GBH Single Table Tourney
I haven't been there in almost two months, so yesterday I go for the afternoon.
I found out that they are running their single table $100.00 Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays. The $200.00 tables are still only on Thursday. The lists are not very long as they now have two tables going on at one time.
As discussed in previous threads, you start out with 40 chips and the blinds start at 1/2 and double every 11 hands with a cap at 10/20. I like the structure.
1/2, 2/4, 4/8, 8/16, 10/20.
I found out that they are running their single table $100.00 Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays. The $200.00 tables are still only on Thursday. The lists are not very long as they now have two tables going on at one time.
As discussed in previous threads, you start out with 40 chips and the blinds start at 1/2 and double every 11 hands with a cap at 10/20. I like the structure.
1/2, 2/4, 4/8, 8/16, 10/20.
Comments
it seems really short stacked from the get go
That is one of the worst structure's I've ever seen. What an absolute crapshoot. With a skill level of only 1. Even ramas bingoments are a skill level of 2.
Personally, I have done very well at these. I guess my skill is just a bit better that most.:)
Last 4 I have played, 3 second places and one third. Net Profit of $900.00.
The skill level I posted isn't reflective of the players, it is more of a calculation of how long you can play before you are blinded off. Based on that time, there is a formula that detrimines how much time one has to make skill plays.
The lower the patience factor (and this tournament is less than 1) the lower the skill level one has the opportunity to use.
I'm sure you can out play the people at these tournies; but because of it's set up a very large amount of luck will come into play.
Great job on the Positive ROI for these tournaments; but I still think I'll avoid them, because if I start the tournament completely card dead, I'll have no chance to stay alive in the short amount of time that passes before being blinded off.
Anyway, congratulations to DeadMoney for overcoming the bad structure and rake so far.
It reminds me of our sunday night game where we start with 60 chips and then blinds go up every 10 hands or when someone gets eliminated. Except we don't double it just increase it. 1/2 2/4 3/6 4/8 5/10 etc.
I like the skill of the players vs the other skill..
and 40 chips
ouch
The December tourney is $2100 buy-in. I believe the starting stack will be $10K and the blinds will be similar to June's event that just passed.
Please note, I am Pokerkid1215 but I had to create a new account as I cannot get in to my other account. I am having no luck with the admins either.. I emailed them 1 month ago and still no response back.
I am the Tournament Director at the Great Blue Heron Casino and cardsrusa is the Poker Room Manager. If you do have any questions or comments please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
GBH TD
Tournament of Champions Canadian Poker Tour
December 11th & 12th 2007
Blind & Ante Structure
Round Small Blind Big Blind Ante
1 25 50 N/A
2 50 100 N/A
3 100 200 N/A
--- 20 Min Break ---
4 150 300 25
5 200 400 50
6 250 500 50
Race off 25 chips --- 20 Min Break
7 300 600 100
8 400 800 100
9 500 1,000 200
10 700 1,500 200
--- 20 Min Break ---
11 1,000 2,000 300
12 1,500 3,000 400
13 2,000 4,000 400
14 2,500 5,000 500
Race off 100 chips & 500 chips --- 20 Min Break
15 3,000 6,000 1,000
16 4,000 8,000 1,000
17 5,000 10,000 1,000
18 7,000 15,000 1,000
--- 20 Min Break ---
19 10,000 20,000 2,000
20 15,000 30,000 2,000
21 20,000 40,000 3,000
22 25,000 50,000 4,000
--- 20 Min Break ---
23 30,000 60,000 5,000
24 40,000 80,000 5,000
25 50,000 100,000 5,000
26 60,000 120,000 5,000
Buy-in: Special $2,000 + $100 FREEZE OUT
Each round shall be 20 minutes in length
Tournament Director will set the limits after level 26 and reserves the right to either reduce the blinds or increase the time of each round once the money positions are reached.
FYI, the Patience and Skill numbers (assuming 10,000 chips and above blinds & lengths) for this are Patience 8.34 and Skill of 5, where the Seneca Summer Slam numbers are Patience 50.35 and Skill of 6. That's quite a difference..
$1,000+$70 Buy-In = $10,000 in tournament chips
1-Hour Rounds
The July and December tournaments are a crapshoot. With the introduction of the ante after the 3rd level, you are taking all the play out of the game by the 9th level. It does not matter if you start with 20K in chips. Take the antes out and it will be better.
I once gave Lee a blind structure for Ceasars, they have a tournament twice a day with 100+ players and 45 min blind with antes and it is over in 7 to 8 hours. I thought it was a good structure with plenty of play.
I still don't mind playing the mothly at GBH but the TOC for 2K, not a chance with that stucture. BTW many of your players feel the same.
RM
So what's optimal strategy for this structure?
It looks like you would get to play on the preflop and flop for the first 11 hands of 1/2 blinds. After that it's all in or fold preflop?
How are the players? Do you have any fold equity?
How much commission/rake does the casino take?
11 players to a table
1 players fee is held back from prize pool.
EG- 11 x $100 = $1000 winner take all
We did change the structure for December, but it was not changed till recently. We have also changed the prize board so it is not so top heavy.
Round S B B B Ante
1 25 /50 N/A
2 50 /100 N/A
10 Min Break
3 100 /200 /25
4 200 /400 /25
30 Min Break
5 300 /600 /50
6 400 /800 /50
Race off 25 chips 30 Min Break
7 500 /1000 /100
8 1000 /2000 /200
9 1500 /3000 /200
30 min Break
10 2000 /4000 /300
11 3000 /6000 /300
12 4000 /8000 /400
10 Min Break
13 5000 /10000 /400
14 8000 /16000 /500
15 10000 /20000 /500
10 Min Break
16 15000 /30000 /1000
Blinds will increase every thirty minutes.
Prize Breakdown
Places % Prizes*
1 26 $114,400.00
2 12 $52,800.00
3 10 $44,000.00
4 9 $39,600.00
5 8 $35,200.00
6 6 $26,400.00
7 5 $22,000.00
8 4 $17,600.00
9 3 $13,200.00
10 2 $8,800.00
11 2 $8,800.00
12 2 $8,800.00
13 2 $8,800.00
14 2 $8,800.00
15 2 $8,800.00
16 1 $4,400.00
17 1 $4,400.00
18 1 $4,400.00
19 1 $4,400.00
20 1 $4,400.00
Total % 100 $440,000.00
*Prize Board Based on 220 Participants
Hope this clears things up.
For inquiring members, below is my analysis of the December tournament.
Patience Factor = 12.1
Skill Level = 6
Rake = 4.8%.
I hate the 385% jump in the CPR from Level 2 to 3, but the Patience Factor is almost as good as Casino Brantford's 14.2 for the same $2,100 cost. This tournament is worth playing for those who have the bankroll. I cannot recommend the $300 casino satellites with Skill Level 1, but I would be willing to help organize or participate in any rake-free home game satellites.
Not to say you are wrong but I do believe that Math Boys Patience Factor Calculator is written for large tournaments not small eleven player satellite tournaments. But even reading the definition of a Skill level 1 it states that "Skill Level 1 poker tournaments are best with small fields—under 60 players", which is what our satellites are.
What I have noticed is that people are looking at 60 chips as not being enough of a starting stack. No one has stopped to think that if you are playing against 110 players and we give you $2000 in chips and each chip is worth $25, you are only getting 80 chips. So if you looked at each chip in our satellites as $25 you would be starting with $1500 in chips. In our satellite the blinds start at 1/2 which is the same as saying 25/50 in a large tournament, since each chip value is equal to 1 instead of 25.
The other factor is that most people do not realize with eleven hands, the blind increases takes on average between 10 and 20 minutes to play out. This is why our Mini Tournaments take roughly one and a half hours to complete.
I do value your input on things, as you give me food for thought on how to improve our tournaments. Thanks.:)
Do people realize that 11 handed holdem is horrid?
9 handed is more of a skill game than 10 or 11 handed....
According to Daniel Negreanu:
The reason 9 handed is a better game than 10 is that it's a more skillful form of poker. Let me give you an extreme example:
If you were playing a five handed game you'd be faced with lots of difficult decisions and be forced to be a player versus a watcher.
Now suppose you were at a 20 handed table! So you pick up 99 in first position and have.... 19 people to act behind you! LOL. Would you play the hand?
As anybody who has worked in a casino or club knows, many people just want to gamble their money away; they don't care about rake, their chances of winning or how many poker hands they get to play before becoming a short stack. Many degenerate gamblers actually prefer a quick crapshoot over a tournament with a high Skill Level that takes several hours. It is the educated players such as the ones in this forum that would rather spend their limited bankroll in an SNG or tournament with more poker play and more chances to use skill instead of just hoping to get lucky, i.e., they want more bang for their gambling buck.
OLG Casino Brantford has the best-value structures for MTT satellites and tournaments of any Ontario casino, so I would go to all of their tournaments and have recommended it to all my poker friends. I do want to find out from you about the format and blind structure for GBH's $240 rebuy tournaments to see if I should carpool there every month.
See the other GBH post.....November tournament blind stucture, he has posted a zip file, look at page two.