Not too tragic when this sort of stuff has been ongoing, and people STILL head down . . . oh, it won't happen to me . . . we've never had a problem before . . .
I'll paraphrase my cousin, who was actually talking about flying helicopters at the time, "The thing about it is, either you've had an incident, or you're going to; it's just a question when, and how bad."
You could not get me to go to Mexico, if it were 100% comped, and I was issued an M-249 with a 1,000 rounds . . .
A terrible gun for me back in the day of the original x-box and Rainbow six3. Always preferred the pea shooting tar-21.
But it might serve you well on the bleeding streets of mexico.
As an aside, what would kerouac have accomplished if the mexico of his travelling beat times was as violent as it is now? could 'on the road' ever have been written????
"On the Road" would simply be a description of where they found the body . . . and the M-249 is otherwise known as the SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon). Great piece of gear, which I believe Canada uses in place of the ancient C-2.
Based on the fully-loaded aircraft leaving Canada every winter . . . no.
I believe tourism has been dropping there since 2008 -- do you believe it is all due to the global economy and that these events do not factor in at all?
Dropping is different than dead . . . I meant what I said: you could give me an all-inclusive package to the BEST Mexico has to offer, and I would decline. People who go to Mexico rather than the alternatives are MORONS.
I believe tourism has been dropping there since 2008 -- do you believe it is all due to the global economy and that these events do not factor in at all?
Sure it has an impact. I dont know how much is directly linked to violence. I would think the economy has more to do with it, but you still can't rule out violence.
My point was, that this bloodbath and war on the cartels has been going on for quite some time. Nearly all of the violence is concentrated in the inland border towns that are the gateways to the drug market in the USA. When was the last time you heard of a serious incident happening in the tourist resort areas? The last two i know of are the natrual gas explosion (good old Mexican ingenuity) and a shark attack.
Mexico is still cheap, if people had a choice, they would probably go for Hawaii, but thats almost triple the cost of a Mexico vacation... per person and its not all inclusive. Other notabale carribean countries have other problems off the resorts... but you wont have much hassle in Cancun or Playa del Carmen (sp?) unless your a tool... or really drunk... or both.
Dropping is different than dead . . . I meant what I said: you could give me an all-inclusive package to the BEST Mexico has to offer, and I would decline. People who go to Mexico rather than the alternatives are MORONS.
If you say so. What alternatives are we talking about here? a US vacation, which is the only real safe alternative is way more than a carribean vacation.
Its like going to Toronto, there are places where you can safely go, and places that probably arn't so safe. Stay the hell away from Monterry, which is one of the worst areas to be in Mexico, and keep it in the areas where you don't read about this shit. Riveria Maya, or the other coastal resorts.
Sure it has an impact. I dont know how much is directly linked to violence. I would think the economy has more to do with it, but you still can't rule out violence.
My point was, that this bloodbath and war on the cartels has been going on for quite some time. Nearly all of the violence is concentrated in the inland border towns that are the gateways to the drug market in the USA. When was the last time you heard of a serious incident happening in the tourist resort areas? The last two i know of are the natrual gas explosion (good old Mexican ingenuity) and a shark attack.
Mexico is still cheap, if people had a choice, they would probably go for Hawaii, but thats almost triple the cost of a Mexico vacation... per person and its not all inclusive. Other notabale carribean countries have other problems off the resorts... but you wont have much hassle in Cancun or Playa del Carmen (sp?) unless your a tool... or really drunk... or both.
I've been to Cancun, PV and Maui over the last few years -- Hawaii is not anywhere near triple the cost, at least from the Western side of North America, and I can't imagine flights are double in price from the East.
Tell that to the couple from Woodbridge that were murdered a few years ago on the Mayan Riviera (iirc), or the two ON women the Federales accused (with no evidence) to deflect concerns. Or the victim from earlier this spring. These are just off the top of my head, mind you . . .
Plenty of other places in the Carribean that are as cheap, or cheaper, than Mexico with inifinitely greater security for you and yours.
Oh, and for safer, try the DR or Cuba. Jamaica's resort areas are fine, too.
i'll still go to mexico for vacation. i'll just make sure that i learn the spanish phrase for "get your white fucking ass out of the casino before i burn it to the ground!"
and keep it in the areas where you don't read about this shit. Riveria Maya, or the other coastal resorts.
Milo touched on it already and I won't do the work for you by getting you the links but this statement is so incredibly short sighted it's laughable. No where in mexico is safe from the violence. And corruption is rampant everywhere.
which section of the mexico tourism board do you work for? or do you just have on tequila rose coloured glasses and miss the forest of dead for the boxes in the morgue?
and to compare that shit hole to Toronto is pathetically asinine and displays incredible ignorance. The murder rate here is NOTHING compared to the safest place mexico.
as others have said, if you go there, don't complain when something awful happens as you should have known better. No disrespect to the dead is intended but no other way to phrase it.
Been watching you tube videos most of the day about Mexico and the drug war..it amazes me a crap that happens on a daily bases. Average 9 humans every day die. Saw a jewelry store robbery where they went in and shot 5 people dead with there backs turned to them. The nerve of them to even shoot them 3 more times on the way out. All in a span of 38 seconds...wow
Wasn't a robbery, it was a hit on a Chief of Police.
4 people dead including a unarmed security guy that had a fear of gunmen coming in someday!!
I've been to Cancun, PV and Maui over the last few years -- Hawaii is not anywhere near triple the cost, at least from the Western side of North America, and I can't imagine flights are double in price from the East.
I'm not going to come up with 10 different vacation packages to Hawaii that are more than a Carribean vacation, there are always exceptions of course, where there are deals to be made.
From my limited experiance, flights and hotel to Hawaii is around 2x the cost of the flights and hotel to Mexico. Then you have your food and entertainment on top of that, where in Mexico you're all inclusive. I'm probably not too far off the 3x price tag. But again, you might be better at finding good deals than I am. Bottom line is that you will be paying more for a US vacation than a comparable carribean vacation. Key word being comparable. (4+ stars, beach front)
Tell that to the couple from Woodbridge that were murdered a few years ago on the Mayan Riviera (iirc), or the two ON women the Federales accused (with no evidence) to deflect concerns. Or the victim from earlier this spring. These are just off the top of my head, mind you . . .
Plenty of other places in the Carribean that are as cheap, or cheaper, than Mexico with inifinitely greater security for you and yours.
Oh, and for safer, try the DR or Cuba. Jamaica's resort areas are fine, too.
I'm not entirely sure how to correctly respond to this. My whole point was that enitre resorts are not attacked in the same manner as the Casino attack in Monterry.
I don't think random acts of violence are the absolute rule in Mexico anymore than anywhere else. The drug war is one thing, but its war zones are in Monterry, and the other mainland border towns.
DR isnt exactly safe either, people get mugged and murdered there too. Anywhere you have high poverty, and rich tourism, you automatically have to be a 'smart' tourist, thats just commen sense. But even if you think your doing everything right, if someone is desperate enough, things can go real bad real quick.
Mexican officials being corrupt...or inept... or both... not going to argue that one.
Cuba would be one of the places I've never heard much negative about... I did hear its not as nice as other places though.
Milo touched on it already and I won't do the work for you by getting you the links but this statement is so incredibly short sighted it's laughable. No where in mexico is safe from the violence. And corruption is rampant everywhere.
which section of the mexico tourism board do you work for? or do you just have on tequila rose coloured glasses and miss the forest of dead for the boxes in the morgue?
and to compare that shit hole to Toronto is pathetically asinine and displays incredible ignorance. The murder rate here is NOTHING compared to the safest place mexico.
as others have said, if you go there, don't complain when something awful happens as you should have known better. No disrespect to the dead is intended but no other way to phrase it.
I'm not the one being short sighted and ignorant here. So I'll keep this brief, since I dont expect much more than a difference of opinion on this. All I have to offer you is an objective opinion.
Just to clarify the context. Terrorist and drug cartel attacks have not been conducted in the Mexican resorts or tourist centers. If you vacation in Monterry or other Mexican border towns, then yeah, your probably gonna get killed.
I don't work for Mexico tourist board. But I also think you're just as likely to get into trouble in the problem areas of any major north american city as you are if you wander around Mexican cities without much care and attention.
Thousands of people go to Mexico and come back without any trouble. When something happens, it becomes news, and so far I think most of that news covers situations that are no different than when you read the news here. The only difference between some of these articles I read is the location.
Take it for what its worth.
ALLLLLLLLL that being said, my next vacation will probably be a cruise, but I wouldn't rule out Mexico for the same reasons most of you would. And if I die, guess it serves me right, eh?
I don't think random acts of violence are the absolute rule in Mexico anymore than anywhere else. The drug war is one thing, but its war zones are in Monterry, and the other mainland border towns.
I don't work for Mexico tourist board. But I also think you're just as likely to get into trouble in the problem areas of any major north american city as you are if you wander around Mexican cities without much care and attention.
You are clearly delusional, based on the above . . .
No, but they do not happen elsewhere in North America on the scale that occurs in Mexico, and no amount of rationalizing on your part will change that. That country cannot even protect it's own security forces, and you think they give a rat's ass about tourists? And please, do not mention tourist $$$ that are needed to help the economy. That is a canard of the highest order . . .
I myself would never go to Mexico voluntarily, however, a lot of South and Central American countries have much higher crime rates than Mexico. According to several sources Mexico has approx twice the murder rate as the US but it is heavily weighted towards drug related causes. Not sure about the US. As a comparison Canada's murder rate is about a third that of the US.
No, but they do not happen elsewhere in North America on the scale that occurs in Mexico, and no amount of rationalizing on your part will change that. That country cannot even protect it's own security forces, and you think they give a rat's ass about tourists? And please, do not mention tourist $$$ that are needed to help the economy. That is a canard of the highest order . . .
Don't get me wrong, Im not here to convince you, or tell you that your wrong. In fact you have every right to believe and support your views. Mexico isnt #1 on my list of places to go for the same reason others entirely refuse to go, but its still on the list.
Global crime stats for all of Mexico are abysmal. However, I really don't see tourist related crime and deaths to greatly exceed standard N. American crime stats.
I could very well be proven wrong, since I dont have any actual data on this... nor does it do any of us any good to debate back and forth without more data and research (who really wants to do that???).
Its just my understanding and perspective, and if you still wish to think of me as delusional/ignorant or short sighted, then so be it.
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If your a tourist in Monterry, you probably didnt do much homework on your vacation.
Its always tragic when innocent people are dragged into this kind of stuff.
I'll paraphrase my cousin, who was actually talking about flying helicopters at the time, "The thing about it is, either you've had an incident, or you're going to; it's just a question when, and how bad."
You could not get me to go to Mexico, if it were 100% comped, and I was issued an M-249 with a 1,000 rounds . . .
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Corrected for spelling . . .
No, I think the original was correct.
A terrible gun for me back in the day of the original x-box and Rainbow six3. Always preferred the pea shooting tar-21.
But it might serve you well on the bleeding streets of mexico.
As an aside, what would kerouac have accomplished if the mexico of his travelling beat times was as violent as it is now? could 'on the road' ever have been written????
You don't think that this affects tourism everywhere in the country?
I believe tourism has been dropping there since 2008 -- do you believe it is all due to the global economy and that these events do not factor in at all?
The Black Sunday Society: Mexican tourism down due to violence
Sure it has an impact. I dont know how much is directly linked to violence. I would think the economy has more to do with it, but you still can't rule out violence.
My point was, that this bloodbath and war on the cartels has been going on for quite some time. Nearly all of the violence is concentrated in the inland border towns that are the gateways to the drug market in the USA. When was the last time you heard of a serious incident happening in the tourist resort areas? The last two i know of are the natrual gas explosion (good old Mexican ingenuity) and a shark attack.
Mexico is still cheap, if people had a choice, they would probably go for Hawaii, but thats almost triple the cost of a Mexico vacation... per person and its not all inclusive. Other notabale carribean countries have other problems off the resorts... but you wont have much hassle in Cancun or Playa del Carmen (sp?) unless your a tool... or really drunk... or both.
If you say so. What alternatives are we talking about here? a US vacation, which is the only real safe alternative is way more than a carribean vacation.
Its like going to Toronto, there are places where you can safely go, and places that probably arn't so safe. Stay the hell away from Monterry, which is one of the worst areas to be in Mexico, and keep it in the areas where you don't read about this shit. Riveria Maya, or the other coastal resorts.
I've been to Cancun, PV and Maui over the last few years -- Hawaii is not anywhere near triple the cost, at least from the Western side of North America, and I can't imagine flights are double in price from the East.
Plenty of other places in the Carribean that are as cheap, or cheaper, than Mexico with inifinitely greater security for you and yours.
Oh, and for safer, try the DR or Cuba. Jamaica's resort areas are fine, too.
Milo touched on it already and I won't do the work for you by getting you the links but this statement is so incredibly short sighted it's laughable. No where in mexico is safe from the violence. And corruption is rampant everywhere.
which section of the mexico tourism board do you work for? or do you just have on tequila rose coloured glasses and miss the forest of dead for the boxes in the morgue?
and to compare that shit hole to Toronto is pathetically asinine and displays incredible ignorance. The murder rate here is NOTHING compared to the safest place mexico.
as others have said, if you go there, don't complain when something awful happens as you should have known better. No disrespect to the dead is intended but no other way to phrase it.
Wasn't a robbery, it was a hit on a Chief of Police.
4 people dead including a unarmed security guy that had a fear of gunmen coming in someday!!
All in a span of 23 seconds!!
Mexico Travel Advice and Advisories | Government of Canada
I'm not going to come up with 10 different vacation packages to Hawaii that are more than a Carribean vacation, there are always exceptions of course, where there are deals to be made.
From my limited experiance, flights and hotel to Hawaii is around 2x the cost of the flights and hotel to Mexico. Then you have your food and entertainment on top of that, where in Mexico you're all inclusive. I'm probably not too far off the 3x price tag. But again, you might be better at finding good deals than I am. Bottom line is that you will be paying more for a US vacation than a comparable carribean vacation. Key word being comparable. (4+ stars, beach front)
I'm not entirely sure how to correctly respond to this. My whole point was that enitre resorts are not attacked in the same manner as the Casino attack in Monterry.
I don't think random acts of violence are the absolute rule in Mexico anymore than anywhere else. The drug war is one thing, but its war zones are in Monterry, and the other mainland border towns.
DR isnt exactly safe either, people get mugged and murdered there too. Anywhere you have high poverty, and rich tourism, you automatically have to be a 'smart' tourist, thats just commen sense. But even if you think your doing everything right, if someone is desperate enough, things can go real bad real quick.
Mexican officials being corrupt...or inept... or both... not going to argue that one.
Cuba would be one of the places I've never heard much negative about... I did hear its not as nice as other places though.
I'm not the one being short sighted and ignorant here. So I'll keep this brief, since I dont expect much more than a difference of opinion on this. All I have to offer you is an objective opinion.
Just to clarify the context. Terrorist and drug cartel attacks have not been conducted in the Mexican resorts or tourist centers. If you vacation in Monterry or other Mexican border towns, then yeah, your probably gonna get killed.
I don't work for Mexico tourist board. But I also think you're just as likely to get into trouble in the problem areas of any major north american city as you are if you wander around Mexican cities without much care and attention.
Thousands of people go to Mexico and come back without any trouble. When something happens, it becomes news, and so far I think most of that news covers situations that are no different than when you read the news here. The only difference between some of these articles I read is the location.
Take it for what its worth.
ALLLLLLLLL that being said, my next vacation will probably be a cruise, but I wouldn't rule out Mexico for the same reasons most of you would. And if I die, guess it serves me right, eh?
I don't work for Mexico tourist board. But I also think you're just as likely to get into trouble in the problem areas of any major north american city as you are if you wander around Mexican cities without much care and attention.
You are clearly delusional, based on the above . . .
Because mugging, murder and rape only happen in Mexico...
lol, you really are addicted aren't you?
Don't get me wrong, Im not here to convince you, or tell you that your wrong. In fact you have every right to believe and support your views. Mexico isnt #1 on my list of places to go for the same reason others entirely refuse to go, but its still on the list.
Global crime stats for all of Mexico are abysmal. However, I really don't see tourist related crime and deaths to greatly exceed standard N. American crime stats.
I could very well be proven wrong, since I dont have any actual data on this... nor does it do any of us any good to debate back and forth without more data and research (who really wants to do that???).
Its just my understanding and perspective, and if you still wish to think of me as delusional/ignorant or short sighted, then so be it.
Thats it thats all folks!
979K travelled to Cuba 38 died
427k travelled to Germany 57 died
So far the numbers have not kept me from travelling to Mexico.