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Poker Stars, $4 + $0.40 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
MP2: 4,100
Yodabatman (CO): 2,395
BTN: 2,830
SB: 3,459
BB: 2,810
UTG: 2,555
UTG+1: 3,180
UTG+2: 2,410
MP1: 2,760
Pre-Flop: (75) Q
J dealt to Yodabatman (CO)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 50, MP1 calls 50, MP2 folds, Yodabatman raises to 275, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls 225, MP1 folds
Flop: (675) A
3 3
(2 Players)
UTG+2 checks, Yodabatman checks
Turn: (675) A 3 3/B] K[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif[/IMG] [B (2 Players)
UTG+2 checks, Yodabatman bets 275, UTG+2 calls 275
River: (1,225) A 3 3 K/B] 8[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif[/IMG] [B (2 Players)
UTG+2 checks, Yodabatman bets 1,845 and is All-In, UTG+2 folds
Results: 1,225 Pot
Yodabatman showed Q J and WON 1,225 (+675 NET)
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
MP2: 4,100
Yodabatman (CO): 2,395
BTN: 2,830
SB: 3,459
BB: 2,810
UTG: 2,555
UTG+1: 3,180
UTG+2: 2,410
MP1: 2,760
Pre-Flop: (75) Q
J dealt to Yodabatman (CO)2 folds, UTG+2 calls 50, MP1 calls 50, MP2 folds, Yodabatman raises to 275, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls 225, MP1 folds
Flop: (675) A
3 3 (2 Players)UTG+2 checks, Yodabatman checks
Turn: (675) A
3 3/B] K[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif[/IMG] [B (2 Players)![/B] K[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif[/IMG] [B](/?page=%2FB%5D_K%5BIMG%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.leggopoker.com%2Fhh%2Fimages%2Fdiamond.gif%5B%2FIMG%5D_%5BB){kind=link}
UTG+2 checks, Yodabatman bets 275, UTG+2 calls 275
River: (1,225) A
3 3 K/B] 8[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif[/IMG] [B (2 Players)![/B] 8[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif[/IMG] [B](/?page=%2FB%5D_8%5BIMG%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.leggopoker.com%2Fhh%2Fimages%2Fdiamond.gif%5B%2FIMG%5D_%5BB){kind=link}
UTG+2 checks, Yodabatman bets 1,845 and is All-In, UTG+2 folds
Results: 1,225 Pot
Yodabatman showed Q
J and WON 1,225 (+675 NET)
Comments
oops i didnt mean to show that i showed...:-[....here though i changed the hand history, my actually cards were actually just a big middle finger for call a 3bet with air and then floating the flop.
And take it down most of the time. Otherwise shut down/reassess on the turn.
???
If we get floated too much though we cannot beat a bloated pot oop position with no cars.....
i think..
EDIT: none of this makes sense nor is relevant...
I could be wrong here..but this is what I think..
In this case, he limp called..my range for him would be suited connectors and small pairs, and suited shitty aces..I feel like smaller pairs are the biggest portion here
I bet the flop to price him out of any draws, and fold any small pairs.
When he calls our near 2/3 flop bet, we know he is seeing the river card regardless..its a four buck tourney and he either has us beat and isn't leaving or will go all the way with his draw...so we can check it down, and we have some showdown value with a high card vs his missed flush.
At the end, if we lose we still have 30+bigs.
As played, the turn bet is too small to scare anything away..not sure the reason for the bet.
villains entire preflop calling range floats the turn. only aces good kings and maybe queens really call the shove. and usually he raises the top the hands pre.... its hard for him to call a shove with enough of his range....maybe....
and villain is certainly a fish with the limp call pre....
We rep a ton of ace hands as the pre-flop raiser?? How do we rep that we're giving up when we c-bet? What would we do with AK/AQ/AJ? I think you're being results oriented here, there's no way c-betting isn't profitable vs. like 100% of limp/callers on this flop.
i don't think we rep giving up, but i think if our plan is to give up, we aren't winning in the long run because to many players that will limp call a squeeze, will float a flop like this....
we would check them to disguise them as a hand like qq then but small on the turn and hope to get re raised!
not saying your wrong but, profitable isn't whats most important though...
???
you're giving random fish wayyy too much credit here darb, they don't float, they don't put you on hands (well, not logical ranges), they don't perceive you to have hands they can bluff you off later streets, they think "did I hit the flop? nah... fold" or they think "did his AK hit? yes? fold, no? min-raise or call". This flop is one that misses probably 60%+ of their range and if we half pot it they only have to fold 1/3 of the time. Even if they were floating some % of the time on these flops then I still don't think they're floating so much that it makes us not win the pot at least 33% of the time in a heads up pot.
That could be what you do, but you should be bet/bet/shoving. The reason why we still be our value hands here when we expect them to fold 60%+ of the time, is that when they call they usually have a top pair which is going to still be top pair on the turn and the river, and fish hate folding top pair, so we can go for 3-streets.
Well our plays being profitable is a little bit important in this game, but I can only assume you're saying it's more important to play optimally. I think that c-betting here with 100% of your air is definitely optimal vs. nearly anyone, and the people that it might not be optimal against are going to be the best players, not the worst.
i think we can rep an ace better if we check the flop and bet small on the turn...well my thought is that the turn will bring few cards that help villains range...
i dont feel its playing over their heads....when i check the flop and bet the turn like that many players write comments like 'your and idiot i fold kk (not on a king to obvs) but my point is, they feel its obvious i have ak
Probably only because you remember them more...just like ace high flops when you have kings..
maybe i can filterate and find out for myself....:p
Hand History Preview
Poker Stars, $10 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 50 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
MP1: 11,096
MP2: 9,057
CO: 4,270
BTN: 32,170
SB: 9,562
BB: 25,020
UTG: 6,248
UTG+1: 21,487
Yodabatman (UTG+2): 9,445
Pre-Flop: (900) 7
2 folds, Yodabatman raises to 675, 4 folds, SB calls 525, BB folds
Flop: (2,100) K
SB checks, Yodabatman checks
Turn: (2,100) K
SB bets 600, Yodabatman calls 600
River: (3,300) K
SB bets 1,500, Yodabatman raises to 8,120 and is All-In, SB folds
Results: 6,300 Pot
Yodabatman showed 7
Granted, people don't play turns and river well often times but you're really being reckless bluffshoving spots where villain is repping a pretty strong hand ^^'