guarding against aces?
Today I've suffered more bad beats than I have in a long time, I lost 5 hands to pocket aces holding kk, 99, ak,kj and 66 turned into a set. Any tips on how not to loose your whole stack in this situation when you think you're holding the best hand?
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No...
I swear to baby jesus this is my biggest pet peeve in life
As for the OP, if you think you're ahead, why WOULDN'T you want to get your chips in the middle?!?
As for the original question it would seem that you are calling raises with hands that play poorly for a raise -- AJ, KJ, etc... and are not experienced enough to get away from top pair. Until you become more comfortable with reads/betting patterns then do not play marginal hands in raised pots.
Fixed it for you, GTA. Seriously, though, try decaf . . .
How are they bad beats when you were behind? 99, KJ, and AK (after the flop without a hit), are nothing special. The set loss, unlucky. Better reads maybe? Without hand history, it is hard to tell anything that is going wrong...
Another time that's not working for me here was when I held aq, small stac goes all in, I call, average stack goes all in behind me, for 18 BB's more, I fold and he flips over 69 off suit, original raiser takes down pot.
KJ I could have avoided easily but raiser was a really small stack. KK was very hard to avoid, I was in an early position, kinda short stacked. I limp in knowing people almost always raise something preflop, player raises to 2,5 BB, I reraise all in and get crushed. I wasn't sure I was holding the best hand but I felt very confident I was.The bland set would have been easy to avoid but ak would have been harder. I guess I just have to work on my reads.
Edit: AK and KJ had a hit btw, and 99 didn't have any overcards
The only time you can ever justify folding AA is on a satty bubble.
Oh and btw, you've been eyeing up a 56" LCD and you can buy into a $2500 tourney. hmmmm
Wow... way to make that 30% chance pay off.. personally I'm a fan of getting my money in 70% ahead.
Mark
But in all seriousness can people stop complaining how their AA loses. Its one GOD DAMN PAIR....THERE ARE 5 COMMUNITY CARDS....IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER.
I want to know why my Quads always lose to a straight flush and how I can protect against that....
My gut feel is probably it was a pretty bad fold in this situation.
To the OP of the thread, no one cares about your type of bad beat whine, post it in the bad beat section, so at least it will be in the right area where again no one will really care about it. Fold aces preflop and you will never lose or "loose" with them, hence no bad beats.
Hobbes...As for the t.v thing..LOL..i have an older 65" regular big screen in the living room whose bulbs and picture have slowly started to deteriorate, so i figure time for an upgrade...plus with the LCD, i can hook up my laptop to it for one hell of an online poker experience. LOL
oprc has provided some more info, a bit more is needed. what were the blinds and antes? just looking at nash equilibrium, calling is marginal at low blinds but gets progressively worse as these climb.
basically, you gave up a 40+% shot at an extra 20k for a 90+% shot at an extra 10k. we can argue the % but it is somewhere it that ballpark. not a terrible fold - other factors would weight the decision one way or the other.
PokerJah is that you?
I don't think I would of made that decision, even with the chip counts you gave in a later post. At that point being short-stacked, and holding AA, that's exactly the situation I'd be hoping for. I would of had a progressivly harder decision the more people who are all in, and if it was a bubble situation, still think I'd be getting felt burn on my hands from pushing the chips in.
I based my statement on the information provided. Still don't think a fold was good here. I think he thought the fold was good cause he saw the results.
I'll take my chances for the extra 15k in prize money
the bolded part makes this very misleading. You cannot say that your are 60k vs 140k when the 140k is split between 2 players. Hell you could have had 60k to their 70k each.
hmmmm.....
ummm 500/1000/100 w 20k....not exactly short there are ya.
again you did not specify what the other 2 stacks were.
Now with KK it's a fold.
Assuming one of the players is eliminated....
If you win, you have 60k against 140k only behind 2.5:1 and that's not a bad place to be HU (with an M of 35)
I'm all in.....
It's an excellent training tool and can be used to validate your play AFTER is happens.
All I did was run some scenerios to see if there would be a time to fold AA here.
with all the info now present, pushing here was the correct move. not in a 'man, you should give up poker you are so bad' kind of way but it would have been moderately +$ev. of course, in this case, folding paid off. nice laydown. i'm curious what the other guy was thinking of, getting all in with AQs for something close to 90xbb. he is the guy who should be giving up poker. make sure he gets a very nice christmas card from you this year. maybe a pound cake, too.
I suspect your play even if it was a slight error paled compared to the error someone else had to have made in the hand to allow you to make the play you did. Hope you could follow that
I have seen some people do strange mistakes with good hands they should have folded, more in Omaha (where AAxx hands are great but now as overpowering).
Saw a person with 30 chips on the button in a DoN (no antes in Omaha) put his 30 chips all in with his AAQQ. This was after 4 limps because the BB was also all in already having started with 300ish chips. Well, the AAQQ was certainly the nicest hand preflop, but not post flop, so both he and the BB got eliminated and the BB pulled off one of the happiest 5ths ever probably.
Had AAQQ boy won the hand outright the only time it would have mattered is if the BB guy finished second in the hand and was still alive, and in that scenario he no longer has a bad stack so everyone can wait till AAQQ boys BB at the longest since he would only have 180 chips then.
Your situation was hardly as extreme, but I cannot really find too much fault with your AA fold, and for what it is worth that was a much more interesting hand to discuss then any of the OPs ramblehands...