Hey guys, he may be on a bad run of late. Poker is poker no matter what the limit. His posts seem out of sorts from previous posts he has had. In saying all of that, perhaps he needs some time to think about how he wants to approach other respected members of this forum, fish or not. I think you can give tough love without the ridicule involved, it is tough love right.
May I ask what specifically was considered over-the-line to cause this temporary ban? HG's first post was pointless, but no worse than anything BBC posts on a regular basis. His second post was actually pretty good and on-topic IMO. His third post was a bit much (and repetitive) but so dumb that it was easily ignorable. But to be fair, this is after the comments/name-calling by FlintBones and BigE(sorry guys, but that's how I see it). Wouldn't a warning (to all 3) have made more sense?
May I ask what specifically was considered over-the-line to cause this temporary ban?
I'm genuinely surprised that I have to spell it out.
You certainly dont act like men but like a gang of babies that should go back to the sandbox and play with some tonka toys.
So next time Ill use something straight out of sucksville, a town you guys must be familiar with.
I may as well now... You guys all suck and take it way to seriously. EGOEGOEGO . Bunch of fish. I should be nice to you guiys though so the games stay juicy.
Im sure you guys are all such donkeys its unreal.
And big E well not even worth responding too.. I think a freerol is starting soon.
Go back to the zoo donkeys.
If your depressed over a 20 dollar tourney, cuz you played likes shit... then you just suck.
Wouldn't a warning...have made more sense?
The way I think of it, the 10 day ban is the warning.
I'm genuinely surprised that I have to spell it out.
I know what he said, but there were also insulting comments made by FlintBones/BigE which did not warrant a ban, and I can't see any specific statement made by HG that seems that much worse. "gang of babies" vs "being a dickhead" and "you guys are all donkeys" vs "you're an ass" (pardon my language, but I'm quoting). I guess my question is if there was a specific statement that caused this (which I might be overlooking) or simply the fact that he strung them together in a single post (so the ban is due to "volume of derogatory's")?
Everyone who posts on this forum should understand that it's not a community. It's a dictatorship run by Sloth and Scotty. At any time, they can take any action they want and theres no recourse. Rather than seeing an explicit list of what they do/don't want, they abuse thier power by just banning when it's convienent and against whatever scapegoat is available. There have been many posts in the past that were far more 'offensive' than anything HG says, but we see no action.
So you wanna ban one of the better players that post here when he gives a perfectly valid opinion? Thanks. Nothing for BigE or Flint? Smells bad to me.
I fail to believe we're going through this crap again.
Want to know my opinion of this thread? If you have an actual emotion response to the point where you make yourself sick or it completely changes your emotion state, you have a GAMBLING DISORDER and should get help.
If you have an actual emotion response to the point where you make yourself sick or it completely changes your emotion state, you have a GAMBLING DISORDER and should get help.
On the whole, I agree with your statement (the quoted one, not the one above it, you're on you own there). If it does completely change your state then you do have a problem. I guess I did not clarify my state. I guess I wasn't depressed as I was really disappointed. I had moved on fairly quickly. I was just a long 10 minute drive home.
Everyone who posts on this forum should understand that it's not a community. It's a dictatorship run by Sloth and Scotty. At any time, they can take any action they want and theres no recourse. Rather than seeing an explicit list of what they do/don't want, they abuse thier power by just banning when it's convienent and against whatever scapegoat is available.
I was waiting for you to post, but this isn't what I expected. I don't think anyone could come up with an explicit list of rules (see the WPT "smelly" issue ), so interpretation and subjectiveness is required sometimes. I applaud Sloth and Scotty for all the hard work they do to keep this site running so we can all chat. And if they make an occasional mistake, we all do. I don't know if this is banning is a mistake - Scotty and I are still having a CIVIL and PUBLIC chat about it. As far the current issue, ScottyZ seems to be willing to answer my questions about why, and his answer hasn't been "cuz I'm boss".
Also, just in case it's been misread, I have no problem with BigE or FlintBones - I was using their statements as comparison points with HG.
Something like a banning of a long time member should be IMO reviewed by a council of members rather then falling on one person. Perhaps this is going to far, as we don't really see a lot of bannings but with the CPF growing as it is, it may be needed in the future.
I don't see a problem with giving people warnings/banning for repeated blatant disregard to other posters thoughts/feeelings. If you want a community that accepts belittling, ridicule and disrespect for others I suggest you find one of the several other forums out there. Noone forces you to post or read here....Not Scotty nor Sloth.
Wow... for some reason I hadn't read this thread. Then I saw how many responses it was getting, and I figured SOMETHING must have happened...
I was right!
I might take a closer look at all of this stuff later. I'm in a SNG, and at my parents' at the moment. Nice family visit... me playing poker at the computer...
Briefly though... I am flattered that my mistakes can be used as points of discussion. And I mean that.
My final hand at Event #4 of the 2005 WSOP was misplayed. Really misplayed. And I used to think about it a lot... not the details of the hand itself, because I was quickly able to identify where I went wrong in my thinking and my calculations. I was more torn up about the whole "what if" factor. What if I had folded to his re-raise preflop. I was on the button, there was no ante... I might have gone on a rush of cards and ended up with a bracelet instead of 6th place and a sob story.
It's not everyday that you get that close to a WSOP bracelet. And you wonder, will you ever get that close again...
At any rate, what I learned is that you can't spend too much time worrying about your mistakes as long as you have learned that they were mistakes. Bad beats don't bother me at all anymore. The trick is to learn the difference between bad beats and bad play. And furthermore, to learn something from your bad play. These can be expensive lessons to learn... at the WSOP it is possible that I learned a $300,000 or so lesson. Who knows. But it might have been worth it... we'll see.
Don't sweat the bad runs too much. As other people have pointed out, the important thing is to figure out the reasons for them... what you can control, and what you can't.Â
And as an aside, about Harthgosh's temp. ban...
I've always liked his posts. And I've always liked BBC's posts, even when he pisses me off. But Scotty and Sloth have always excercised good judgement here. I think it's best to let them use that judgement as they see fit, and to not let any of this get too personal. This is a poker discussion forum.... someone has to keep it in line, otherwise we end up with RGP. It's not an easy job and it is often a thankless one. We should be glad that they do what they do.Â
As for the rest of your comments (and to my buddies FlintBones/BigE), I'll actually leave the flame-war alone
Well....I usually speak before I think and it usually gets me in trouble, I just get a little hot when people start getting personal, perhaps trying to be funny, perhaps just because that's the way they are...but it's my opinion that if the post does not interest you then move on. Calling Harthgosh a dickhead was out of line and I do apologize to you HG for that comment, I don't know you therefore I have no right to make judgement. I took offense to the 'nature' of the post and should have responded as such not with a personal attack.
There is a wealth of information shared here that is worthwhile to us all, it should not be tarnished with these kinds of posts.
p.s. I am self-banning myself for the next 3 and a half minutes.
Wow... for some reason I hadn't read this thread. Then I saw how many responses it was getting, and I figured SOMETHING must have happened...
Nice! Glad I wasn't the only one that missed this one. I was thinking, "How are they STILL talking about how losing sucks?" Figured we were due for a good flame war soon though.
Everyone who posts on this forum should understand that it's not a community. It's a dictatorship run by Sloth and Scotty. At any time, they can take any action they want and theres no recourse. Rather than seeing an explicit list of what they do/don't want, they abuse thier power by just banning when it's convienent and against whatever scapegoat is available.
Wow...BBC, I gotta say, that hurt...well, not hurt because they're nothing more than words on a screen, but it really, really sucked to read that.
Do you have a single doccumented case of me "abusing power". A single one? Please do share. Would love to be enlightened.
I was absent for an extended period from this board for a ton of different reasons and left the day-to-day up to Scott. I can't say the forum would've flourished as it did for that period had it not been for his help and involvement.
with that said, I think there should be a clearly defined warning system...and I think fining CPF bucks is a fantastic idea Hork.
I will work @ a defined warning/escalation system and post it for some kind of review by members...in all fairness though, some decisions simply cannot be thrown out the community to get a consensus(sp?) because when it's this large, there simply will never be one.
Given HG's long history with us, and the fact that there isn't anything doccumented to the recourse (if any) I am going to overturn the ban but I don't want this to be viewed as any disrespect to Scottyz.
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I actually thought HG's posts of late were some of his most lucid in a while. Not that I necessarily agreed with them but quoting real authors? Wow!
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ScottyZ
...Getting banned for 10 days, that's a paddlin'
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I'm genuinely surprised that I have to spell it out.
The way I think of it, the 10 day ban is the warning.
ScottyZ
Everyone who posts on this forum should understand that it's not a community. It's a dictatorship run by Sloth and Scotty. At any time, they can take any action they want and theres no recourse. Rather than seeing an explicit list of what they do/don't want, they abuse thier power by just banning when it's convienent and against whatever scapegoat is available. There have been many posts in the past that were far more 'offensive' than anything HG says, but we see no action.
So you wanna ban one of the better players that post here when he gives a perfectly valid opinion? Thanks. Nothing for BigE or Flint? Smells bad to me.
I fail to believe we're going through this crap again.
Want to know my opinion of this thread? If you have an actual emotion response to the point where you make yourself sick or it completely changes your emotion state, you have a GAMBLING DISORDER and should get help.
On the whole, I agree with your statement (the quoted one, not the one above it, you're on you own there). If it does completely change your state then you do have a problem. I guess I did not clarify my state. I guess I wasn't depressed as I was really disappointed. I had moved on fairly quickly. I was just a long 10 minute drive home.
Also, just in case it's been misread, I have no problem with BigE or FlintBones - I was using their statements as comparison points with HG.
I forgot, you are new here.
I don't see a problem with giving people warnings/banning for repeated blatant disregard to other posters thoughts/feeelings. If you want a community that accepts belittling, ridicule and disrespect for others I suggest you find one of the several other forums out there. Noone forces you to post or read here....Not Scotty nor Sloth.
stp
I was right!
I might take a closer look at all of this stuff later. I'm in a SNG, and at my parents' at the moment. Nice family visit... me playing poker at the computer...
Briefly though... I am flattered that my mistakes can be used as points of discussion. And I mean that.
My final hand at Event #4 of the 2005 WSOP was misplayed. Really misplayed. And I used to think about it a lot... not the details of the hand itself, because I was quickly able to identify where I went wrong in my thinking and my calculations. I was more torn up about the whole "what if" factor. What if I had folded to his re-raise preflop. I was on the button, there was no ante... I might have gone on a rush of cards and ended up with a bracelet instead of 6th place and a sob story.
It's not everyday that you get that close to a WSOP bracelet. And you wonder, will you ever get that close again...
At any rate, what I learned is that you can't spend too much time worrying about your mistakes as long as you have learned that they were mistakes. Bad beats don't bother me at all anymore. The trick is to learn the difference between bad beats and bad play. And furthermore, to learn something from your bad play. These can be expensive lessons to learn... at the WSOP it is possible that I learned a $300,000 or so lesson. Who knows. But it might have been worth it... we'll see.
Don't sweat the bad runs too much. As other people have pointed out, the important thing is to figure out the reasons for them... what you can control, and what you can't.Â
And as an aside, about Harthgosh's temp. ban...
I've always liked his posts. And I've always liked BBC's posts, even when he pisses me off. But Scotty and Sloth have always excercised good judgement here. I think it's best to let them use that judgement as they see fit, and to not let any of this get too personal. This is a poker discussion forum.... someone has to keep it in line, otherwise we end up with RGP. It's not an easy job and it is often a thankless one. We should be glad that they do what they do.Â
Well....I usually speak before I think and it usually gets me in trouble, I just get a little hot when people start getting personal, perhaps trying to be funny, perhaps just because that's the way they are...but it's my opinion that if the post does not interest you then move on. Calling Harthgosh a dickhead was out of line and I do apologize to you HG for that comment, I don't know you therefore I have no right to make judgement. I took offense to the 'nature' of the post and should have responded as such not with a personal attack.
There is a wealth of information shared here that is worthwhile to us all, it should not be tarnished with these kinds of posts.
p.s. I am self-banning myself for the next 3 and a half minutes.
Nice! Glad I wasn't the only one that missed this one. I was thinking, "How are they STILL talking about how losing sucks?" Figured we were due for a good flame war soon though.
Wow...BBC, I gotta say, that hurt...well, not hurt because they're nothing more than words on a screen, but it really, really sucked to read that.
Do you have a single doccumented case of me "abusing power". A single one? Please do share. Would love to be enlightened.
I was absent for an extended period from this board for a ton of different reasons and left the day-to-day up to Scott. I can't say the forum would've flourished as it did for that period had it not been for his help and involvement.
with that said, I think there should be a clearly defined warning system...and I think fining CPF bucks is a fantastic idea Hork.
I will work @ a defined warning/escalation system and post it for some kind of review by members...in all fairness though, some decisions simply cannot be thrown out the community to get a consensus(sp?) because when it's this large, there simply will never be one.
Given HG's long history with us, and the fact that there isn't anything doccumented to the recourse (if any) I am going to overturn the ban but I don't want this to be viewed as any disrespect to Scottyz.
Oh. I meant it as sorta a jopke. But hey! You're welcome!
Can I be wrong? Sure.
Can my allegations wild and grandiose? Sure.
It's a situation that pisses me off because it just seems to come out of nowhere.
THAT'S what I dislike most about it. If we're going to have "10 day bannings"/permanent bannings, I want to know the criteria.
Can my gas be stinky? sure.
Booger
I think CPF business cards would be a great way to introduce new members to the forum......