Case in point, in your situation, you raise, someone pushes, and someone else over-pushes... even on someone pushing / re-pushing light, what if someone had say AQ / AJ for the re-push, but the original all in guy had pocket pair.. normally this is a 50/50 situation, but if the other guy has an A, or even something like KQ, you're missing an out, reducing your 50/50 to a dog hand.
In a pot with two other people...you arent a dog at below 50%...your a dog at below 33%. And if you consider the pot odds...your probably not an EV dog until your under 30%
Getting 2:1 on your money...in your example...its awful to fold.
Of course, if the AQ dude has more cash, it's still a good play, but I found myself in this situation in a MTT a little while ago, I raise to 3x the BB, get a caller, and another tight(ish) player pushes. I'm now in the middle of a pusher and caller, figured the caller had an A, and would call (he was a bad player), so I folded and watched 99 win.
Why do people insist on using anecdotal stories to make points? One time I had my quad tens run over by quad kings...does that mean I shouldnt be happy getting it in with quads when there is a paired broadway card on the board?
And its a bad example to prove your point because from a expected value standpoint, its a bad fold because getting more then 2:1 on your money and your probably only about a 1.8 to 1 dog against a pair and an Ax hand.
I was giving the anecdotal to better clarify my point... personally, in a tournament structure, I like my fold there, as I was further behind any pair (the "AQ" guy ended up with A10, and had less $), so he was fairly immaterial.
I was giving the anecdotal to better clarify my point... personally, in a tournament structure, I like my fold there, as I was further behind any pair (the "AQ" guy ended up with A10, and had less $), so he was fairly immaterial.
Mark
I read your point to be "You should fold AK against a pair and an Ax hand because you are missing an out" Which is just bad advice...especially if you consider the fact that you are move of a favorite in this situation then you are heads up against an underpair.
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In a pot with two other people...you arent a dog at below 50%...your a dog at below 33%. And if you consider the pot odds...your probably not an EV dog until your under 30%
Getting 2:1 on your money...in your example...its awful to fold.
Why do people insist on using anecdotal stories to make points? One time I had my quad tens run over by quad kings...does that mean I shouldnt be happy getting it in with quads when there is a paired broadway card on the board?
And its a bad example to prove your point because from a expected value standpoint, its a bad fold because getting more then 2:1 on your money and your probably only about a 1.8 to 1 dog against a pair and an Ax hand.
I was giving the anecdotal to better clarify my point... personally, in a tournament structure, I like my fold there, as I was further behind any pair (the "AQ" guy ended up with A10, and had less $), so he was fairly immaterial.
Mark
I read your point to be "You should fold AK against a pair and an Ax hand because you are missing an out" Which is just bad advice...especially if you consider the fact that you are move of a favorite in this situation then you are heads up against an underpair.
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OP, whatever the consensus is here...I vote for the opposite. LMK what that is and I'll think up a sound argument for it.
BTW, welcome to the forum.