sorry, mistype. On that flop, you're a 75% fav against any 2 cards (was discussing the kids's math, had a stupid ratio problem in my head at the time) . Unless you got the read of God on your side, I'm NOT calling or folding this hand here.
sorry, mistype. On that flop, you're a 75% fav against any 2 cards (was discussing the kids's math, had a stupid ratio problem in my head at the time) . Unless you got the read of God on your side, I'm NOT calling or folding this hand here.
lol awesome.....ya were prob just worse than the pot odds here, but knowing that sometimes even if its small villain folds and sometimes he has funky bad hands its surely break even at worse but its really only break even and of course we would like to see a fold.
this all happened from the preflop call.....(damn did i call it a cold call?)
sorry, mistype. On that flop, you're a 75% fav against any 2 cards (was discussing the kids's math, had a stupid ratio problem in my head at the time) . Unless you got the read of God on your side, I'm NOT calling or folding this hand here.
I guess we have to agree to disagree then cuz I don't put villian on 2 randoms at almost anytime, (well except if it's Happy) so you're really unlikely to be 75% fav. I prefer to play poker rather than flippaments... especially in a cash game. Tournament, different story, no choice as blinds climb.
I guess we have to agree to disagree then cuz I don't put villian on 2 randoms at almost anytime, (well except if it's Happy) so you're really unlikely to be 75% fav. I prefer to play poker rather than flippaments... especially in a cash game. Tournament, different story, no choice as blinds climb.
i don't think he meant that 75%
we are a coinflip to win a coinflip, plus he may fold or show up with air.
Saying you won't have much better chance than in this spot, that's all.
75% was the equity calculation on the flop against any random hand. Sure, villain may have 2pr or better, but against an unknown, you're the favourite to win on the flop.
Coin Flip? Sure it is, but the game is won and lost by them. When are you not risking it in this game anyway? You know you're behind but with the chance to improve like this one, I'll take a coin flip damn near everytime.
I don't think reads are that paramount in this case. You have to know you're behind here regardless.
75% was the equity calculation on the flop against any random hand. Sure, villain may have 2pr or better, but against an unknown, you're the favourite to win on the flop..
Then why flip when you know you're a better player than that? Op only has $10. of his $280. invested... May as well play red or black roulette...
Jeff seriously...you would fold or call here instead? You would fold a monster draw? Calling here is wrong because if you do hit your flush or miracle gutshot on the turn, you're not likely to get paid off anymore and you win minimum.
Lose $10 already invested or be the aggressor and shove and flip to double up. Its $1/$2 big whoop. Not going to win them all, but you're not going to lose them all either.
You're just wishing it true....... lol, and I can't believe Darb and I agree (almost)...:p
ya its fine that you wouldn't shove this, theres not so much money to be made in this hand but you can double up or lose your stack.....variance...so it makes sense some would shove and you wouldn't
Time for my two cents. Let's forget you know that UTG had K-4 for a moment.
Its raised to $10 - in a 1/2 live game, that's not a huge raise, four callers and not one of them is the blind. Flop is K-4-J, two diamonds and UTG led out for more than the pot.
To me that screams, I have a naked king and hate the diamonds. I would take it that my Ace would be good if it hit plus any diamond, 12 outs. Also, this guy just limped and called the reaise pre flop, he has shown no agression to suggest he has a good hand, until now.
K-9, K-T, may be K-J and K-Q - If we call, it says draw, if we shove, it says draw. So why not raise him and make it $120, we only have $160 behind, we have the odds to call if he shoves and it looks way stronger than calling or shoving.
Jeff seriously...you would fold or call here instead? You would fold a monster draw? Calling here is wrong because if you do hit your flush or miracle gutshot on the turn, you're not likely to get paid off anymore and you win minimum.
Lose $10 already invested or be the aggressor and shove and flip to double up. Its $1/$2 big whoop. Not going to win them all, but you're not going to lose them all either.
You obviously didn't read or understand my first post. I said if we were deep enough and I thought villian would call future bets if I hit I could call. If both aren't true I fold. If we're effectively shallow I likely push, especially if there is significant value in the pot and I believe that villian may fold.
I do not play flippaments for $280. even at 1/2..
As for your comment that "It's $1/$2 big whoop" that's nonsensical and just poor poker.
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Just read Devons post, interesting take on it. Let me think about that option.
Time for my two cents. Let's forget you know that UTG had K-4 for a moment.
Its raised to $10 - in a 1/2 live game, that's not a huge raise, four callers and not one of them is the blind. Flop is K-4-J, two diamonds and UTG led out for more than the pot.
To me that screams, I have a naked king and hate the diamonds. I would take it that my Ace would be good if it hit plus any diamond, 12 outs. Also, this guy just limped and called the reaise pre flop, he has shown no agression to suggest he has a good hand, until now.
K-9, K-T, may be K-J and K-Q - If we call, it says draw, if we shove, it says draw. So why not raise him and make it $120, we only have $160 behind, we have the odds to call if he shoves and it looks way stronger than calling or shoving.
im down but i don't think it changes much...im gonna keep that one though
I guess we have to agree to disagree then cuz I don't put villian on 2 randoms at almost anytime, (well except if it's Happy) so you're really unlikely to be 75% fav. I prefer to play poker rather than flippaments... especially in a cash game. Tournament, different story, no choice as blinds climb.
You are very unlucky and wise to fold everything against happy unless he is still in the hand and you have shoved Pre Flop.
CAUSE THE BASTARD ALWAYS HITS with whatever is in his hand. Especially if he is bounty hunting.
You are very unlucky and wise to fold everything against happy unless he is still in the hand and you have shoved Pre Flop.
CAUSE THE BASTARD ALWAYS HITS with whatever is in his hand. Especially if he is bounty hunting.
Just my 2 cents. I used to play A-10 suited and off suit. It's a great hand to draw Str8s. Used to hit a lot of them by the time the turn hit.
No such luck online with this hand. Hit 2 pair on the flop either way suited or os and the ass who is in the hand has either hit a flush or ends up rivering the better of the 2 hands. Jack never shows up when you need it the most. No other Ace shows up unless you have shoved with K-K and someone calls with A-RAG. There's my small rant. I have started to fold this hand instantly . It just makes me want to puke every time I see it. This is online.
Live: A-10 in this situation I think you are right. Regardless of what you do this guy is going to call.
I would have re raised to 40.00 with this hand. K-4 unless he is an absolute retard has to fold. Other than this I cannot see him calling that much of a raise.
People may say I am crazy for re raising but none of them have actually sat down and played 1-2 Casino poker with me. Totally different player.
BTW. I went to Niagara early last week. Played from 9-4:30 and came home with 1600. Ask The misses. I gave it to her.
Just my 2 cents. I used to play A-10 suited and off suit. It's a great hand to draw Str8s. Used to hit a lot of them by the time the turn hit.
No such luck online with this hand. Hit 2 pair on the flop either way suited or os and the ass who is in the hand has either hit a flush or ends up rivering the better of the 2 hands. Jack never shows up when you need it the most. No other Ace shows up unless you have shoved with K-K and someone calls with A-RAG. There's my small rant. I have started to fold this hand instantly . It just makes me want to puke every time I see it. This is online.
Live: A-10 in this situation I think you are right. Regardless of what you do this guy is going to call.
I would have re raised to 40.00 with this hand. K-4 unless he is an absolute retard has to fold. Other than this I cannot see him calling that much of a raise.
People may say I am crazy for re raising but none of them have actually sat down and played 1-2 Casino poker with me. Totally different player.
BTW. I went to Niagara early last week. Played from 9-4:30 and came home with 1600. Ask The misses. I gave it to her.
I love when you make strategy posts. They instantly remind me why I continue to play.
Depending for 60 its an easy fold and or run it twice...calling here puts you 25% deep into it, against anything not a set your not very behind, yes 2 pair is big your huge live....calling here can work if you get another call then you have to get it in, pot odds all that....easier fold than deccision
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sorry, mistype. On that flop, you're a 75% fav against any 2 cards (was discussing the kids's math, had a stupid ratio problem in my head at the time) . Unless you got the read of God on your side, I'm NOT calling or folding this hand here.
this all happened from the preflop call.....(damn did i call it a cold call?)
i don't think he meant that 75%
we are a coinflip to win a coinflip, plus he may fold or show up with air.
ship and make a buck or fold and don't
75% was the equity calculation on the flop against any random hand. Sure, villain may have 2pr or better, but against an unknown, you're the favourite to win on the flop.
Coin Flip? Sure it is, but the game is won and lost by them. When are you not risking it in this game anyway? You know you're behind but with the chance to improve like this one, I'll take a coin flip damn near everytime.
I don't think reads are that paramount in this case. You have to know you're behind here regardless.
with any of us its a snap shove cause all the variables are different but here its a 50/50..theres no real gain here, shove or fold.
you can't do it like that ???
no the game is tied by them.....cause they are 50/50
math says shove but were not really making any monies.....you could shove or fold here...
EDIT: NO WAIT, I MEAN, ITS A SILLY HH LOCK THE THREAD!!!
Always play red. It hits more often then black. My anecdotal evidence will prove it true.
You're just wishing it true....... lol, and I can't believe Darb and I agree (almost)...:p
Jeff seriously...you would fold or call here instead? You would fold a monster draw? Calling here is wrong because if you do hit your flush or miracle gutshot on the turn, you're not likely to get paid off anymore and you win minimum.
Lose $10 already invested or be the aggressor and shove and flip to double up. Its $1/$2 big whoop. Not going to win them all, but you're not going to lose them all either.
yes calling is wrong.....flipping to double up is zero
EDIT: NO....this hand is killing ME!!!
Its raised to $10 - in a 1/2 live game, that's not a huge raise, four callers and not one of them is the blind. Flop is K-4-J, two diamonds and UTG led out for more than the pot.
To me that screams, I have a naked king and hate the diamonds. I would take it that my Ace would be good if it hit plus any diamond, 12 outs. Also, this guy just limped and called the reaise pre flop, he has shown no agression to suggest he has a good hand, until now.
K-9, K-T, may be K-J and K-Q - If we call, it says draw, if we shove, it says draw. So why not raise him and make it $120, we only have $160 behind, we have the odds to call if he shoves and it looks way stronger than calling or shoving.
You obviously didn't read or understand my first post. I said if we were deep enough and I thought villian would call future bets if I hit I could call. If both aren't true I fold. If we're effectively shallow I likely push, especially if there is significant value in the pot and I believe that villian may fold.
I do not play flippaments for $280. even at 1/2..
As for your comment that "It's $1/$2 big whoop" that's nonsensical and just poor poker.
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Just read Devons post, interesting take on it. Let me think about that option.
im down but i don't think it changes much...im gonna keep that one though
CAUSE THE BASTARD ALWAYS HITS with whatever is in his hand. Especially if he is bounty hunting.
Very short sighted thinking....
No such luck online with this hand. Hit 2 pair on the flop either way suited or os and the ass who is in the hand has either hit a flush or ends up rivering the better of the 2 hands. Jack never shows up when you need it the most. No other Ace shows up unless you have shoved with K-K and someone calls with A-RAG. There's my small rant. I have started to fold this hand instantly . It just makes me want to puke every time I see it. This is online.
Live: A-10 in this situation I think you are right. Regardless of what you do this guy is going to call.
I would have re raised to 40.00 with this hand. K-4 unless he is an absolute retard has to fold. Other than this I cannot see him calling that much of a raise.
People may say I am crazy for re raising but none of them have actually sat down and played 1-2 Casino poker with me. Totally different player.
BTW. I went to Niagara early last week. Played from 9-4:30 and came home with 1600. Ask The misses. I gave it to her.
I love when you make strategy posts. They instantly remind me why I continue to play.
You forgot to mention that you left the house w $3,000
I was thinking this but couldn't be bothered to type it
lol, Ron, you have to get to Vegas with us sometime...... But bring lots of moolah, you will need it...
Actually I left with $350.00. 50 went to gas.