And the anecdote was meant more as an example of the problem rather than to say it is rampant. I doubt that it is, but just as one bad Cop taints a Force, so to does one "bad" teacher.
It's funny because I used to be very "pro" police. Over time, as I have gotten older, and the Forces have become more insular, I have altered my stance. To me the Police have too much of an "us vs. them" mentality these days. Gone are the days of Officer Friendly . . . his attitude has been replaced by one of "my first duty is to go home after every shift". Well, quite frankly, no it isn't. And, if you want to look at it that way, expect to see a lighter pay packet.
so happy PCs didn't win! tens of thousands of teachers (including myself and my gf) get to keep their jobs!
not very happy liberals have a majority though.
seriously, what is wrong with everyone? how can you not see that a left leaning government tries to help all people, rich or poor, while the more right you go the more the rich benefit. it's not rocket surgery here. (sorry milo. please feel free to tell me how wrong i am in this regard.)
i'm curious and would be interested in a poker forum vote: PC vs libs vs NDP vs other. i'm under the impression that the majority on here lean to the right.
also, you'd have to provide your age as well because i'm under the impression that the older you are the more likely you think right wing is "good". is that true? anyone here 35 and under and a right winger?
BTW, i just want to clarify that i'm talking about the overall parties in general, not the specific party platforms and leaders currently. i'm aware that they are all liars and idiots. however, the overall parties each have overarching ideals and that's what i'm interested in discussing.
one more thing: for those of you who didn't vote or never vote, you can please refrain from giving us your opinion because you already chose to give up your voice. people who don't vote because they "hate all the parties and candidates" and/or "hate politics" can go live on a deserted island by themselves and then be free to do whatever they want. there's nothing worse than a person who bitches from the sidelines saying they have all the answers but refuses to participate.
another question that just came to mind. in reference to legalizing poker, online poker, opening poker rooms, etc. - don't you think that a left leaning government would be more open to those ideas? i mean, gambling is a sin and the righties don't like sinners.
Conservatives today advocate (their page wasn’t as succinct so I had to piece this together):
· Foreign policy
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“favoured a more closely US-allied foreign policy, and the eventual extinction of all collective native property rights.”
[FONT="]o [/FONT] “Conservative Party member resolutions express strong support for state of Israel and aggressive action against perceived sponsors of terrorism.”
· Refugees and deportations of Iraq War resisters:
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“According to all 110 Conservative Party MPs, "conscientious objectors" to "wars not sanctioned by the United Nations" should not be given a special "program" to "remain in Canada"”
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“On 13 September 2008, this refusal to set up a “special program” was reiterated by a Conservative party spokeswoman after the first such conscientious objector (Robin Long) had been deported and sentenced to 15 months in jail.[18] This deportation occurred against the 3 June 2008 recommendation of a majority of elected representatives in Parliament.”
· Transparency and accountability:
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“In 2006 the Conservatives campaigned strongly against Liberal abuses in the Sponsorship scandal and vowed to introduce several accountability measures that would hold even a majority government to account.”
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“agency discipline and Canadian Senate appointments have tended to reflect a more cynical view that parties in power tend to forget transparency and accountability promises made when out of power.”
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“In its founding documents, the Conservative Party avowed principles of lower taxes, smaller government, more decentralization of federal government powers to the provinces, modeled after the Meech Lake Accord, traditional religious and cultural values [23] and has in practice strongly supported Oil Sands and other controversial energy projects with Canadian diplomacy, going so far as to describe opponents of same as "radicals" or "threats to national security".”
· Abortion:
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“The current Conservative government position on abortion is that a debate on abortion legislation will not take place in Parliament. Party leader Stephen Harper stated that "As long as I’m prime minister we are not reopening the abortion debate".”
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“The appointment of Dr. Henry Morgentaler, an abortion rights activist, to the prestigious Order of Canada, was deplored by some Conservative MPs. The Conservative government distanced itself from the award”
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“The Conservative government excluded the funding of abortions in Canada's G8 health plan.”
· Same-sex marriage:
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“Party leader Stephen Harper has repeatedly stated that his government will not attempt to ban same-sex marriage in Canada.”
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“the Conservatives added one line about gay rights to the "Discover Canada" booklet for new immigrants which they had published in 2009: "Canada’s diversity includes gay and lesbian Canadians, who enjoy the full protection of an equal treatment under the law, including access to civil marriage".”
· Crime and law enforcement:
[FONT="]o [/FONT]“Before the majority was achieved in 2011, Conservatives promised to re-introduce Internet surveillance legislation that they were not able to pass, bundling it with the rest of their crime bills. They said they plan to fast track the legislation within 100 days after taking office.”
so happy PCs didn't win! tens of thousands of teachers (including myself and my gf) get to keep their jobs!
not very happy liberals have a majority though.
seriously, what is wrong with everyone? how can you not see that a left leaning government tries to help all people, rich or poor, while the more right you go the more the rich benefit. it's not rocket surgery here. (sorry milo. please feel free to tell me how wrong i am in this regard.)
Don't blame the people,
Liberals increased their vote #'s by 1%, and suddenly got a majority. It isn't the voters, it's the structure. Liberals got like 39% of votes, and that's a majority. Sounds like Hudak math.
other than changes to same-sex marriage laws, i find it difficult to see what the conservatives are doing that would be considered "good" for our citizens.
Liberals increased their vote #'s by 1%, and suddenly got a majority. It isn't the voters, it's the structure. Liberals got like 39% of votes, and that's a majority. Sounds like Hudak math.
Mark
you are right. there are definitely issues with the voting structure as well but i'm probably not in the know enough to suggest a change.
other than changes to same-sex marriage laws, i find it difficult to see what the conservatives are doing that would be considered "good" for our citizens.
Do you mean legalizing gay marriage? That was the Liberals under Jean Chretien
seriously, what is wrong with everyone? how can you not see that a left leaning government tries to help all people, rich or poor, while the more right you go the more the rich benefit. it's not rocket surgery here. (sorry milo. please feel free to tell me how wrong i am in this regard.)
Yes trying to help all people is good. Lot of left ideas are fantastic.
Putting it all on the fucking Mastercard isn't.
271 Billion and counting boys... about as much as all other provinces combined... growing at 20% per year... RUN IT UP!!!!
so happy PCs didn't win! tens of thousands of teachers (including myself and my gf) get to keep their jobs!
not very happy liberals have a majority though.
seriously, what is wrong with everyone? how can you not see that a left leaning government tries to help all people, rich or poor, while the more right you go the more the rich benefit. it's not rocket surgery here. (sorry milo. please feel free to tell me how wrong i am in this regard.)
I will not tell you that you are wrong. But you had better not say a peep when Premier Kathleen Harris imposes the wage freezes that you voted for yesterday, or if you lose your position as part of her struggle to balance the books. Perhaps you should have read that Bloomberg link to the FULL details of the budget she plans to impose.
A storm is coming . . . and the Public Service is NOT going to be happy for long.
other than changes to same-sex marriage laws, i find it difficult to see what the conservatives are doing that would be considered "good" for our citizens.
How about being honest about how they will balance the books?
you are right. there are definitely issues with the voting structure as well but i'm probably not in the know enough to suggest a change.
Weighted ballot . . . you pick first, second, and third choices . . .
As for the idea of mandatory voting . . . NO. If you cannot be bothered to inform yourself enough about the issues to be motivated to vote, then I do NOT want you voting. Same reason I am against conscription. You need to WANT to vote.
I will not tell you that you are wrong. But you had better not say a peep when Premier Kathleen Harris imposes the wage freezes that you voted for yesterday, or if you lose your position as part of her struggle to balance the books. Perhaps you should have read that Bloomberg link to the FULL details of the budget she plans to impose.
A storm is coming . . . and the Public Service is NOT going to be happy for long.
Can anyone explain why, at a time when almost everyone is online and checking their phones every micro-second, they haven't come up with a way to let people vote online in addition to the in-person polling stations? I would think voter participation would go up dramatically. Is it because the politicians are too scared of the unknown or of the younger voters actually voting? I know the authentication issues might be tricky, but there has got to be a way.
At the very least, why use paper ballots? Go into the booth, click your choice on an iPad, and we'd know the results within minutes of the polls closing.
Can anyone explain why, at a time when almost everyone is online and checking their phones every micro-second, they haven't come up with a way to let people vote online in addition to the in-person polling stations? I would think voter participation would go up dramatically. Is it because the politicians are too scared of the unknown or of the younger voters actually voting? I know the authentication issues might be tricky, but there has got to be a way.
At the very least, why use paper ballots? Go into the booth, click your choice on an iPad, and we'd know the results within minutes of the polls closing.
the only reason i could think to not do this is it could be a lot easier to cheat elections (not that us canadians would ever do anything like that).
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not very happy liberals have a majority though.
seriously, what is wrong with everyone? how can you not see that a left leaning government tries to help all people, rich or poor, while the more right you go the more the rich benefit. it's not rocket surgery here. (sorry milo. please feel free to tell me how wrong i am in this regard.)
tapatalk puts this here to annoy YOU
i'm curious and would be interested in a poker forum vote: PC vs libs vs NDP vs other. i'm under the impression that the majority on here lean to the right.
also, you'd have to provide your age as well because i'm under the impression that the older you are the more likely you think right wing is "good". is that true? anyone here 35 and under and a right winger?
BTW, i just want to clarify that i'm talking about the overall parties in general, not the specific party platforms and leaders currently. i'm aware that they are all liars and idiots. however, the overall parties each have overarching ideals and that's what i'm interested in discussing.
Don't blame the people,
Liberals increased their vote #'s by 1%, and suddenly got a majority. It isn't the voters, it's the structure. Liberals got like 39% of votes, and that's a majority. Sounds like Hudak math.
Mark
you are right. there are definitely issues with the voting structure as well but i'm probably not in the know enough to suggest a change.
Actually the last election was but this one is the first uptick in turnout in many years..
the fact that voter turn out is around 50% or less is simply horrible.
Ontario’s rising voter turnout bucks 24-year trend | Globalnews.ca
Right you are Comp. Figures that the local radio station around here gets yet another thing wrong.
Still, just over 50% is pretty disheartening. In Australia you get a fine if you don't vote. Not that I'm personally in favour of that idea.
south korea has a holiday on voting days so no one has an excuse not to vote.
Whereas their neighbours to the North have an interesting strategy to address this...
The Economist explains: How North Korea's elections work | The Economist
Do you mean legalizing gay marriage? That was the Liberals under Jean Chretien
Mark
Is that a new program the Liberals are going to roll out in the next budget? Sign me up!
Lol Ontario.
no. the conservatives just said that they won't ban it lol. coming from them i thought it was worth a positive mention.
Fucking liberals.
(edit: the party - not you guys)
Yes trying to help all people is good. Lot of left ideas are fantastic.
Putting it all on the fucking Mastercard isn't.
271 Billion and counting boys... about as much as all other provinces combined... growing at 20% per year... RUN IT UP!!!!
I will not tell you that you are wrong. But you had better not say a peep when Premier Kathleen Harris imposes the wage freezes that you voted for yesterday, or if you lose your position as part of her struggle to balance the books. Perhaps you should have read that Bloomberg link to the FULL details of the budget she plans to impose.
A storm is coming . . . and the Public Service is NOT going to be happy for long.
How about being honest about how they will balance the books?
Weighted ballot . . . you pick first, second, and third choices . . .
As for the idea of mandatory voting . . . NO. If you cannot be bothered to inform yourself enough about the issues to be motivated to vote, then I do NOT want you voting. Same reason I am against conscription. You need to WANT to vote.
I didn't vote liberal so why should I be blamed?
At the very least, why use paper ballots? Go into the booth, click your choice on an iPad, and we'd know the results within minutes of the polls closing.
the only reason i could think to not do this is it could be a lot easier to cheat elections (not that us canadians would ever do anything like that).