Borgata tournament suspended
counterfeit chips were apparently discovered
Live Reporting | Event 1: $2 Million Guarantee Big Stack NLHE Re-Entry | 2014 Borgata Winter Poker Open | Event 1: Play Suspended for 24 Hours | PokerNews
Live Reporting | Event 1: $2 Million Guarantee Big Stack NLHE Re-Entry | 2014 Borgata Winter Poker Open | Event 1: Play Suspended for 24 Hours | PokerNews
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But, those are official casino weight chips . . . what could go wrong?
Oh, wait!
Borgata Cancels $2M Poker Tournament With 27 Left Amid State Investigation Into Counterfeit Chips
Interesting that they're saying it's unclear if any players will be getting their buyins refunded. I've never heard of something like this before. Would this be standard to not refund?
How can they keep the buy-in ? The tournament didn't finish or was an unfair contest to begin with. Everyone should get their money back, except, perhaps, the admin charge because dealers, etc.. need to be paid.
one benefit of online poker tournies i guess.
Are the orange chips the real 5K chips?
A standard procedure of a good poker room is to track the number of chips both before and after any tournament. At Fallsview, I have been told that ... nevermind, the less the wanna-be cheaters know about the security procedures that will be implemented at WPT Fallsview after Matt Savage talks to them about best practices, the better.
Well-trained tournament staff can be vigilant about spotting the many ways scumbags will try to cheat in a casino. I believe a savvy player noticed the different looking chip soon after the cheater lost them in a pot and smartly mentioned it to the table, but unfortunately the dealer didn't tell the floor to take a look and possibly notify surveillance before it was too late to confiscate the fake chips from the cheaters' stacks and having to cancel the $2 million event.
One of them made it to Day 2 of Borgata, then the "ChipGate" cheating started. I believe Borgata discovered the cheating on Thursday night after adding the total chip counts, which means that Day 3 is corrupted with 27 players left. A fair way of distributing the players' prize pool is by chip counts at the last legitimate chip counts, i.e., the beginning of Day 2. So players that were eliminated in Day 1 would get no money back, then players that made it to Day 2 would get their portion on an ICM-based formula. PartyPoker has lots of crashes, and it uses a non-ICM formula to give players' approximate equity at the time of the crash; PokerStars may use a better formula.
It is a huge public relations disaster to Borgata, especially after spending huge marketing dollars on the new online poker site. They may decide to return the fees to all the players and swallow the huge loss.
Thats the most absurd thing Ive ever heard if true.
This benefits only the cheater.
Either you ICM after the last legit chip count or you play it out at this point.
I'd have to agree that an audit of the chips would have to be done, but how do you decide who acquired what chips legitimately and who didn't at this point? How long have the non legit chips been in play? At some point, you'd just have to say run it out or don't.
Is there a precedent in this regard? There must be.
I've been keeping up with the thread on 2+2 & this does not seem to be the case. A player reported that a fake chip was discovered and removed from his table during play on day 2. Players have also reported that bagged chips were not verified by tournament staff or dealers so the chip counts aren't reliable either.
This event was held on different levels of the casino at the same time. Tables broke and players were left unattended with their chips as they made their way to a different spot in the casino. Players reported seeing entrants go for bathroom breaks and stop to get into cafeteria lines with their chips in hand.
Such a cluster#@!$!
Nothing official-just speculation -afaik
Another interesting note- Men the Master finished in 28th in this event.
WTF!? At the WSOP, I had to pay attention to the detailed step-by-step instructions on how to move my chips from one room, then the players were escorted by a couple of floor people to the main room. Luckily for me, I ended up in the ESPN TV table with Phil "Poker Brat" Hellmuth!
If all of the above negligence by Borgata is verified by the gaming commission, then Borgata is responsible for its very expensive screw-up and should do the following:
- Pay out the final 27 who did not cheat (based on their ICM equity if not allowed to play it out),
- Let the other cashers keep the prize they had already collected and hidden away from Borgata
- Refund everybody else including my "knucklehead" friends their entire buy-in back.
Casinos have hundreds of cameras. A close examination of the footage would have revealed the culprit.
The problem here seems to be that the tourneys are in convention space, away from the more heavily covered gaming space. I might be wrong though.
This is incorrect. The chips used in a satellite are never the same as for a main event, in fact main event chips are not used for any other tournaments. Also, chips are never at a table for even 1 minute without a dealer at the table. It may have looked chaotic at the time, but it was not chaos at all for staff.
I'm not sure if its the exact chips, but the domination and color looked alike..After the satellite was done everyone was standing and congratulating each other and chips were all over the two tables that were left..It was my first live tournament and wasn't 100% sure but thanx for the info
Precisely for that reason... From reading the 2+2 thread it does not appear that was the case there either...
It's been 3 years or so since I have played tournaments at the Borgata but I know at that time they were different..
He's not too bright obv....Day 2 chip lead? Shouldn't you want less attention to yourself? And flushing extras down the toilet is just lol
So this is why Joan Rivers makes an over generalization of us poker players.
Joan Rivers "You're a Poker Player" - YouTube