Decent March Tournaments

See http://www.senecapoker.com/tournaments/details.php?tourneyid=10004 for the next decent casino tournaments within reasonable driving distance from the GTA. I am heading for the casino soon, so I'll post my analysis later.
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  • do i hear that famous blondefish saying??????

    SKILL LEVEL 6 TOURNAMENTS:)
  • March 16 looks like the best bang for your buck.
  • Seems to be a lot of chips for the March 16 tournament. I'm guessing the blinds go up higher every round to account for this.
  • So the Sunday $200 tournament is a stand alone? It's not part of the Heads Up tournament?

    You know what... I think I will try my hand at this. This will be my first legal tournament so how does one go about registering?
  • How about the Sarnia tourneys last week of March?
  • Yes, the March 30 tournament is a separate tournament. It is not as good a value as March 16 7,500-chip tournament or the March 27 $400+$10 WSOP Super Satellite, which I will be playing. To register, phone Seneca Casino to see if you don't have to go there in person with government-issued ID.
    So the Sunday $200 tournament is a stand alone? It's not part of the Heads Up tournament?
    You know what... I think I will try my hand at this. This will be my first legal tournament so how does one go about registering?
  • Sorry I meant the Sunday the 16th tournament. How many people will there roughly be do you think?
  • Since up to 64 heads-up players may show up for the noon party, I am guessing the 2 PM tournament may have 80-120 players. Unfortunately for me, I'll probably be dealing at a casino that day and won't be able to make it.

    The rake/fee for the March 16 and 29 U$200+$25 tournaments is 14.7% (including 4% staff gratuities). The heads-up tournament is not a good value since you only get 2000 chips and it is single elimination. I am going to a freeroll heads-up tournament this weekend that has more chips, is double-elimination and I save U$225! PM me if anybody is interested.
    Sorry I meant the Sunday the 16th tournament. How many people will there roughly be do you think?
  • I called and asked... it seems you have to register in person.

    I guess I will call Sunday morning and see if there are any spots open still before making the trip.
  • Hey Buddy
    Does Seneca still take 30% off any winnings from Canadians? Between that and the 15% rake/fee, how can this not be -EV for anybody? Have you ever asked them why they don't do what many US casinos do and pay out wins <$5000 in chips?
  • Mathers wrote: »
    Hey Buddy
    Does Seneca still take 30% off any winnings from Canadians? Between that and the 15% rake/fee, how can this not be -EV for anybody? Have you ever asked them why they don't do what many US casinos do and pay out wins <$5000 in chips?

    This is the exact reason I've played as little as possible in the US. They say you can claim it back, but between the headache of going after them for it and the fees you'll pay to companies for getting it back for you, it's just not worth it anymore. Play in Canada or if you crave bigger action there's the EPT, APPT, Aussie Millions, and WPT Niagara etc...
  • SMOOTH55 wrote: »
    This is the exact reason I've played as little as possible in the US. They say you can claim it back, but between the headache of going after them for it and the fees you'll pay to companies for getting it back for you, it's just not worth it anymore. Play in Canada or if you crave bigger action there's the EPT, APPT, Aussie Millions, and WPT Niagara etc...

    Easy to say but when was the last time there was a decent casino run tournament in with in the Greater Toronto Area that is between the $50 - $300 buy-in ranges?
  • BigChrisEl wrote: »
    Easy to say but when was the last time there was a decent casino run tournament in with in the Greater Toronto Area that is between the $50 - $300 buy-in ranges?

    If you're looking for low buy in tournaments then your best bet is online. For B&M tournaments, there's the Sarnia series later this month, Rama has monthly tournaments and so does Port Perry (although their structure sucks hard - I would only bother playing in their $1k or $2k freezeout tournaments which run twice a year).

    The GTA is not vegas, LA or even vancouver - where their are low buyin tournaments almost daily.

    The bottom line is with the 30% withholding tax - even if you claim it back you'd be lucky to get half of that. In that case, the tournaments are just not beatable long term.
  • Plus hard to find tournies that run on weekends either. Bottom line is that WTF is ON so tight about everything. We live in a pansy province.
  • actyper wrote: »
    Plus hard to find tournies that run on weekends either. Bottom line is that WTF is ON so tight about everything. We live in a pansy province.

    It would be nice for some of the casino have some events like that have in states. Nothing too crazy but something good.

    Even the WPT here is lame. Most casinos that run a WPT event have several other events leading up the main event, but here it is just the 10K event and nothing else.

    http://www.foxwoods.com/OurWonders/Gaming/Poker/FPC/FPC.aspx

    http://www.grandsierraresort.com/images/casino/table_games/poker/2008_gsr_wpc.pdf

    So sad :(
  • I gues GTA/Toronto just doesn't have the market to sustain daily tournaments. Do you guys think if fallsview or rama had daily tournaments they could sell out or at least close to sell out all the time????

    We also need to remember that tournaments are like a loss leader for the casinos. They make very little with a poker room already compared to slots and other tables games, and even less holding tournaments, so it's not in their best interest to always have them all the time.
  • Not asking for daily tournaments, just some nice series of tournies.

    GTA certainly has the market to sustain, reopen Richmond Hill talks or Harbourfront Casino and they both would be huge.
  • We had some nice series at Brantford taking place about twice a year but their last attempt was somewhat of a failure and the turn out wasn't very good.

    Niagara needs to hold something, or at least try to have a tournament week.
  • actyper wrote: »
    reopen Richmond Hill talks

    They were thinking of a casino on the hill at one point?
  • I think about 10yrs ago there were talks. Tried searching for details now but came up empty.
  • Well count me out then. That's nuts.

    If anyone knows of any decent skill level tournaments in the Canadian Falls or Brantford let me know.
  • After the CPT folded, seems like the tournament industry not only in Ontario, but Canada wide will severely lack advertising if there is going to be any decent tourneys. For example, Point Edward at the end of this month...can't find an ad anywhere on the web except maybe on someone's blog. and like BigChrisEl said earlier, it would be nice to have a series of events leading up to the main event for the WPT Fallsview..there were talks of having 3-4 events last year but only ended up with the hefty 10g entry main event.
  • THURSDAY, MARCH 27TH
    No-Limit Texas Hold ‘em Shoot-Out Tournament
    $100+$20 Buy-In = $2,500 in tournament chips
    20-minute rounds
    Top three players from each table advance to the 4 p.m. finals.

    Shoot-Out Finals
    $5,000 in tournament chips
    20-minute rounds
    Has anybody played in Seneca's Shoot-Out Tournaments? At least three of us forumers are planning to carpool to the border this Thursday morning.

    Unsurprisingly, the WSOP satellite at 7 PM sold out earlier this month, but there may be $40 sub-satellites for the next one on May 15. Note that the maximum buy-in for 2/5 NL has increased to $500 from $400, which is much better than Fallsview Casino's $100-$300 buy-ins.

    Unfortunately, the minimum for the 2/5/10 bring-in has increased to $500 from $200. I loved going against the whales with thousands of dollars in stacks and me shortstacking for $200. It doesn't make sense to me that Seneca's three higher limit games now have a MINIMUM reguirement of 100 big blinds. They have enough problems getting a second 2/5 table going unlike Fallsview's eight 2/5, five 5/10 plus 10/25 tables on weekends.
  • How do the WSOP sats work? Do you just get the cash, and if so the withholding applies. With no 3rd party registration, can't see how else they would work.
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    Has anybody played in Seneca's Shoot-Out Tournaments? At least three of us forumers are planning to carpool to the border this Thursday morning.

    I tried to play once bit got there a bit late and there were no more spots (I guess it's because they need to have new players in increments of 10) so I suggest going early. What I'm wondering is if you can play in both shoot-outs, for example if you bust out in the first one. I had been thinking of playing in both but now I realize that 10am is much too early anyway.

    By the way, everyone in the poker room got a free gym bag when the March 16 tournament started. I think they really know how to treat the players well over there compared to Ontario.
  • The link I posted states that you get a seat, airfare and 10-day accomodation so you don't just get cash. I think the WSOP's third party registration restriction is only against the online poker sites that may be considered illegal in the US.

    Second place wins U$1,000. The prize pool is supposed to be U$16K, so it seems that Seneca is valuing the first prize as $15K. If you have other questions, you can phone Seneca at 1-877-873-6322.

    Regarding withholding, my friend has applied through a refund firm for all his US winnings. He was told that they will probably get back all of the 30% withholding back minus their 25% commission, which works out to 7.5% of your original winnings. So for Canadians who manage to apply for their refund through that company, the extra "rake" for playing in US tournaments is approximately 7.5%.
    actyper wrote: »
    How do the WSOP sats work? Do you just get the cash, and if so the withholding applies. With no 3rd party registration, can't see how else they would work.
  • Inquirer wrote: »
    I tried to play once bit got there a bit late and there were no more spots (I guess it's because they need to have new players in increments of 10) so I suggest going early. What I'm wondering is if you can play in both shoot-outs, for example if you bust out in the first one. I had been thinking of playing in both but now I realize that 10am is much too early anyway.

    By the way, everyone in the poker room got a free gym bag when the March 16 tournament started. I think they really know how to treat the players well over there compared to Ontario.


    You can play in both. I was there for the last one they held and my buddy played the first then after busting out registered and played in the 2nd one as well.
  • Looks like you're right

    Third-party registrations for players are not permitted unless submitted by Official
    WSOP sponsors; Official WSOP promotional partners, or Official WSOP product
    licensees. No third-party registrations will be accepted from online gaming sites
    conducting business with U.S. residents.

    Please post your friend's experience, hoping it works out.
  • Anyone that plays in USA based tournaments should go through the steps of getting an ITIN number, its really not difficult at all and only takes a few small steps to do. Saving from having to pay 3rd party firms is worth it. If you need the info let me know.
  • What did you and your friend think about the shoot-out structure? The effective rake is at least 26%, including the 4% staff gratuities and assuming one goes through the withholding refund cost of ~7.5%. There is a highly +EV tournament that I used to play every week, but ever since I haven't been able to play in it, I have been a net loser in tournaments this year so I want to play in only good-value tournaments. I will probably skip these shoot-outs and rest up for the WSOP satellite at 7 PM.
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