I probably c/c flop and c/r turn trying to set ourselves up to get it in on the river. If villain jams over our turn c/r, I think we can safely say we are beat by a better 8 or KK. But the likelihood of villain holding either are slim given the number of combos....I think JJ does fall into villains range here as we checked to them twice. Villain is also likely to bet AJ-AQ here for the delayed cbet.
Personally, I blocker bet the river. If villain jams, it is unlikely to be with anything we beat. JJ did there, and KK and better 8's had us all the way. I probably b/f river oop.
I probably c/c flop and c/r turn trying to set ourselves up to get it in on the river. If villain jams over our turn c/r, I think we can safely say we are beat by a better 8 or KK. But the likelihood of villain holding either are slim given the number of combos....I think JJ does fall into villains range here as we checked to them twice. Villain is also likely to bet AJ-AQ here for the delayed cbet.
Personally, I blocker bet the river. If villain jams, it is unlikely to be with anything we beat. JJ did there, and KK and better 8's had us all the way. I probably b/f river oop.
I think vs. a relatively weak player this turn line is good but vs. someone who's a skilled hand reader, c/c flop and c/r turn looks insanely strong imo. Against good players we have to take value lines that look like they could be bluff lines, so the question is what hand could we be check-raising turn with as a bluff? The only reasonable hand is diamonds, but it's so much more likely that we lead turn or check/call our diamonds instead of check-raising on a paired board.
Leading river is actually a cool option though I wouldn't call it a "blocker" bet really, I'd probably bet like 55-60 or something for value. It's probably not a great line to take in this spot all the time since it'll become obvious pretty quick that turn check/call -> river lead is value nearly always, but I think it's weird enough that they'll look it up fairly light the first time they see it.
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Personally, I blocker bet the river. If villain jams, it is unlikely to be with anything we beat. JJ did there, and KK and better 8's had us all the way. I probably b/f river oop.
I think vs. a relatively weak player this turn line is good but vs. someone who's a skilled hand reader, c/c flop and c/r turn looks insanely strong imo. Against good players we have to take value lines that look like they could be bluff lines, so the question is what hand could we be check-raising turn with as a bluff? The only reasonable hand is diamonds, but it's so much more likely that we lead turn or check/call our diamonds instead of check-raising on a paired board.
Leading river is actually a cool option though I wouldn't call it a "blocker" bet really, I'd probably bet like 55-60 or something for value. It's probably not a great line to take in this spot all the time since it'll become obvious pretty quick that turn check/call -> river lead is value nearly always, but I think it's weird enough that they'll look it up fairly light the first time they see it.