Moose Did you Multi-account?
Seems like your 1st place finish on OnGame has raised some redflags
Multi-accounting allowed at Ongame?? - Two Plus Two Poker Forum
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That's fking retarded.
The thing is I can uinderstand their points. Even though it was completely accidental, the fact that it is possible to do this is what created the situation in the first place. It was my fault and I should have been more careful, but Pokerroom made it possible for it to occur.
I really wish I had just sat out of one of the tourneys but I didn't know what to do other than not play at the same table, which never occured.
If you sat out on one account for the duration of the tournament regardless of how the other account did then you would have a very legitimate explanation that you made an error but compensated to have zero advantage (in fact it would be a slight disadvantage to you). This would also assume that you did not make this mistake a lot of times in the past (which would be easy for them to check).
If you did play both, well then it is a substantial risk that you will have your winnings taken if you go very deep.
This type of thing happened a lot on the Crypto skins, I still remember a person boasting at the table that he finished 1st and 7th in the same tournament once (was a series of fairly decent valued tournaments for Interpoker at the time).
I have not read the twoplustwo forum post, but most there got for the simplistic picket line scream style approach to "debate" much like tellbox here when often times the issue is a bit more complex.
Edit: After clicking the link I see you finished 1st and 10th with user names that are obviously the same person. Umm, yeesh not quite sure what you were thinking there.
Also, they used to detect this but recently removed it? I fail to see how you are at fault here moose. Unfortunately, since this is online poker we're talking about, you are at the mercy of the operator and will likely have no recourse to whatever decision they make. I hope you removed all your cash from ongame.
I'm not going to come out and claim innocence. As soon as I realized my mistake it was too late and the tourney was already running. I really didn't know what to do at that point. But I knew it was wrong.
You knew that it was sketchy and you played on regardless. You should have sat out one account, contacted support and got refunded the buy-in.
For you to play on and blame the software is just plain sketchy. For you to expect nothing to come of it is naive.
cdnmoose = JJProdigy
I also hope you've taken all your money off ongame.
Eh, I think it is similar yet different. I believe that it was a mistake to register for the tournament multiple times (though if it came out that you had done this many times in the past that would no longer be the assumption).
The ethical lapse came when you chose to play the tournament with both accounts, which you acknowledge. Not a lot of wiggle room there in terms of what could you do, you are not a brand new player so with all due respect you probably knew what your options were at the time.
The JJProdigy comparison is off because that was a case of intentionally doing what was in theory done by accident a single time here once. Both are cheating, but the intent behind the actions should be a consideration.
And indeed the player is at fault even if the software "allows" something like this to happen. Some common sense needs to be the guide in this area as well.
It was dumb. I'm not denying it. I'm not complaining about it.
He isn't trying to justify it..shyte happens.
Hope the money is moved.
QFT
You guys are fags.
Obv comparing Moose to JJProdigy is tongue in cheek. I believe him when he says that he didn't set out to do this on purpose. Still, he handled it poorly and obviously realizes the fact.
Also he has proven to be extremely opinionated in his treatment of other people in the past so I find it funny that he publicly just took a giant shit in his own pants.
lol..yeah, I remember someone saying that..but I took it as being in jest, as he was openly admitting he screwed up.
And no one else here has ever screwed up..*looking for rolling eyes emote* Just like they have never played ace rag or made a poor call and sucked out on the river..
Moose just got famous for his screwup...lol
I guess the real question is, what would you have done if moose 1 and moose 2 made the final table? you must have realized that you were going to get busted at the start of the tournament?
What I would have done is contacted live support, and explained my fuck up and hope they would return my $50 and allowed me to continue playing the one userid. Not sure what they do once the tournament has started and a player is disqualified from the tournament? If they just let the player bleed chips or they just remove the player from the tournament (other players may assume he was moved to another table).
Ongame Network allows players to register accounts with multiple Network Operators, but has the policy that an individual may only register for any single tournament from one of these accounts.
Any player who plays in a tournament from multiple player accounts will be in violation of this policy and suffer the following consequences:
1. They will be disqualified from a tournament in-progress if the violation is detected in real-time.
2. All money in all their player accounts with Ongame Network operators will be confiscated, and the accounts closed.
3. They will be permanently banned from playing on Ongame Network.
definitely sounds like you are fucked. I guess you will have to change your screen name to CdnBeaver69 now.
Think about that, and the fact that you are on the internet and have no idea who is sitting behind what screen/nick.
Well, it seems kind of bizarre in concept, but realistically it is the best they can do on these networks that have so many skins that allow players to play on as many as they like.
I bitched for months to Crypto for this, as I watched myself not win one of Interpoker's vacation packages 6 months ago when the leaderboard was filled with multiple accounts including ones that make Moose's names seem subtle (best was Stupid1 Stupid2 Stupid3 - no joke). I finished 16th when top 10 got packages.
This was not even multiple skins, it was a single skin and it allowed multiple entries.
They did finally make it clear in their rules that this would not be tolerated, though it took my efforts to continue to report those who did it before I noticed the problem became less of an issue.
The smaller rooms with multiple skins (granted ipoker is getting up there in size, but each skin is basically a small room) will have these software issues which can be frustrating, but generally the rewards (rake back , bonuses) tend to offset it.
Ongame's punishement for this is fairly harsh if the context of the situation is ignored. If he had sat out one account and reported it and they close his accounts still, then that discourages people from doing the right thing when they make an honest mistake.
If you haven't done so already you should withdraw that money. I am pretty sure they will use you as an example when they update their rules.
Realistically, it's a rule that is impossible to enforce which makes it a bad rule.
If you can't guarentee that it's one single physical player to one single virtual seat at the table, then any rule that attemps to enforce it is pointless.
Collary: You should anticipate that everyone sitting around the table against you in any online poker event are colluding.
Collary: You should never be playing online for amounts of money that are significant to you.
LOL What a Buzzkill you are. Ima cash out all my monies after reading that post
Rules that can't be enforced 100% are bad rules?? There are very few rules or laws that can honestly be enforced 100% so what is the answer? Anarchy? Apathy? PPFFFFTTTT.
and what the hell is Collary? I looked it up here
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