Granted, people don't play turns and river well often times but you're really being reckless bluffshoving spots where villain is repping a pretty strong hand ^^'
i think hes repping every thing but an ace...and i think im repping the stone cold nuts.....
His turn bet is a little smaller than 50% pot but I still believe he could've turn trips and this could be how he plays it
his turn bet is smaller than 1/3 pot....this shows he is a donkey and donkeys will never check an ace on the flop only to bet a 2nd ace on the turn, thats crazy talk....
i was gonna end this thread but i think its still open....
difference here is its so early people are gonna chase, you got to get it in your head you cant win every hand. Your risking so much of your stack by playing marginal hands this way. Plain and simple, you cant argue that. cbet they float so be it, in your hands you had good enough stacks to move on and cbet the next flop. if you think they float, the better play is to cbet, check shove turn this is when they have position on you. But dont get out of control, very situational play.
difference here is its so early people are gonna chase, you got to get it in your head you cant win every hand. Your risking so much of your stack by playing marginal hands this way. Plain and simple, you cant argue that. cbet they float so be it, in your hands you had good enough stacks to move on and cbet the next flop. if you think they float, the better play is to cbet, check shove turn this is when they have position on you. But dont get out of control, very situational play.
welcome to the yoda shit show.....can you reference the hands your commenting on....
i don't agree im risking to much here....
i do think habituall limp/callers pre..habitually float flops....and i think cbetting with are and giving up on the turn just plays into their game..but more imporatantly i think we rep an ace alot strong vs idiots when we check flop lead turn....i also think if we lead small....they will almost always raise with an ace....
i think especially an idiot will tell himself hero wouldn't bet an a33 board with an ace in his hand....
note on the last hand i posted, i don't play that way....i check flop, show small strength on turn and bomb river...ish....
depends on opponents tendencies. Raise pre from MP button calls. Flop 823 2 hearts 1c. you have ajc. you cbet he calls. turn 7c. you check he bets you ship. This depends on stack sizes obv, dont have the time to get into too much detail but you get the idea. If your gonna bluff a floater do it where if he calls you stll have decent equity in the hand. This play is super strong and make him hate himself for betting his heart draw on the turn. Next time he will be very hesitant to bet the turn on you. STOP SHOWING YOUR HANDS! lol If people want to float let them you dont risk that much with a raise and cbet. They wont call you 100% of the time, FACT lol. Your gonna have hands sometimes too which you should be getting paid off by. I feel like most of these comments are getting repeatitive so this is all Im saying haha if you wanna risk your stack playing like that, be my guest, maybe it works for you, but you couldnt pay me to play those hands the way you did.
you check he bets you ship. This depends on stack sizes obv, dont have the time to get into too much detail but you get the idea. If your gonna bluff a floater do it where if he calls you stll have decent equity in the hand.
which is not when we have qjd on a non diamond a33 board....
I feel like most of these comments are getting repeatitive so this is all Im saying haha if you wanna risk your stack playing like that, be my guest, maybe it works for you, but you couldnt pay me to play those hands the way you did.
im just saying that a moron is likely to try and float med strength hands.... on an ace high fairly dry board..... im not leveling myself...he doesn't know this...he doesn't guage the board...but he definetly wants to peel one card..and see if we are serious....for the simple reason that even a moron knows we don't bet a flopped full house...
here is a little different but shows what we are dealing with....
this seems like abc poker, first thing you learn. Dont play your bluffs and made hands different or opponents pick up on your betting patterns. Your hurting my brain right now. Im too tired for this
this seems like abc poker, first thing you learn. Dont play your bluffs and made hands different or opponents pick up on your betting patterns. Your hurting my brain right now. Im too tired for this
this is micro stakes vs retard fish donkey ....:mad:
stop saying that, it tilts me. Playing against bad players, means you should play worse? There are bad players in all stakes right now.
ok i won't say it...:-\
so...
if we find for example that a losing player will call our overbet shove when we have the nuts on a given board in a given circumstance with any made hand they have....then we are going to make that same overbet shove vs them with air so they don't figure us out?
because i am not in the habit of betting air when i know they will call....am i seriously supposed to balance vs someone who will stack of on a raised pot pre and an ace high flop with k6o?
lol like talking to a 10 year old.............dont bluff that player? i think your idea of bluffing and mine are different
no no no....don't shut me out please.....you are all my only hope obi wan kenobe's....
but yes we don't bluff that not with thin cbet with zero equity....like the op....the only thing we do is make him think we don't have an ace...its what less than good players think (is that what we call them).....but if we delay cbet a less than stellar player....he will always put us on an ace....
EDIT: and we can bluff these players...but i think that it can't be a normally bluff like i could have a set or something, it has to be glaringly obvious to him we have a strong and we have to be certain he has a very weak hand...
here for example against the average break even player i think this is a horrible flop to cbet with our hand....
as i said, these posts are getting repeative, I say same thing you come back with same arguement. So just read my previous posts. Im not gonna change my thoughts and apparently either are you. gl today
as i said, these posts are getting repeative, I say same thing you come back with same arguement. So just read my previous posts. Im not gonna change my thoughts and apparently either are you. gl today
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The guy bluffing always believes he's repping the nuts
Also, to me that guy is repping an ace, a strong king, a flush and a missed flushdraw pretty equally
i was gonna end this thread but i think its still open....
Full Tilt, NL Hold'em Tournament, 20/40 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG: 4,020
UTG+1: 1,295
MP1: 5,880
MP2: 3,040
CO: 3,350
Yodabatman (BTN): 2,940
SB: 3,765
BB: 2,190
Pre-Flop: (60) A
4 folds, CO raises to 96, Yodabatman raises to 240, SB folds, BB calls 200, CO folds
Flop: (596) 4
BB checks, Yodabatman bets 400, BB calls 400
Turn: (1,396) 4
BB checks, Yodabatman bets 2,300 and is All-In, BB folds
Results: 1,396 Pot
Yodabatman showed A
Full Tilt, NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG: 4,990
UTG+1: 2,552
MP1: 4,685
Yodabatman (MP2): 5,675
CO: 4,475
BTN: 6,575
SB: 6,430
BB: 3,890
Pre-Flop: (45) 9
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls 30, MP1 folds, Yodabatman raises to 120, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls 90
Flop: (285) K
UTG+1 checks, Yodabatman bets 180, UTG+1 calls 180
Turn: (645) K
UTG+1 checks, Yodabatman checks
River: (645) K
UTG+1 checks, Yodabatman checks
Results: 645 Pot
UTG+1 showed T
Yodabatman showed 9
i don't agree im risking to much here....
i do think habituall limp/callers pre..habitually float flops....and i think cbetting with are and giving up on the turn just plays into their game..but more imporatantly i think we rep an ace alot strong vs idiots when we check flop lead turn....i also think if we lead small....they will almost always raise with an ace....
i think especially an idiot will tell himself hero wouldn't bet an a33 board with an ace in his hand....
note on the last hand i posted, i don't play that way....i check flop, show small strength on turn and bomb river...ish....
i don't show my hands, im way past that understanding....this is the convertor saying that i did :mad:
and on the first hand i think we risk more than we make if we decide to give up everytime villain calls cbet....
this i don't understand...are you saying we are taking the same lines with made hands and bluffs.....?
im just saying that a moron is likely to try and float med strength hands.... on an ace high fairly dry board..... im not leveling myself...he doesn't know this...he doesn't guage the board...but he definetly wants to peel one card..and see if we are serious....for the simple reason that even a moron knows we don't bet a flopped full house...
here is a little different but shows what we are dealing with....
BTN: 17,662
SB: 7,781
Yodabatman (BB): 8,380
UTG: 8,674
UTG+1: 6,132
UTG+2: 5,455
MP1: 3,100
MP2: 18,244
CO: 16,960
Pre-Flop: (1,050) A
7 folds, SB calls 200, Yodabatman raises to 1,200, SB calls 800
Flop: (2,850) 5
SB checks, Yodabatman bets 800, SB raises to 1,600, Yodabatman calls 800
Turn: (6,050) 5
SB bets 2,000, Yodabatman raises to 5,530 and is All-In, SB calls 2,931 and is All-In
River: (15,912) 5
Results: 15,912 Pot
SB showed K
Yodabatman showed A
why would i take a winning line vs a moron AND the opposite losing line against the same player?
so...
if we find for example that a losing player will call our overbet shove when we have the nuts on a given board in a given circumstance with any made hand they have....then we are going to make that same overbet shove vs them with air so they don't figure us out?
because i am not in the habit of betting air when i know they will call....am i seriously supposed to balance vs someone who will stack of on a raised pot pre and an ace high flop with k6o?
but yes we don't bluff that not with thin cbet with zero equity....like the op....the only thing we do is make him think we don't have an ace...its what less than good players think (is that what we call them).....but if we delay cbet a less than stellar player....he will always put us on an ace....
EDIT: and we can bluff these players...but i think that it can't be a normally bluff like i could have a set or something, it has to be glaringly obvious to him we have a strong and we have to be certain he has a very weak hand...
here for example against the average break even player i think this is a horrible flop to cbet with our hand....
Hand History Preview
Poker Stars, $10 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 60/120 Blinds, 15 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BB: 1,550
UTG: 7,404
UTG+1: 5,208
UTG+2: 2,070
MP1: 3,027
MP2: 1,700
Yodabatman (CO): 3,823
BTN: 4,335
SB: 6,354
Pre-Flop: (315) Q
5 folds, Yodabatman raises to 270, 2 folds, BB calls 150
Flop: (735) 5
BB checks, Yodabatman checks
Turn: (735) 5
BB checks, Yodabatman bets 360, BB folds
Results: 735 Pot
Yodabatman showed Q