New MTSNG's at Brantford

From my blogaroony.... if I have any details wrong, or if anyone has more info, please let me know.

I asked about the Brantford Spring Classic. I won 14K in that event at this time last year, but was told it's "on hold" for this year. I was told, however, about a new multi-table sit and go series they're going to start running in April. I think it's every Thursday (don't quote me), with 5 or 6 tables max, and a $100 or so buy-in. The last one of every month will have a higher buy-in of about $300 or so.
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  • Neeto. Where are these? Brantford? :P - Congrats on winning $14k.
  • Yup, Brantford. Good ole Brantford.

    Thanks for the congrats, though the 14K score was incidental lol
  • Wonder what the structure will be like?

    Hopefully not an all in fest by the 3rd level.
  • Noooo... the beginning of the end of LHE in Ontario
  • i'm definitely interested in these MTT SNGs in brantford. please post more info when you hear more.
  • Me too! I am very interested.
  • BBC Z wrote: »
    Noooo... the beginning of the end of LHE in Ontario

    I really really really hope you're wrong but that is a scary thought. They still aren't licensed for NLHE cash games, though, and their room is generally busy so I don't imagine they're in any particular rush to get it. But that's total speculation on my part.
  • I don't know why they don't put a nice big red flashing link on thier home page to a list of all thier tournaments. If they don't do at least that they will fail. They have to get the message out beyond the regulars and poker forum lurkers to people like me with cash in hand looking for a game. Seriously... there's a huge market they aren't reaching that are looking for a good legal game. Many people are looking for the next stepping stone past home games and the $50 bar tournaments.

    How long would it take to make a link off thier home page to an up to date list?

    There's a real business opportunity here for someone to step in and get things organized for these casinos. I will only charge you 5% of yearly revenues for the tip ;).
  • I don't know why they don't put a nice big red flashing link on thier home page to a list of all thier tournaments. If they don't do at least that they will fail. They have to get the message out beyond the regulars and poker forum lurkers to people like me with cash in hand looking for a game. Seriously... there's a huge market they aren't reaching that are looking for a good legal game. Many people are looking for the next stepping stone past home games and the $50 bar tournaments.

    How long would it take to make a link off thier home page to an up to date list?

    There's a real business opportunity here for someone to step in and get things organized for these casinos. I will only charge you 5% of yearly revenues for the tip ;).

    i could not agree more.
  • So any more news on the sit'n'go's. Have the scheduled anything or must we check their website to see if they have posted anything.
  • What website?? As far as I know, Casino Brantford and other OLG casinos do not have their own websites, so Ontario poker players will continue to remain clueless about any upcoming tournaments. :rolleyes: Underground clubs have better marketing and publicity than OLG casinos!

    If Casino Brantford's objective is to make the same $100+/hour/table as the other table games, then the $100 MTT will have to be high-rake turbos with very little poker play.
    must we check their website to see if they have posted anything.
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    What website?? As far as I know, Casino Brantford and other OLG casinos do not have their own websites, so Ontario poker players will continue to remain clueless about any upcoming tournaments. :rolleyes: Underground clubs have better marketing and publicity than OLG casinos!

    If Casino Brantford's objective is to make the same $100+/hour/table as the other table games, then the $100 MTT will have to be high-rake turbos with very little poker play.

    Anyone know about the rumour that the CPT got bought out and maybe there's still hope for proper advertising in the Canadian Casino tournament industry?
  • So.. I guess it's up to me and my weekly trip up the road to the casino to keep asking about these tourneys... I knew my degeneration into a true gambler would have a purpose ;)

    What questions do you want answered? I'll find out what I can, post in another thread (maybe get it stickied) and ask unanswered and new questions as I visit weekly...
  • i have a question Zunni...what intervals will the blinds be...hopefully half hour and not 15 minute turbos
  • i have a question Zunni...what intervals will the blinds be...hopefully half hour and not 15 minute turbos

    I think you'll be lucky if they are not less than 15 minutes
  • i have a question Zunni...what intervals will the blinds be...hopefully half hour and not 15 minute turbos

    K, I've made a note, I'll be there tonight or tomorrow. I'll try to corner one of the supe's that I know and see what additional info I can drag out of them :)
  • OK talking to a couple of dealers, word is getting out about the tourneys to the dealers. They are likely looking at a Thursday morning tourney. Buy-in is expected (from my info) to be $100 with NO rebuys. I've also been told that these tourneys have been pushed back to May, and the blind schedule and structure will be made available. I mentioned if they can bend an ear that they would be 1000% more effective if they could put the details on their websites to help people learn about the tourneys.

    I asked if the structure/schedule has been finalized. They said it has not, and if it has they haven't been told what it is.
  • Here in Vancouver, more than one of the Casino's host daily multi table sit and goes.

    They are insane.

    2000tc to start, 15 minute levels, doubling at the end of each. With the exception of that generous time where they move from 400-800 to 600 - 1200.

    I'll never play in another one to be honest.
  • Theres no reason why it can't be profitable. Most players don't understand push/fold poker and you can steal them blind.
  • BBC Z wrote: »
    Theres no reason why it can't be profitable. Most players don't understand push/fold poker and you can steal them blind.

    Agree with this completely... just because it is a fast structure doesnt mean it cant be highly profitable. sure it will be higher variance but if you understand push/fold poker you will probably have a higher hourly rate in a faster structured tourney
  • _obv_ wrote: »
    Agree with this completely... just because it is a fast structure doesnt mean it cant be highly profitable. sure it will be higher variance but if you understand push/fold poker you will probably have a higher hourly rate in a faster structured tourney


    I think it will depend on many things including field size and starting stacks.

    I'm just using the example of River Rock Casino in richmond. 110 players, starting stacks of 2000tc(which is actually a new increase, they were 1500tc) vs. rapidly escalating blinds. Basically when you get to the final table the blinds are 1500-3000 or even 2000-4000. With only 220 000 chips in play that means there are 55 big blinds in play total at 4000 or 73 big blinds at 3000.

    The upside is that for the low buy in $30, the pay outs heavily favour the winner, getting 40%. The 10th place person I think gets 45 bucks or something. !st place is good for over a grand.

    Maybe I don't understand push fold poker either, but you need to get enormously lucky...repeatedly to do well in them.
  • yeah but you need ot get enormously lucky to win a MTT anyway, so atleast in a turbo you can get on with your life :)
  • MTTs with a decent structure usually have higher buy-ins than the waste-of-time crapshoots, so players with above-average skills will have higher winnings and hourly win rates in decent tournaments compared to crapshoots where unskilled players who got lucky will have a bigger percentage of the smaller prize pool. Looking at my own statistics, I have made a profit at Skill Level 0-3 crapshoots, but for Skill Level 5-6 tournaments, my hourly win rate is 38 times higher and my ROI is 10 times higher!

    So while I have highly recommended Casino Brantford's Skill Level 6 tournaments and MTT satellites as the best among Ontario casinos, I am afraid that I will never step foot at Brantford again if the upcoming multi-table SNGs are as crappy as the SNGs found in other casinos and bad clubs.
    _obv_ wrote: »
    just because it is a fast structure doesnt mean it cant be highly profitable. sure it will be higher variance but if you understand push/fold poker you will probably have a higher hourly rate in a faster structured tourney
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    MTTs with a decent structure usually have higher buy-ins than the waste-of-time crapshoots, so players with above-average skills will have higher winnings and hourly win rates in decent tournaments compared to crapshoots where unskilled players who got lucky will have a bigger percentage of the smaller prize pool. Looking at my own statistics, I have made a profit at Skill Level 0-3 crapshoots, but for Skill Level 5-6 tournaments, my hourly win rate is 38 times higher and my ROI is 10 times higher!

    How big is the sample size though?

    I definitely agree with BBC/obv on this one. While it is crapshoot poker, doesn't mean you can't be profitable. No doubt it will be a high variance due to the the style of play of a turbo tournament, but if played correctly there is money to be made. At least you won't need to play for 6-7 hours to bubble :D
  • westside8 wrote: »
    While it is crapshoot poker, doesn't mean you can't be profitable.
    Of course there will be a few winners who will profit from the majority of losers, no matter what the structure of the raked poker game is. However, unskilled donkeys will take a bigger percentage of the prize pool of $100 Skill Level 0 MTTs than $1,000 Skill Level 6 MTTs. If you are a skilled player, most of your advantage over the donkeys is nullified in all-in bingo-fests.
  • I agree with blondefish - allin bingo fests are just that. Proper "push-fold" strategy utilizes less skill and is much easier to play.
    A lot of my edge comes from post flop play - and if you take that away from me, I don't have as big an edge against the donkeys.

    Remeber that AK is not as big a mathamatical favorite over 7,8s as you might think. You're never really in that bad a spot in holdem pre-flop except when dominated or pair over pair. If the donkey has 2 live cards - they're looking good to KO you.
  • _obv_ wrote: »
    Agree with this completely... just because it is a fast structure doesnt mean it cant be highly profitable. sure it will be higher variance but if you understand push/fold poker you will probably have a higher hourly rate in a faster structured tourney

    100% true when there are games running every few minutes, not so true if these are scheduled and you are waiting between games.
  • Im not trying to say that you have a bigger edge in turbo tourneys... clearly if you are a good player your edge will be bigger if the structure is better. Im just saying there is still money to be made in turbos since most people are terrible at push/fold poker and it is easy to pick up the blinds and antes uncontested since people will incorrectly fold hands that they should be calling your shoves with and fold hands they should be open shoving with. If there are 2 tourneys with the same buyin and same number of entrants a good player could probably have a higher hourly rate in the one with a faster structure. Why do you think most sng grinders online play the turbos?

    In a better structured tourney it will still come down to push/fold poker but it will take longer to get to that point.
  • I guess they hit a snag with this and they won't be starting in April. They do have plans to get them going on a regular basis but I wouldn't expect it to happen anytime soon.

    They have a UPC scheduled for November and satelites will start in June.

    Though, this is Brantford and who really knows until you see some kind of advertisement in the casino about it.
  • What?!? Only one Ultimate Poker Challenge / Classic event this year and not until November?? :'( They had three events by October last year!
    CamW wrote: »
    They have a UPC scheduled for November
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