Variance my ass...

Was playing a 10 player Double up tourney today, on WInner.

Player tried to bluff me early, so I doubled up on his chips with a pair of Qs (not pocket)

Then, flopped QQ, hit Q 7 3 rainbow on the flop. bet 5x the big blind
Turn was a 9, guy went all -in. I called
River is a K, twit turns over J-10s

Two hands later flop AA, late position, one raised half his stack.
I put him all-in, he shows 1010

You guessed it 10 on the river.

What is the point of poker if you can't play ANY cards?

Don't give me variance crap. This happens to me every day, 8 games out of 10.

I am usually in with the best and usually lose.
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  • ya, me too!
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    Don't give me variance crap. This happens to me every day, 8 games out of 10.

    I am usually in with the best and usually lose.

    Ur doing it wrong!
  • Go play backgammon
  • Quit playing, it's just not for whiners who don't understand varience lol
  • Richard~ wrote: »
    Quit playing, it's just not for whiners who don't understand varience lol

    No it's for morons like you you have nothing helpful to say, but like to shoot from the lip with no information. Either get your facts straight, or shut up.

    'Ur doing it wrong!'

    Actually, I am doing it right, it's the idiots doing it wrong that win, though.
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »

    Actually, I am doing it right, it's the idiots doing it wrong that win, though.
    thats why i like to play like an idiot and have all the chips!!!
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    No it's for morons like you you have nothing helpful to say, but like to shoot from the lip with no information. Either get your facts straight, or shut up.

    'Ur doing it wrong!'

    Actually, I am doing it right, it's the idiots doing it wrong that win, though.

    UR getting warm tough guy...
  • "UR getting warm tough guy... "

    And you're getting it wrong.
  • I didn't say you were doing it wrong this time. But did you not just come here to tell us how sad you were you got unlucky and asked for an explanation that didn't involve varience?

    it's easy, when you react emotionally like this and can't accept that you'll lose like this a % of the time the problem is you, not varience

    Edit: I mean you said you couldn't play any cards, there's no way to fix that
  • You guys are really being mean to Crazcnuk.... It sure looks like the poker sites are really ganging up on him... The rest of us are lucky that they let us win sometimes.... maybe we should tell him what the secret is?
  • Can you let me know again ? I thought I knew it but since Full Tilt shut down I have forgotten. Or is it a different secret on each site ?
  • Sounds like hes playing the game fish.
  • go to google. type in poker odds calculator. Put those hands in there. If the % of your opponents hand is 0% then you will never lose it. If it is not, expect to lose them sometimes. Prob about the % it says. for instance AA vs 1010 all in pre. 1010 will win about 19% of the time depending on suits. which means almost 1/5 times you will lose that hand. Accept it or stop playing.
  • You guys are all wrong. The key to beating variance is to make a deal where you take back 90% of your original bet and let fate decide. I seen it on Poker After Dark and both guys are pro and were sponsored by Full Tilt and UB at one time.

    If anyone knows the secrets it's them.
  • I wasn't being smart...

    Go play backgammon. It will teach variance. It's the ultimate game of probability.

    Mark
  • Heh, I love it when an entire forum misses the point. Not because they wouldn't understand, if they asked a few questions, so they could actually understand the situation in question, but because they just start shooting from the lip without actually trying to find out.

    I've probably been playing poker as long as many of you, I've played 10's of thousands of hands, etc.

    I know what 'normal' variance is, and the math is not an issue.


    People don't leave forums because the forum lacks sympathy, they leave because the forum is full of idiots that only hang out to pick on other people.

    I can see why this forum is so little used.
  • You complain about what we go through everyday. Some of us do this for a living and have learned that beats happen. When people start complaining about beats that we take prob 5-10 times daily it gets annoying. It happens get over it or dont play.
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    I've probably been playing poker as long as many of you, I've played 10's of thousands of hands, etc.

    I know what 'normal' variance is, and the math is not an issue.

    LOL, no, you clearly do not know.
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    Heh, I love it when an entire forum misses the point. Not because they wouldn't understand, if they asked a few questions, so they could actually understand the situation in question, but because they just start shooting from the lip without actually trying to find out.

    I've probably been playing poker as long as many of you, I've played 10's of thousands of hands, etc.

    I know what 'normal' variance is, and the math is not an issue.


    People don't leave forums because the forum lacks sympathy, they leave because the forum is full of idiots that only hang out to pick on other people.

    I can see why this forum is so little used.

    My bad... didn't know you were trolling....

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  • You complain about what we go through everyday. Some of us do this for a living and have learned that beats happen. When people start complaining about beats that we take prob 5-10 times daily it gets annoying. It happens get over it or dont play.


    Heh, missed AGAIN

    If you are getting beat that badly, every day, then you are a retard for playing.

    However, I assume you mean you get those beats IN BETWEEN the odd win here and there?

    Let me put it this way, if you got hit by those beats, as often as I do, you'd be the one typing this.

    The problem you all make is that you think everyone is as bad as you are, and therefore complaining about the ORDINARY beats.

    I am complaining about the EXCESSIVE number of beats, the 20-30 of them per day over your measly 5-10.

    If you really think anyone is dumb enough to come here and ask about NORMAL play, then please, move on.

    To add to it, I just played another card dead game, went in (short stack) with K-Js and lost to a 35os. He hit a straight. Out in 5th.

    IF you all can't tell me how to avoid the beats, because you can't avoid them either, then I am obviously asking the wrong crowd.
  • how can you avoid beats lol as bad as we are??? really.
    How about this. You pick a day this week and every bad beat you get post it here. Ill post every bad beat ( or at least what i consider a bad beat) and we will compare. I play 1000's of hands a day, if you gonna try to tell me you take me beats then me Id like to see it, variance would suggest I take more as I play more hands then you per day, undoubtingly.
    BTW when I say 5-10 Im talking about 5-10 beats where im at least 65% when I get it in, anything less really isnt that bad.
  • Exactly. YOu talk 5-10 bad beats per day, in how many games? I showed 3 of the 5 I had today IN 3 GAMES!

    It's not about toatal number of beats, its the RATIO of beats to hands or games. If you play 1,000s of hands per day and only see 5-10 bad beats, your doing a hell of a lot better than I am.
  • i dont consider KJ vs 53, when im short a bad beat for one. and i dont count my bad beats, and clearly we have different definations of a bad beat.
    but as I said if you want too see bad beats Ill post them all day if you want. Like clearly you cant handle this game if your actually this upset about losing 3 hands today lol
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    I showed 3 of the 5 I had today IN 3 GAMES!

    .

    The fact that you would say something like this shows that you'll have trouble playing this game for long.

    So you ran poorly a few weeks? Man up and get over it. if you start feeling the poker sites are rigged, deal with your issues on that too or stop playing. no one here is gonna pretend like you're unluckier than the next guy.

    Edit: I've taken the ultimate beat btw ^^' QQ v JJ aipf, board Q73JJ
  • +1.... I approve of this thread....... Athough you guys are still way too hard on Crazcnuk... He has lots of valid points.... Just last night in my local league game I got it in on the flop with a straight, the other guy had only a flush draw and he made it! On the river too... What are the odds of that?
  • You guys are all out to lunch. The answer is ez....

    OP, move up to where they respect your raises!
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    Heh, I love it when an entire forum misses the point. Not because they wouldn't understand, if they asked a few questions, so they could actually understand the situation in question, but because they just start shooting from the lip without actually trying to find out.

    This post is just LOL ironic
  • i dont consider KJ vs 53, when im short a bad beat for one. and i dont count my bad beats, and clearly we have different definations of a bad beat.
    but as I said if you want too see bad beats Ill post them all day if you want. Like clearly you cant handle this game if your actually this upset about losing 3 hands today lol

    Which is meaningless, since you still miss the point. I consider a bad beat as anytime you go in with the best and lose. That is the definition of a bad beat.

    There are of course, worse bad beats than others, but as I have pointed out, call them coin flips,if you want, I still lose the vast majority of even 50/50 hands.

    Whether you want to post them or not, is up to you, since you miss the point that I had ALL these paritcular bad beats in THREE (3) games. Now if you want me to I will list ALL my bad beats over the last 60 games, and then you can see if your bad beat ratio is worse than mine. Until then your just arguing without half the information.

    As for the rest of you, whether you sympathize or not, if you don't have the numbers at hand, you have no basis to judge my play, and as long as you keep ignoring the fact that I have been playing for many years, online, and I don't have this issue playing LIVE games, then there is no point in talking to you.

    You all know your normal variance, and your arguing that mine is the same as yours, yet no one has actually asked any numbers. Maybe mine is the same, I don't know, that is what I am asking.

    However, the overall tone of this site is confrontational, not helpful, so I am not hopeful it will be of any use to me.
  • Crazcnuk wrote: »
    Now if you want me to I will list ALL my bad beats over the last 60 games, and then you can see if your bad beat ratio is worse than mine. Until then your just arguing without half the information.
    Ok, please post ALL of your bad beats over the last 60 games, then we can see just how bad it is. However we're going to need the context of each, ie chip stacks, betting history, etc.. Then perhaps we can convince these misbelievers...

    Oh and you do use Poker tracker or equivalent right? It should be easy to see what's working and what's not.
  • wow, how old are you? How much do you whine. like get over it no one cares about your stupid 50/50 bad beats. If you want to take strategy sure. But if your asking us to tell you how to make the flop turn and river bring you no bad beats, then your retarded to think we can help you with that. go to any forum and they will tell you the same.
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