ITT Kristy_Sea gets herself Permabanned
For those of you not following the drama, I, the most openly gay member of this forum am coming off a one week ban for either "gay bashing" or "personal attacks"
I intend to use this thread to demonstrate why both of those accusations are false, and show that I am owed an apology.
Along side my argument I am reposting the pictures for which I was banned and CPF can likely kiss my lily white ass good bye. I expect to be permabanned as I doubt that the admins will admit, even in the face of my irrefutable proof that the first ban was unprecedented and unfair, that they were wrong.
I love this forum, I'm sad that it has come to this.
A Ban-able offense:
Point #1: I'm the queerest folk in this joint.
My Avatar
I can't imagine there is any question of my position or that anyone would actually believe for a second that I was not pro-gay..but let's imagine that they did:
Here is my 'coming out' post: http://www.pokerforum.ca/105751-post11.html
I am clearly pro gay, my avatar shows that and anyone who reads this forum knows the same. Potential err resolved.
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Let's attack this ban from a different angle now:
Were the question not "Is this photo is offensive?"; but rather "Is it with in the context of the other photos, ideologies and posts that have been allowed in the past?"
The answer is a resounding "YES" This question is important because it demonstrates that Graham was speaking falsely when he said:
Point #2: The allowable use of the word fuck has been debated, voted on and decided in this thread: "Should the f-word be converted?"
62.86% of respondents voted 'no it should not be filtred' and the swear filtre was removed.
Conclusion: The word FUCK is allowed. In this respect my picture is fine.
Point #3: Despite the fact that I am clearly PRO-gay, is gay bashing allowed on this forum?
The answer is a resounding "YES"
The thread in which I 'came out' was entitled "This song is ruined for me now"
The OP depicted clips of loving gay couples to the song "Don't Matter" by Akon. In that thread, the OP (DjAlikool) was flagrantly homophobic and anti-gay and whose sentiment was later backed by such notable posters as Beanie42 and Prophet22. There posts called gay lifestyles immoral, disgusting and offensive.
There was no action taken against any of these blatantly anti-gay posters.
Conclusion: Gay-bashing and anti-gay sentiment are allowed on Pokerforum.ca
Point #4: Personal Attacks are allowed on Pokerforum.ca
Don't get me wrong, I love this about this forum.
Instances of personal attack that went unpunished off the top of my head:
Thread/Poster/Offense
"Freeeeee Kristy"/ PhilliIvey/Calls a poster a 'bitch'
"My first PDA"/13cards/ Calls a poster stupid
"My first PDA"/Kristy_Sea/ Calls a poster a fucking asshole with a small penis
"Happy Bday Steve Kerr/ Graham calls someone who did not post in thread an old whore
"This song is ruined for me now"/ Kristy_Sea/ Calls OP a moron and offers to slit his wrists for him
"This song is ruined for me now"/Beanie42/ Calls my lifestyle offensive
"(Any 13cards thread ever)"/the forum at large
Conclusion: The reality is that we are adults, policing against "Personal Attacks" stopped years ago..and so it should have. There is NO current standard to ban someone for this.
For more on my thoughts on this subject feel free to consult the Free Rocco thread.
This post is overlong, please trust me when I say, I can show this forum tolerates Racism, Homophobia, Sexism, ageism, and my right to call any of the perpetrators of the aforementioned..."fucking idiots"
And that is what I love about Pokerforum.
I could write more, but I believe that I've shown the following things included in my...
Cliff's notes:
1. I am not anti-gay
2. Gay bashing IS allowed on this forum
3. Personal attacks are allowed on this forum
4. We, the forum at large have voted and do not want a swear filtre
5. This ban and my demodding is not in keeping with the way Pokerforum.ca is conducted, I was centred out on unsound logic and I am owed an apology.
As I said in both February of last year and reiterated in the PM Graham quoted in the Freeeee Kristy thread:
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
I intend to use this thread to demonstrate why both of those accusations are false, and show that I am owed an apology.
PM from Graham wrote:Was that really necessary?
I removed that pic as not only is it offensive, it isn't even funny.
"Please don't post retarded stuff like this here. This isn't Life Tilt.
Along side my argument I am reposting the pictures for which I was banned and CPF can likely kiss my lily white ass good bye. I expect to be permabanned as I doubt that the admins will admit, even in the face of my irrefutable proof that the first ban was unprecedented and unfair, that they were wrong.
I love this forum, I'm sad that it has come to this.
A Ban-able offense:
Point #1: I'm the queerest folk in this joint.
My Avatar
I can't imagine there is any question of my position or that anyone would actually believe for a second that I was not pro-gay..but let's imagine that they did:
Here is my 'coming out' post: http://www.pokerforum.ca/105751-post11.html
I am clearly pro gay, my avatar shows that and anyone who reads this forum knows the same. Potential err resolved.
_______________________________________________
Let's attack this ban from a different angle now:
Were the question not "Is this photo is offensive?"; but rather "Is it with in the context of the other photos, ideologies and posts that have been allowed in the past?"
The answer is a resounding "YES" This question is important because it demonstrates that Graham was speaking falsely when he said:
I asked Kristy nicely to not post an offensive picture that violated the forum rules after I edited it out of her original post.
Point #2: The allowable use of the word fuck has been debated, voted on and decided in this thread: "Should the f-word be converted?"
62.86% of respondents voted 'no it should not be filtred' and the swear filtre was removed.
Conclusion: The word FUCK is allowed. In this respect my picture is fine.
Point #3: Despite the fact that I am clearly PRO-gay, is gay bashing allowed on this forum?
The answer is a resounding "YES"
The thread in which I 'came out' was entitled "This song is ruined for me now"
The OP depicted clips of loving gay couples to the song "Don't Matter" by Akon. In that thread, the OP (DjAlikool) was flagrantly homophobic and anti-gay and whose sentiment was later backed by such notable posters as Beanie42 and Prophet22. There posts called gay lifestyles immoral, disgusting and offensive.
There was no action taken against any of these blatantly anti-gay posters.
Conclusion: Gay-bashing and anti-gay sentiment are allowed on Pokerforum.ca
Point #4: Personal Attacks are allowed on Pokerforum.ca
Don't get me wrong, I love this about this forum.
Instances of personal attack that went unpunished off the top of my head:
Thread/Poster/Offense
"Freeeeee Kristy"/ PhilliIvey/Calls a poster a 'bitch'
"My first PDA"/13cards/ Calls a poster stupid
"My first PDA"/Kristy_Sea/ Calls a poster a fucking asshole with a small penis
"Happy Bday Steve Kerr/ Graham calls someone who did not post in thread an old whore
"This song is ruined for me now"/ Kristy_Sea/ Calls OP a moron and offers to slit his wrists for him
"This song is ruined for me now"/Beanie42/ Calls my lifestyle offensive
"(Any 13cards thread ever)"/the forum at large
Conclusion: The reality is that we are adults, policing against "Personal Attacks" stopped years ago..and so it should have. There is NO current standard to ban someone for this.
For more on my thoughts on this subject feel free to consult the Free Rocco thread.
This post is overlong, please trust me when I say, I can show this forum tolerates Racism, Homophobia, Sexism, ageism, and my right to call any of the perpetrators of the aforementioned..."fucking idiots"
And that is what I love about Pokerforum.
I could write more, but I believe that I've shown the following things included in my...
Cliff's notes:
1. I am not anti-gay
2. Gay bashing IS allowed on this forum
3. Personal attacks are allowed on this forum
4. We, the forum at large have voted and do not want a swear filtre
5. This ban and my demodding is not in keeping with the way Pokerforum.ca is conducted, I was centred out on unsound logic and I am owed an apology.
As I said in both February of last year and reiterated in the PM Graham quoted in the Freeeee Kristy thread:
Kristy_Sea Feb. 25th, 2008 wrote:I will not be edited or censored. It is clearly win-win for me to stand firm on this, either you ban me and I stop wasting time on a forum that is (at that point) no longer fun for me; or you allow me to post and repost in a manner that I'm enjoying and the fellow forumers make the 'ignore decision' for themselves.. I continue logging hours and hours.
Best of luck either way.
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
Comments
need pics of gay women fucking obv
I won a bet based on the fact that-that is all that you would come up with.
Thank you Sir.
Anyhoo, nice to see you again Kristy. Hope you are able to stick around.
+1
Thank you for keeping this to the life tilt section this time.
I made a post in the off-topic section to discuss something positive (a nice change in the weather) and your response was that pic. There is so much negativity out there, that some times its nice to look at something positive. Instead, you wanted to post some pic that I found as both a personal attack on me, and also a general hateful post. I kindly asked you to remove it and you said no and reposted it. I am not here to "police" or "control" these forums like I know you will make me out to, but at some point we have to draw a line.
I can't force you to post here, that choice is yours. But, this after all is a Poker Forum, and not a place to come post hateful material.
I understand from his perspective that the forum is a public area and that he picked it up with the purpose of eventually getting some $$$$ from it and some of the content on it may violate those goals in terms of getting new users to view it.
HOWEVER...
I also know Graham knows Kristy can generate page views, keep people who don't come here strictly for the poker coming back to the forum and generate posts. I'm pretty sure (90%) this is the reason Life Tilt exists and why Kristy was made mod.
NOTE: In the interest of full disclosure I want to have much secksi-time with Kristy and want to also watch her sexin' up the ladies
So here's my 2 cents.
You can't have it both ways. You can't have Kristy generate page views and keep the forum live and yet censor her (especially when this forum has a history of this type of behaviour) at the drop of a hat.
In this specific case, it looks like she's made some good points in regards to other people who have demonstrated similar actions but yet don't have the tongue-in-cheekness (amongst other places her tongue may have been) that Kristy's experience brings. Yet, these people are allowed to post.
Just make a decision either way, Kristy will stay/go and life on PFC.ca will continue. However, understand that both decisions have a series of consequences. You ban Kristy, and this forum's daily activity likely dies. You let her stay and Kristy will be Kristy for any new eyes that may come to the forum.
Just pick one, because I for one am tired of these discussions every few months.
If my vote counts, I would prefer the wild west approach, but that's at least partially because I don't find the 'poker' side of this forum incredibly useful (not a veiled brag, more of an admission of reading strat posts on 2+2).
When I first came to this site..I was pretty taken aback at the "color" of some of the posting, and spoke to Graham about it.. After awhile, it became apparent that the forum has always been like this, and that is the way it was. Fair enough.
This forum is one of the very few left that actually allows/allowed "free speech"..nearly every poster on this site has said something that will offend someone, somewhere.
People need to grow some thicker skin or...GTFO.
Rules- if there are going to be some, need to be applied evenly across the board...as was said above...pick one.
Q4urAnIdiot
Welcome back Kristy.
keep on keepin on.
Let me make this easy on you, quote the box below with your answer:
Do you want me to ban your account permanently?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
QFblatantLies
QFfurtherProofYouDidNotReadOP
Originally Posted by Kristy_Sea Feb. 25th, 2008
I will not be edited or censored. It is clearly win-win for me to stand firm on this, either you ban me and I stop wasting time on a forum that is (at that point) no longer fun for me; or you allow me to post and repost in a manner that I'm enjoying and the fellow forumers make the 'ignore decision' for themselves.. I continue logging hours and hours.
Best of luck either way.
This whole thing has been you proving to me that it is your ball and you can take it and go home anytime you want. So, I believe, the choice is yours.
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I will only play fair and free:
Will you stop standing in the way of this?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Vanilla Ice
you clearly didnt read the OP, so why dont you shut up and get out of the thread. the OP has shown everything to be true that she said. so gtfo
Bwahahahaha, is this a blatant troll?
There is no way that you read the OP. Graham has not, on any front, been fair. I've proven this.
Make a contradictory point or gtfo.
I actually did read the OP, I just thought her reply to Graham's response was out of line.
Kristy then cleared up why she posted that, so calm down ffs!!:)
The first rule is that there are no rules.
So Im good right?
[ ] Understands the term 'TrainWreck'
[x] Makes ME yawn
[?] Is secretly Vanilla Ice
QFcontinuedProof
Graham, why was I centred out unfairly?
You think this is some kind of personal thing, which it clearly is not. I am not sure what the point of this thread is other than to try and piss me off to a point that I ban you, which so far is working. If you had such a problem with those other posts that you use as "examples of why I am wrong" maybe you should have said something to me when they happened. Unfortunately, you did not, nor did anyone else. This time I did notice the problem as it was a clear attack on me, and I took action. If you don't like the rules of the forum then that is your choice, but I will continue to do my best to keep this site relatively clean and free of hateful, racist, and prejudice material.
As I have said before, I think you do a lot of good stuff for this forum and I would hate to see you go, but the choice here really is YOURS. I am not going to play these childish games any more and if you continue your attacks I will have no choice but to ban your account permanently (as you planned when starting this thread).
I hope you choose to stay.
Remember when I started and you and I had this conversation when I asked about some of comments? I could probably go find the conversation on my hd...but it was something to the effect of "that is how it is around here, we don't want the regulars to leave..."
If you need to "clean things up" around here...say so. Posters can then decide if they want to stick around.
I didn't ask you to take it down, just responded in kind...because this is A FORUM FOR ADULTS and such actions of censorship are ridiculous.
You might learn to take what you dish out, kiddo
Hey, no really..you're welcome.
Much as I would like to avoid getting any of this on the bottoms of my shoes, I cannot let this post go . . .
The reason Kristy would not object to the posts she quotes in her defense is simply that she does not believe in censoring posts.
However, if you are going to censor (or ban) one member for "violations" like Kristy's, you SHOULD be consistant and censor (or ban) all members who cross that line. Personally I think the Gomez pic is neither insulting nor overly funny, but that is not relevant.
Look, Kristy can be a real bitch at times, and completely off her nut at others. But she is entertaining, and generally lucid and intelligent. At least when she remembers to take her meds. I, for one, figured that giving her this little fiefdom might actually stop this semi-regular brinksmanship that has been going on for, what (?) a couple years now?
Put me down as one of the people who wants this to be a wild west show, in terms of discourse. If I want to tell Kristy to take a Midol, that should be fine, likewise if I want to point out some hypocritical point made by some of our more religiously-oriented members.
Oh, and Kristy? Lighten up, eat meat, and try to get along . . . okay?
Graham? Take a fucking pill, man . . . any attitude that gets me to stick up for Kristy this much just cannot be a good one.
Please note that the above response is solely designed to annoy secret, Hellmuth's Mole, Phillivey, and anybody else who is sniffing around Kristy's nether regions at the moment. It is not meant flirtatiously in any way, especially if the wife reads this . . .
I can't believe you are still posting here. I love you Kristy but in the end it is a poker forum. If you want to turn it into TMZ feel free to go start your own site.
If Graham suddenly decides that this place just isn't worth it and stops paying the bills, this site ceases to exist.
You are an excellent poster when you are a giving mood. When you feel like fighting you turn this forum into the type of place that people don't want to be involved in.
That's bad for business.
This post would have been forgivable if the order were reversed. I've already proved you wrong.
and I lol and think of you every time I see that gif.
Forget history.
Forget regulars, newbs, unique ips, page views and the word poker.
The bottom line is that CPF is not a democracy. It is run by an owner, who PAYS THE BILLS.
I believe Kristy is good for the forum. She definitely has a following and even if you dislike her, you read her posts. At the end of the day, that is good for business.
An analogy: I am a drunk. I go to a bar after work every single day. I spend 5-8 times that of almost any other patron in that bar. It would seem like I am good for business correct? However, I also harass the girls that work there a bit, I get louder and mouthier with every drink and act like I own the place which pisses some people off. Am I still good for business? It is a judgment call, meant to made by the FUCKING GUY WHO PAYS THE BILLS. (And that is why I have a handful of bars I cannot go to)
I don't know Graham. But I have spoken to him through messaging a bit and I've seen him post on here. It is not fair that he posts/acts like "Mr. Business" one minute/when it suits him and he posts/acts like "One of the guys" the next. I've said worse to people on this forum than that picture was and I have never even been threatened with a ban.
CPF will never compete with 2+2, P5 etc when it comes to poker strategy talk, number of rock solid players etc. What this forum lacks in poker, it makes up for in many ways. We have a free speech, open forum community. Without Kristy, a big part of that will be gone. Which means a huge number of page views will be gone. Which in turn would make it a bad business move.
Without the antics, free speech, vulgarity and nonsense this site would just be a shitty 2+2 full of a bunch of .05/.10NL players talking about whether they should call off their stack ($6 total) with QQ to a raise and a re-reraise preflop....fucking GAY ninnies!
I think I called it in the free kristy thread. Something about it being a ploy to generate a ton of page views when she came back. I know everyone has their theories about who Kristy is and how many accounts she has. Possibility of Graham=Kristy...?