keep feeding the pot with the $1 at that particular tournament.* You would still need to pay the $1 at each of the remaining tournaments that you have failed to win.
iv. *There is no time limit on how long/short the KWTC will run.* If it is won in 3 months or 3 years, the pot will build untill the time it is won.* If at some point a tournament host(s) closes his doors a replacement will be found or the group of players that have atleast one win under their belts will be entered into a freeroll for the money.* (*The above rule is subject to change depending upon popular vote)
v. Monies will be collected and kept in a small safe.* All of the money that comes in will be accounted for and received by the eventual KWTC winner, pot value updates will be added to this thread.*
The organization of this is run in conjunction with Mark Breaton (DrTyore).* Him and I reserve the right to make changes to the above rules in cooporation with* participant majority.*
Good Luck to all who participate!
stp
Total Pot value: $320
Winners: *
Bristol:
Rob "Moose"
Rob "Zithal"
Tye "8Ball"
Josh "Haddon"
Kristy "KristySea"
Mario "itsame"
Sean "sstar"
Nik "800Over"
Shannon "stpboy"
Mark 'DrTyore'
Mike 'RangerMike'
WPC/KPS:
Greg "g2"
Nik "800Over"
Cook Crew:
Trevor "Beanie42"
Jeremy "2Bullets"
Mark "DrTyore"
Shannon "stpboy"
Last updated: Oct 2, 2008
This will prove to be a crowning achievement for whomever can pull it off.* Here is a listing of the rules and basically how the whole thing works.
For the Tournament to qualify as a KWTC eligible tournament the following is required:
i. It must be a BSNC, KPS or CC run tournament
ii. A minimum of 16 players
iii. There is not a minimum buy-in required
iv. The tournament takes place after April 30/06
How to win the K-W Triple Crown:
i. Sign up for one of the above tournaments
ii. Prior to the "Shuffle up and deal", at the beginning of the tournament, you must pay $1 into the KWTC side pot.* This is required because if you do happen to win the tournament and have not paid the $1 then your win will not be eligible for the KWTC standings.* The standings will be posted in this thread.
iii. Win a BSNC, KPS or CC tournament.* Once you accomplish this, you no longer need to keep feeding the pot with the $1 at that particular tournament.* You would still need to pay the $1 at each of the remaining tournaments that you have failed to win.
iv. *There is no time limit on how long/short the KWTC will run.* If it is won in 3 months or 3 years, the pot will build untill the time it is won.* If at some point a tournament host(s) closes his doors a replacement will be found or the group of players that have atleast one win under their belts will be entered into a freeroll for the money.* (*The above rule is subject to change depending upon popular vote)
v. Monies will be collected and kept in a small safe.* All of the money that comes in will be accounted for and received by the eventual KWTC winner, pot value updates will be added to this thread.*
The organization of this is run in conjunction with Mark Breaton (DrTyore).* Him and I reserve the right to make changes to the above rules in cooporation with* participant majority.*
Good Luck to all who participate!
stp
Total Pot value: $320
Winners: *
Bristol:
Rob "Moose"
Rob "Zithal"
Tye "8Ball"
Josh "Haddon"
Kristy "KristySea"
Mario "itsame"
Sean "sstar"
Nik "800Over"
Shannon "stpboy"
Mark 'DrTyore'
Mike 'RangerMike'
WPC/KPS:
Greg "g2"
Nik "800Over"
Cook Crew:
Trevor "Beanie42"
Jeremy "2Bullets"
Mark "DrTyore"
Shannon "stpboy"
Last updated: Oct 2, 2008
Comments
I like that it's not during one calender year, so we can start RIGHT AWAY.
I assume that Event #1 for this will be the Cook Crew H.O.R.S.E Tournament on Friday?
Thanks to stpboy and Drtyore for looking after this for us.
JohnnieH
EDIT: See next post, I'm a thread donk.
Mark and I still need to pick up a few things (ie. cash box, pens...ummm other stuff) but yeah, we wanted to start it at the start of a month as well. May 1/06 we get it going!
stp
and some LOVE!!!
Man I hope someone holds a tournament on a sunday sometime in the next few months
bristol holds alot of side events. rob runs christmas tournaments and his legens tournament. will those be included? i'm not sure if any of them get over 24 players (aside form the legends tournament of course) liek the casual fridays?
i personally think only the classics should be included but thats not for me to decide.
johnny
Thanks for starting & running this guys!
Tye
(I know this echos Jonny, but hey , I felt it couldn't be said enough.)
I am in.
Will you be posting regular updates of the current prize pool and active contenders (anyone who has paid in and won one or two events)?
I'm guessing a new triple-crown will start as soon as one is won.
Dave Kostis
I'm glad you guys like the idea, the first one should be sometime next week I'm thinking.
stp
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/g2
If a KWTC event is chopped, can one player receive the KWTC 'win' in exchange for less money or whatever?
I vote for no, if a KWTC event is chopped, no one should be awarded the win. Just my opinion.
/g2
I think winning (not chopping when heads-up) is consistent with both the posted guidelines and the spirit of the Triple Crown.
I believe this quote sums it up. Obviously play WAS affected by the chop.
When the last two posts in the KWTC thread are by 2/3 of the KWTC tournament directors discussing that chops are not to be allowed, with no further discussion by any of the players or Mark or STP, I assumed then that everyone was in agreement.
Now, as a player, I agree with Moose, I didn't think chops were allowed. While Joe and Jeremy did play it out, it is a bit different since some of the pressure of winning is removed. I don't think Jeremy should be penalized for this, Mark did authorize it and he continued to play in good faith. However, I think the KWTC rules should be clarified on what exactly a "legal chop" is. I also apologize for not speaking up at the tourney as a player, but it was a long day and I wasn't really thinking about anything (except PacMan
As a player I think Jeremy's win should stand, he kept playing after the chop believing it was for the KWTC win. I just think that the KWTC directors should be more careful with their decisions in the future
/g2
I think it should also depend on if Joe was also playing for the triple crown.
A: I'm really surprised at the amount of chatter this has caused, and I would like to apologize to anyone that feels this was a poor decision.
B: The decision stands
C: After a discussion with stpboy, it was decided to add two amendments for this type of situation.
a1: In our opinion, a player wins a tournament when they win all the chips. If a chop for the tourney money is decided upon, that is irrelevant to the TC money.
a2: In order to prevent collusion or any sort of deal making with regards to the TC money, any chop agreed to must include that the players are going to chop for $x, and play for the last $y, where y is a sum equal or greater than the tournament buy-in. Any other potential collusion will be decided upon by the TC organizers (stpboy and DrTyore).
Bottom line - anyone has a problem with this, leave beanie/g2/Zithal out of it and talk to us. Again, they have (really) no say in the triple crown. We use their events as the scoresheets, but someone's analogy to pro-line and NHL hockey is a good one.
As for last night (Saturday, Jan 27th) game: Jeremy's win counts. Joe's participation in TC was, IMO, irrelevant as far as the game quality goes (and no, he wasn't in it FYI), as was the chop agreement.
Please feel free to PM me with any questions / concerns / comments.
Mark
IMHO the win should stand. Jeremy shoudn't be penalized and I don't remember anywhere saying that chops didn't count. Mark and Shannon make the decisions. If anyone has an issue I would refund their money personally that they have put into this. This is supposed to be a fun way to make poker in this town a little more exciting. Nothing to get bent out of shape about.
I really dont like the fact the you have used me as the excuse for the chop or any of this. Play as far as I could tell was not affected by the chop. I was there for the long hall weather or not they finished at the time they did or at a later time. I am postive that JOes play had nothing to to with me having to work in the morning. And it was not even JOe who proposed the chop to begin with. It was Jeremy who asked if Joe wanted to chop. And JOe agreed and Mark let it happen.
And Yes I was glad, that they ended when they did. And if that was wrong of me to say so then so be it.
I am sorry you feel this way moose.
I don't feel 'any particular way'. It has nothing to do with the TD's. I only pointed out that they are TD's because they are respected members of the poker community and as such, their opinions are well-respected. Mark and STP let their posts stand discussing chops for over a month with no response. Since they are responsible for the triple crown, they are responsible for administering the rules. The result of the last tournament seemed inconsistent with what had been discussed. As the pool gets bigger and more players accumulate two wins it becomes more important to be clear and consistent.
My only gripe would be that over a month ago we had two posts voting for no-chops. No-one, including Mark and STP posted disagreement with this. Unless there is some disagreement following, you can only intrepret that as acceptance of a no-chop rule. The OP states that it is to be majority rules and yet we had a chop occur and most people post-fact seemed to think this was ok. If anyone was in disagreement with the posts by Beanie and G2, including Mark and STP, then it should have been discussed, voted on and posted BEFORE this happened.
I only pointed out a discrepancy between what was posted and what was permitted to occur. If anyone has a personal gripe over me doing that, they can pm me personally.
The rules are in the OP, and as it would appear from there, chopping is allowed. The ammendments that I posted are an attempt to clarify should such a situation happen again.
Perhaps I'm not making this 100% clear; although I value the input and feedback from the tournament directors they have no say in the running of the triple crown. The posts by beanie and g2, though helpful, were not relevant to the actual rules. Both stp and myself take into account their (and everyone's) opinions, and are trying to make as many people happy as we can.
If anyone who's won a TC event feels slighted, I'm offering a refund of $10 right now - that should easily have covered any number of TC events you've participated in. However, you will be effectively withdrawing from the TC, rendering your wins null and void. I"m just trying to find the fairest way to deal with this, and the original post, along with these amendments are the rules. Any odd situations, well, I'm just going to have to say that you guys will either have to trust the decisions made by stpboy and myself, or refrain from the TC.
Mark
I think you and STP are making a valued contribution to poker in this area. No-one can be perfect all the time. We can only do our best at that moment. Thanks guys.
I'm a bit confused.. the rules as they stand now (I take it you mean the "amendments"), had they been in place last week would have also allowed for the situation on Saturday... so this would all have been the same, excepting the conversations...
Is everyone kosher with this now?
Mark
Could you please put a "Last updated: ..." somewhere in here, just so we know when the info was last updated. Thanks
Looks like we need some more KPS/WPC winners! I'm working on some plans for the summer... I can't wait!
/g2
/g2
BTW I'm kool with it. But if we do a vote, I still vote no-chop.
The "last edited" tag at the bottom of the post should give you some idea...
Mark
Anyway, I hope my jumbled thoughts make sense. Thanks to Mark for taking most of the heat on this one, I obviously stand by his logical reasoning. Congrats Jeremy on your first ring in the TC.
stp