i also feel like your understating the shove game vekked....but maybe i overestimate it.....but i think we (didn't mean me i meant we as all poker players) spending most of our tourney lives as winning players in shove or fold situations with effective stacks....and that a great icm game can only spawn from a great chipev shoving game....
i also feel like your understating the shove game vekked....but maybe i overestimate it.....but i think we (didn't mean me i meant we as all poker players) spending most of our tourney lives as winning players in shove or fold situations with effective stacks....and that a great icm game can only spawn from a great chipev shoving game....
So you're saying that to be a good reg and have good MTT results you need to be a good pusbotter?
So you're saying that to be a good reg and have good MTT results you need to be a good pusbotter?
yes but i am not arguing the fact i just was under the impression thats where online players begin to make there monies....by exploiting those who don't....
but can we seriously resonabley think that moorman1 doesn't push and call to an extremely accurate degree....?
yes but i am not arguing the fact i just was under the impression thats where online players begin to make there monies....by exploiting those who don't....
but can we seriously resonabley think that moorman1 doesn't push and call to an extremely accurate degree....?
Not every player makes their money purely through pushbotting. There are some great cash players who make money at MTTs and are probably pretty poor at shortstack play, but more than make up with it through deepstack play. I think a lot of the best MTT players are good because they are great with 30-50BB stacks, and are decent enough to get by at 20 and less. Some pro's make pretty big mistakes with shoving and calling, I see it all the time, especially in super turbo's. I don't know enough about moorman's shortstack play but I don't think it's unreasonable for any top pro to potentially have pretty big shortstack leaks, it all depends on whether that's one of their strengths or not. There are plenty of good MTT players who are probably -EV in the highstakes turbo's/super turbo's the play.
Not every player makes their money purely through pushbotting. There are some great cash players who make money at MTTs and are probably pretty poor at shortstack play, but more than make up with it through deepstack play. I think a lot of the best MTT players are good because they are great with 30-50BB stacks, and are decent enough to get by at 20 and less. Some pro's make pretty big mistakes with shoving and calling, I see it all the time, especially in super turbo's. I don't know enough about moorman's shortstack play but I don't think it's unreasonable for any top pro to potentially have pretty big shortstack leaks, it all depends on whether that's one of their strengths or not. There are plenty of good MTT players who are probably -EV in the highstakes turbo's/super turbo's the play.
i would have never of believed this....and i can't understand why....
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So you're saying that to be a good reg and have good MTT results you need to be a good pusbotter?
but can we seriously resonabley think that moorman1 doesn't push and call to an extremely accurate degree....?
hahahaha, awesome.
But yes this is a shove, I recall this very conversation I had with another u.k. online pro LUFC bas on this very hand with your stack size.
also this:
Snoopy: Ever played drunk?
CM: Yeah, but I actually play better when I'm drunk.
Not every player makes their money purely through pushbotting. There are some great cash players who make money at MTTs and are probably pretty poor at shortstack play, but more than make up with it through deepstack play. I think a lot of the best MTT players are good because they are great with 30-50BB stacks, and are decent enough to get by at 20 and less. Some pro's make pretty big mistakes with shoving and calling, I see it all the time, especially in super turbo's. I don't know enough about moorman's shortstack play but I don't think it's unreasonable for any top pro to potentially have pretty big shortstack leaks, it all depends on whether that's one of their strengths or not. There are plenty of good MTT players who are probably -EV in the highstakes turbo's/super turbo's the play.
i would have never of believed this....and i can't understand why....
lol oh and when rick re shoves 97o but not open ship jts
id better win...???