You Be The Floor....
$5-$10 No Limit Cash Game
HUGE POT!! The preceding action has the pot at approx. $3,500 with one player all in. Two other live players remain. The board looks like this:
Q-J-10-x-y rainbow
Chair #1 moves all in for $1,200. Chair #6 is already all in. Chair #8 insta-calls. No more action. 3 players total.
Chair #1 calmly and quietly turns over A-K for The Nuts, his cards are both face up, on the felt and still in his possession.
Chair #8 stands up and throws his cards to the table, apparently attempting to table his A-K for the chop. HOWEVER, only the Ace lands face up on the felt. The other card, which may or may not have been a King, lands face down near the center of the table. The player expects the dealer to turn over the face-down card. The dealer does NOT. The player then reaches to turn over the card himself. The dealer blocks the player's outstretched arm and informs him that he will have a floor supervisor rule whether the card is live or not. The player begins to loudly protest, saying that he has A-K as well and the hand should be a chop.
You are called over, given the above information, and now must rule on the $5,000+ pot.
What is your ruling and why?
(I know, I know. I love posting these things. I promise not to post anything other than MY RULING this time tomorrow night.)
HUGE POT!! The preceding action has the pot at approx. $3,500 with one player all in. Two other live players remain. The board looks like this:
Q-J-10-x-y rainbow
Chair #1 moves all in for $1,200. Chair #6 is already all in. Chair #8 insta-calls. No more action. 3 players total.
Chair #1 calmly and quietly turns over A-K for The Nuts, his cards are both face up, on the felt and still in his possession.
Chair #8 stands up and throws his cards to the table, apparently attempting to table his A-K for the chop. HOWEVER, only the Ace lands face up on the felt. The other card, which may or may not have been a King, lands face down near the center of the table. The player expects the dealer to turn over the face-down card. The dealer does NOT. The player then reaches to turn over the card himself. The dealer blocks the player's outstretched arm and informs him that he will have a floor supervisor rule whether the card is live or not. The player begins to loudly protest, saying that he has A-K as well and the hand should be a chop.
You are called over, given the above information, and now must rule on the $5,000+ pot.
What is your ruling and why?
(I know, I know. I love posting these things. I promise not to post anything other than MY RULING this time tomorrow night.)
Comments
I think he means chair #2 was already all in. #8 was the only one with action on him (not out of turn) and therefore action was closed. At least that's the way I read it...
My ruling (if it's described properly here) would be #2's hand live since it didn't hit the muck and was easily identifiable. (See rule 54 of WSOP 2008 rules.)
http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf
As for the rest, I stand by my ruling in the interest of fairness... I do realize that Niagara has some rather unique rulings.....
Only 3 players in the hand (Chairs #1, #6 and #8 ).
No Chair #2.
EDIT... I think its fixed now.
P.S. Is it just me or does the no standing during a hand rule seem a bit ridiculous?
Edit: I'd just like to add that if I Chair #8 and you killed my hand, I'd start stabbing people and wouldn't stop till I fried in the electric chair.
Note to self... don't play poker against BBC Z at fallsview.
I don't know the rules and regulations in Ontario casinos though.
... Or anywhere else for that matter
2. Forward, face down and released is mucked. The face down card was never properly tabled.
3. To win a pot, a player must show all/both cards face up on the table OR be the only remaining player with live cards.
4. A dealer should NEVER table a player's card(s) for them; the dealer has access to all of the cards and could switch the cards. Only one player to hand means only that player may turn over cards, not a dealer and not another player.
5. I did not expect BBC_Z to agree with me; BBC_Z has a long history on this forum about disagreeing about mucked cards.
6. This is not a tournament, STR82ACE; called all-ins do not require cards being faced.
7. The dealer did absolutely NOTHING WRONG in this hand; the fault lies entirely with the player.
8. The easiest thing to do in poker is turn over your cards at showdown.
First thread posted from a hospital bed.... I assume that's where Chair #8 put you after making that call.
I echo moose's you'll never see me in Fallsview.
/g2
Hands are live until it hits the muck OR the dealer touches it. If buddy didnt table his hand properly and one card was face down, he had better hurry up and flip it over BEFORE the dealer could get it.
WHICH in fact he tried to do. The dealer shouldnt have stopped him. I mean if he just sat there and didnt bother trying to flip it over, then sure, the dealer can muck and it, too bad so sad for him.
Not too sure how many places have that 'forward motion' means fold. Majority of places have what I stated above to be what is considered a dead hand.
You in the hospital? Hope it's nothing serious.