PC Build
Im hoping to get some input/help from some of the experienced computer builders on here. I am essentially a 'newb' when it comes to this. If it weren't for Hangtodry's thread I probably wouldn't have gone this direction. So all help is appreciated.
I will start with posting my wishes for the machine and hopefully that will give you all a good idea of what I need. Hopefully this thread ends with a post from my new computer!
- Desktop machine
- This will be primarily a poker machine, however I do need the capability of running Autocad and Revit, which are beasts afaik. I may or may not actually load the programs onto the machine right away, we will see.
- I want the ability to play many tables while running PT4, and watching video/streaming music/whatever without any lag at all. I am not afraid of spending a bit extra to achieve this (within reason). While playing I also have all the other programs running like pokerstove, skype, IE, etc
- Capability of running 3 monitors in the future
- Quiet
- Multiple USB 3.0/2.0 (2 of each min?)
- CD/DVD burner drive
- Windows 7
- SSD - Need some input on this, but I know I need it for PT4
That's all I can think of for now. Give me ur thoughts.... What parts should I spend my money on?
Im going to do some more researchin....
I will start with posting my wishes for the machine and hopefully that will give you all a good idea of what I need. Hopefully this thread ends with a post from my new computer!
- Desktop machine
- This will be primarily a poker machine, however I do need the capability of running Autocad and Revit, which are beasts afaik. I may or may not actually load the programs onto the machine right away, we will see.
- I want the ability to play many tables while running PT4, and watching video/streaming music/whatever without any lag at all. I am not afraid of spending a bit extra to achieve this (within reason). While playing I also have all the other programs running like pokerstove, skype, IE, etc
- Capability of running 3 monitors in the future
- Quiet
- Multiple USB 3.0/2.0 (2 of each min?)
- CD/DVD burner drive
- Windows 7
- SSD - Need some input on this, but I know I need it for PT4
That's all I can think of for now. Give me ur thoughts.... What parts should I spend my money on?
Im going to do some more researchin....
Comments
most mid range chip sets will run what you want but max out on RAM. 8gb min. AutoCad will thank you for it.
and now, take it away comp! resident uber techie
One thing you mentioned, no or little lag... I assume you are going to have a
excellent ISP speed? No matter how good of a system you get, it can't overcome shitty internet.. both speed and latency... Assuming you are in an area where you can get cable or fast point to point it will likely cost you > $50. per month...
Okay I will look into what we have through rogers tonight. Pretty sure we pay around $40 per mth for internet already, but I could be wrong on that. I kinda was aware of this, but its a good reminder, thanks! FYI, I'm in JohnnieH's neck of the woods.
Can you elaborate on this?
I was planning on the second HD, but I def will need to dig further into how to use the two and what to store on which drive. If anyone has a good video link on some info on this type of setup that would be ideal.
I guess I should ask which components should I pick first, and start to base my decisions on? Processor? I have been lookin thru newegg and CC, so I have an idea of some of my options for each piece, but I don't know where to start...
Agreed, don't get a laptop.
Get 8, 12 or 16 gig, memory is cheap.
I like having 3 monitors.
Buy 3 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 monitors.
Consider getting a Radeon HD7770 or better graphics card. It's the minimum that runs 3 monitors well.
An HD 5770 or HD 6770 is a little faster, but you mentioned quiet as well.
all modern motherboards have lots of USB connections.
I'd get Windows 7 64 bit pro.
You want 64 bit to support more than 4 gigs of memory.
Build a system with two or more drives, a small SSD to put your boot and database on. and a spinning disk for everything else.
I'd base it on the new Ivy bridge processor.
$50+ LGA1155 motherboard
$70 G620 processor, if it's too slow get a i3 $150, or and i5 for $200
$130 Radeon HD 7770 Graphics card. It runs cool and doesn't need extra 6 pin connectors.
$60+ 60Gig SSD
$50 8Gig of memory.
Then I went to the ping test and ran it, it said 34 ms w/ 3 ms jitter ???
Guess I need to upgrade ...
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 Gaming ATX Full Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158
CPU – Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Newegg.ca - Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
Motherboard - ASUS Maximus V Gene LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Newegg.ca - ASUS Maximus V Gene LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Video Card - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100358VXL Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card Newegg.ca - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100358VXL Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Memory - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM Newegg.ca - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9Q-16GBRL
SSD - Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3A-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Newegg.ca - Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3A-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Newegg.ca - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Power Supply - COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-550-PCAR-E3 550W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply Newegg.ca - COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-550-PCAR-E3 550W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply
CD/DVD Drive - LG Internal SATA 24x Super-Mul DVD Rewriter Newegg.ca - LG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model GH24NS90 - CD / DVD Burners
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Professional SP1 64 bit OEM Newegg.ca - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - Operating Systems
Mostly curious about cooling, and power supply. I know my video card requires a minimum 450W power supply, so I just went a bit bigger to be safe…. Really don’t know if I have enough…
So far the above comes to $1,547.46 after taxes and shipping…I found Newegg to be a tiny bit cheaper than canada computers.
Im sure ive gone overboard with some stuff and I dont mind that, but let me know where that is if you could so I can maybe cut some costs.
Have you tried tigerdirect.ca? They also have some nice barebones systems add components to.
I just checked that site out. Looks to be similar to Newegg, but I havent checked prices... I will compare to some of their stuff tonite. Thanks.
Unless there is a huge price difference stick with something bought local... Service does have value you know...
Once you settle on something ask me for a quote and I'll see what I can do..
You would also have the option of an extended warranty...
And lifetime tech support.
You realize that may not be a long time right?
LMAO, thats just wrong.
I'm picking up Hobbes' slack today.
+/- on long I'm banned for?
Why, did Bill take him in the pool?
Sorry, Im a bit out of the loop but this seems wrong.
I def picked a 'fancy' case, and some other goodies that are prob nice to haves. Parts of it will also be used for 3d architecture stuff too tho.
I actually spoke with my IT guy at work and he suggested a few options for parts that were better and cheaper, so I'm going to look into those tonight. I think its more like $1430 or something he said now.
I could definitely get it down around $1000 and probably have a great poker machine. No doubt.
So you suggest not buying the stuff online?
I will let you know when I have settled on the parts. Thx
Your biggest concern with buying parts is warranty and knowing what works best with what.. eg if you buy this part from here and that part from there and something doesn't work, what do you do? Also if you buy online how does warranty get taken care of? eg do you have to deal direct with the manufacturer of the motherboard or the cpu or the hard drive or the video card, etc etc...
Some here will tell you it's simple, everything works with everything and they built their system and didn't have a problem but let me assure you from someone who's built maybe several hundred systems all the way back to 286/386 days a certain % will have issues and if you do you will appreciate having someone with the knowledge to sort it out...
p.s. I don't sell parts but will custom build a system with almost any case you want or any specs you want... Don't do it as often as I used to since 95% of my clients are businesses that couldn't care less about gaming performance so I just use an "off the shelf" HP or Lenovo business class machine for 1/2 the cost of what you are talking about, some of them with onsite NBD 3 yr warranties..
He's legit
Generally, I think you're spending too much on some parts and not enough on others. Just my opinion though, I'll detail it later. If you update with what your IT guy recommended I'll go off that.
+1 geek points to you still, for doing the initial legwork and picking parts that will work together.
BOOM! Ladies love the geek points.... haha Thanks man. IT responded with the below message. He went to another site.
Here is an alternative for your configuration. It is still built on ASUS and has the same performance or better.
I noticed that you selected a micoATX system board so you do not need a full tower case, just a mid-tower that I have added for comparison.
In my selection I am using a full ATX size system board so will use the full tower case.
My recommendations for the system will be in this color.
Antec case DF-35 Dark Fleet Gamer ATX Mid Tower 3/0/(6) BAYS USB HD Audio BlackCurrent Antec case DF-35 Dark Fleet Gamer ATX Mid Tower 3/0/(6) BAYS USB HD Audio BlackCurrent - Computer Cases - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 98.88
or
Thermaltake Case VN700M1W2N Overseer RX-1 Full Tower USB Audio LED Fan EATX RetailCurrent Thermaltake Case VN700M1W2N Overseer RX-1 Full Tower USB Audio LED Fan EATX RetailCurrent - Computer Cases - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 128.40
Intel Core i7 i7-3770K 3.50 GHz Processor - Socket H2 LGA-1155 - Quad-core (4 Core) - 8 MB Cache - 5 GT/s DMI Intel Core i7 i7-3770K 3.50 GHz Processor - Socket H2 LGA-1155 - Quad-core (4 Core) - 8 MB Cache - 5 GT/s DMI - CPU - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 355.98
Asus Motherboard P8Z77-V PRO Core i7/5/3 LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 PCI Express HDMI/ DisplayPort USB3 ATX RetailCurrent Asus Motherboard P8Z77-V PRO Core i7/5/3 LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 PCI Express HDMI/ DisplayPort USB3 ATX RetailCurrent - Motherboards - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 199.79
or yours Asus Motherboard MAXIMUS V GENE Core i7 /5/3 LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 SATA HDMI/DisplayPort microATX RetailCurrent Asus Motherboard MAXIMUS V GENE Core i7 /5/3 LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 SATA HDMI/DisplayPort microATX RetailCurrent - Motherboards - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 196.06
Asus Video Card EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 HD6850 1GB GDDR5 256Bit PCI Express Dual DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort RetailCurrent Asus Video Card EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 HD6850 1GB GDDR5 256Bit PCI Express Dual DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort RetailCurrent - Video Cards - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag $150.88 (better performance than the HD 7770)
Corsair Memory CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B Vengeance 16GB DDR3 1600 4x240 DIMM Kit Retail Corsair Memory CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B Vengeance 16GB DDR3 1600 4x240 DIMM Kit Retail - Memory - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 97.84
CORSAIR FORCE3 2.5" 60GB SSD CORSAIR FORCE3 2.5" 60GB SSD REPLACEDBY SSD-CS-F60GB3A-BK 2.5" TO 3.5" BRACKET INCLUDED - Hard Drives - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 72.33
Seagate HDD ST2000VX000 SV35 Series 2TB 7200rpm 64MB 6GB/s Cache Bare DriveCurrent Seagate HDD ST2000VX000 SV35 Series 2TB 7200rpm 64MB 6GB/s Cache Bare DriveCurrent - Hard Drives - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 122.30
Antec EarthWatts EA650 GREEN ATX12V & EPS12V Power Supply - 88% Efficiency - 650 W - Internal - 110 V AC, 220 V AC Antec EarthWatts EA650 GREEN ATX12V & EPS12V Power Supply - 88% Efficiency - 650 W - Internal - 110 V AC, 220 V AC - Power Supplies - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 75.76
ASUS 24X DVD-RW, BLACK SATA S/W INCLUDED, BULK ASUS 24X DVD-RW, BLACK SATA S/W INCLUDED, BULK - DVD - Computer Hardware - Computer Parts - HookBag 18.16
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional With Service Pack 1 64-bit - License and Media - 1 PC - OEM - PC - English Microsoft Windows 7 Professional With Service Pack 1 64-bit - License and Media - 1 PC - OEM - PC - English - Operating Systems - Software - HookBag 135.99
or
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium With Service Pack 1 64-bit - License and Media - 1 PC - OEM - PC - English Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium With Service Pack 1 64-bit - License and Media - 1 PC - OEM - PC - English - Operating Systems - Software - HookBag 94.09
You do not need Win 7 Pro for home use.
The total after taxes would be 1486.55 and the shipping is free.
I learned this from Krakauers excellent book Into Thin Air. The folks who first calculated the height of Mount Everest, using triangulation, etc. were called "computers", as they wroked through all the numbers and computations manually. Turns out their results were only a few feet off from the first satellite derived results. Pencil and paper still has a place, if not on the virtual felt.
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So now, everything is put together nicely, the only real point I'm going to bring up is that I think that's a lot more computer than you need. The K in the 3770K denotes an unlocked multiplier, that's only useful if you plan on overclocking. Do you? Also, check out How Much Faster Is Core i7-3770K Than -2700K And i5-2550K? : Intel Core i7-3770K Review: A Small Step Up For Ivy Bridge and the conclusions on the next page. Unless you're going to make use of the features of the new architecture, or plan on upgrading your chip before the next chipset is launched, I think you could save some money by going with a previous-generation chip, and motherboard.
I haven't looked into video cards with 3-monitor support, but feel you may be able to cut that back a bit as well.
Don't know about if you plan on storing hi-def media on your computer, but the 2TB might be overkill as well. To give you an idea, I have a 2TB drive with 75 720p movies, 25 standard def movies, and 1300 TV episodes, of varying length and quality. That drive is just over half full.
To each his own, though. If you don't mind spending that much money, you're getting an absolute beast of a computer that will do whatever you ask of it for years to come.
Yeah I didn't realize the motherboard and case thing went hand in hand.... and had zero clue how to pick power supply.
I will take a look at this tonite. Thanks. I plan on eventually using it for some revit 3d stuff yes, just probably not right away. My work is in the process of transitioning into revit so it will be useful having it at home.
I know I am spending a lot, and I don't mind that. If going to 1TB drive means saving $25, I probably will stick with the 2TB.
And yes I will be storing some videos, movies, tv shows, etc on the machine...Prob not quite as much as you though...
Thanks for your help!!
Still waiting on my HDD to store everything else on, but I put win7, pt4, & stars on my ssd. PT4 is importing my db now....Should be good to grind tonite after my company leaves.
Booting up off the ssd is amazing, so quick. And its super quiet compared to my old setup.