Great quiz aces the one question that my initial answer differed from everyones was #9
You have red pocket jacks in late position. 2 callers to you and you raise. The big blind calls, as do the two original callers. 4 of you see the flop of KsTdQs. The big blind bets, and everybody calls, including you. The turn is the As. The big blind checks, the next player bets, the next player raises, and now it’s up to you. Should you call, re-raise, or fold?
my feeling here is that with so many high cards out you are more likely up against two pair than the flush , especially when As , Ks , & Qs are on the board and not in someones hand , you may be drawing dead , but you can't be scared of the nuts on every hand , I'm flingin' in more chips.
Tough, but a must fold.Unless you suspect your opponent is crafty enough to bluff at a board he should find as frightening as you,you probably should fold.I say should because the context of the situation rules judgement.I.E. Is he a bluffer?Or is he a solid palyer?Who does he think you think he is?ETC
Let’s say it’s a $2/$4 game, and you are in MP with AhKc. The player to your immediate right just called pre-flop, and you raised. The button re-raised, and both you and the player to your right called. The flop came Ad Qd 4d. The player to your right checked, you bet to make anyone with a diamond pay for their draw, and both players called. The turn comes the 9d. The player to your right checks, you check, and the button bets. The player to your right now raises, making it $8 to you. What should you do?
I fold. The check call on the flop LOOKS like a diamond draw and the ceck raise on the turn seem to confirm it. Also, the button could have a diamond. Fold.
QUESTION TWO.
You are in the BB with pocket eights. An early position player raises, and 3 players call. You call as well, because there are a number of people in the pot, and your big blind is already in, making it only $2 more to you. Five of you see a flop of: Ac 6d 8h. You act first, because the small blind folded preflop. What should you do: check or bet?
Bet. You can go for the c/r but this is a 2-4 game. There is a VERY good chance that your bet will be raised and you will get to three bet it. Woohoo. Generally, bet with the best hand. C/r not a bad play, but not my preference.
QUESTION THREE.
It is folded to you preflop, and you have KdQc. You are in late position, to the immediate right of the button. What should you do?
Raise. I think I have the best hand. Make them pay.
QUESTION FOUR.
You have pocket queens in middle position. Pre-flop, an early position player raises, and it is then folded to you. Should you re-raise, call, or fold?
Re-raise. It will help to define you hand and will help to drive out some hands that in a 2-4 game might call a single raise that could out flop you.
QUESTION FIVE.
You have KcJc in LP. Three players just call before you, and you just call as well. The small blind calls, and the big blind checks, so six of you see this flop: Ac9c6h. The first player checks, and the second player bets. The third player calls. What should you do?
Call. Your biggest equity in this pot comes from money going in. Lots of players in a 2-4 game will call a single raise with all kinds of crud. You do not want them out, you want them in, in case you make your flush.
QUESTION SIX.
You have black kings in MP. One EP player calls pre-flop, you raise, and only the BB and the EP player call your raise. 3 of you see the flop: Ac9h7h. EP checks, you bet, the BB folds, and EP calls. The turn is the Qs. EP checks, and you bet again, to charge him for his flush draw if that’s what he has. He calls. The river is the 3c. EP checks. Should you check or bet?
Check. It is likely that he has a busted flush draw (in which case he can't call) or a weak ace (in which case you are beat). In a 2-4 game is it also possible that he has any pair and will pay you off so I don't hate betting, but I think it is a neutral or slightly negative EV play.
QUESTION SEVEN.
You have 7s8s in the small blind. A couple of players call, a late position player raises, and you call, along with the other players. 5 of you see the flop: 2d 8h 6s. You are first to act, and you bet because you have top pair. One player calls, one folds, one raises, and then the late position player (who initially raised pre-flop) re-raises. Do you call, cap it, or fold?
Fold. YOu are beat and drawing to 5 outs or WORSE. Probably shouldn't bet out here in the first place. Go for the c/r and try and force out the overcards.
QUESTION EIGHT.
You have AsQs in early position, and you raise pre-flop. One middle position player calls, as does one late postion player. Both blinds fold. Three of you see the flop: Ts4cJh. You check, the middle position player bets, and the late position player calls. Call, raise, or fold?
Call. You are probably beat, but have enough implied odds to take off the turn.
QUESTION NINE.
You have red pocket jacks in late position. 2 callers to you and you raise. The big blind calls, as do the two original callers. 4 of you see the flop of KsTdQs. The big blind bets, and everybody calls, including you. The turn is the As. The big blind checks, the next player bets, the next player raises, and now it’s up to you. Should you call, re-raise, or fold?
Fold. The bet AND raise have come from new bettors. Someone made a flush.
QUESTION TEN.
You have AhJh in MP. First player raises, one player calls, you call, and the button calls. 4 of you to the flop: 3hKh9h. The first player bets, and the second player raises. Do you call or re-raise?
I call and go for the raise on the turn. I re-re-raise is not bad though.
QUESTION ELEVEN.
You have TcJc on the button. Five players call preflop, and you just call as well. The small blind completes his bet, and the big blind checks. 8 of you to the flop: Ah 9c Qc. One player bets, another raises, and another re-raises. It’s your decision. Should you call, fold, or cap the betting?
Cap. You are getting the odds to hammer this pot. And, you are possibly buying a free card from someone who will check a set to you on the turn.
Awesome. I wrote a quiz, and even Mr. Scharf replied!
I plan on posting my 'answers' tomorrow night. It's almost redundant at this point, because a *lot* of good comments have already been thrown out there, but hey, that was my intention when I posted this thread, so I will see it through for better or for worse.
Then, I'll revise some of my answers based on what all of you have posted, and re-post the new and improved version in a new thread, for your reference if you're interested.
Hell, maybe I'll even make a scoreboard. Who agreed with me on the most number of questions? Bear in mind THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING but it might be fun.
Thanks again for the replies so far, and if anyone else would like to contribute, please do so!
Scotty: The only thing I don't like about your post is that I was an observer at that point.
Hmmm... Mods can doctor posts, right?
You sure deserved better than being sent to the rail by that complete *yahoo* who kept dishing out bad beat after bad beat. I'll go give him some good ol' whatfor for ya.
You sure deserved better than being sent to the rail by that complete *yahoo* who kept dishing out bad beat after bad beat. I'll go give him some good ol' whatfor for ya.
NurseHoliday [observer] said, "did he pass?"
Timesmog collected 2200 from pot
ScottyZ said, "lol"
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ScottyZ said, "he's the answer key"
Just so everyone is clear, because intent is difficult to ascertain with the written word, my question was VERY tongue in cheek. Don't want any misunderstandings - like everyone else, I very much looked forward to comparing my answers to Dave's.
Here are the answers I wrote before I posted the questions. If I sound like I’m speaking to a beginner in them, it’s because these answers weren’t originally written to be posted here. I am going to change the answers a bit—at least a few of them—and then repost the entire new and improved question and answer page in a new thread. Thanks again for all of the replies… very helpful. I've shortened the questions down here, to save some space, and I've had to break my answers up into two or three posts.
QUESTION ONE. You are MP with AhKc. Player to your immediate right called pre-flop, you raised. Button re-raised, and both you and the player to your right called. 3 of you to the flop: Ad Qd 4d. Check, you bet, call, call. Turn: 9d. Check, you check, bet, raise. Your decision, to call 2 cold?
ANSWER: Fold. Any diamond makes a flush, and no possible river card could give you a better hand than a flush. Even if it could, it wouldn’t be worth your while to pay to see it. Since this is a multi-way pot, this is an easy fold. However, it was heads-up between you and an aggressive opponent, it might be worth calling him down. Check-raising or betting into a ‘scary’ board is a classic way to bluff. In a multi-way pot, people don’t often bluff into a board like this, because chances are good that someone has a half-decent diamond, and will call the bluff. Heads-up, however, an aggressive opponent could try to bluff you with a weaker hand than yours, and I’d probably call him down in that particular scenario.
QUESTION TWO. You are BB with pocket eights. EP raises, 3 players call. You call as well. Five to the flop: Ac 6d 8h. You act first: check or bet?
ANSWER: You should check, and just call any bets on the flop, with the intention of check-raising the turn. Whenever you make a really big hand like this on a non-threatening flop in early position, you should wait until the turn for a check-raise, because the betting limits go up on the turn and you will very likely get more money into the pot that way. If, however, the flop had two cards of the same suit, or obvious straight draw possibilities, you’d want to bet or check-raise the flop, instead. You’d then be in control of the betting of the hand, and you’d bet the turn if no ‘scare cards’ came. On a ‘drawing’ flop, you need to control the betting right from the start, because the turn could get checked around if your drawing opponents are still waiting for their cards to come. This would obviously thwart your plan to check-raise the turn… if nobody bets, you can’t raise.
Although check-raising the turn is expensive for you if you hold a losing hand (because you may get re-raised), a powerhouse like a set of eights on a flop like that can afford to set a bit of a trap, by waiting to check-raise the turn. While it’s true that you’d be losing to a player holding pocket aces, you can’t assume that someone has aces just because there was a pre-flop raise. All sorts of players will raise pre-flop with all sorts of hands, so you shouldn’t always be giving your opponents credit for big pocket pairs. You flopped a monster on a non-threatening board, and I think the best way to get the most value out of it is a big turn check-raise, but only if there are no obvious draws, and only if you are almost certain that one of your opponents has made a good hand and will bet the turn for you in the first place.
QUESTION THREE. It is folded to you preflop, and you have KdQc. You are in late position, to the immediate right of the button. What should you do?
ANSWER: You should raise. Any playable hand—including suited connectors—should be raised if it is folded to you in late position. You will win the blinds if the remaining players fold, and if you are called or re-raised, you have a decent hand, and you have position on both of the blinds. If one of the blinds just calls your preflop raise, and checks the flop to you, a bet is usually enough to pick up the pot because of the strength you’ve already shown. Unless, of course, the blind hit the flop hard, and is planning to check-raise you. Also, if you are against the sort of opponent who is aggressive enough to attempt a bluff-checkraise against you on a rag flop, like 973, then you should check the flop behind him, and have a look at the turn. Against most opponents, though, betting any flop in this spot is usually correct. Never just call with playable cards from late position if it’s been folded to you pre-flop. You should raise, every time.
QUESTION FOUR. You have pocket queens in middle position. Pre-flop, an early position player raises, and it is then folded to you. Should you re-raise, call, or fold?
ANSWER:
You should re-raise. A pair of queens is a great, but vulnerable, starting hand. By making it three bets before the flop, you are hoping to prevent players left to act with hands like KQ, Ax, etc… from calling. If any king or ace comes on the flop (and one of them often will), you will probably be losing to a pair of kings or aces, if a lot of players were to see the flop. You are re-raising to protect what is an excellent but vulnerable hand. Ideally, you want everyone to fold except the initial raiser, so you can play this hand heads-up. The fewer players there are seeing the flop, the smaller the chance that you’ll lose to somebody pairing up a card higher than a queen.
QUESTION FIVE. You have KcJc in LP. Three players just call before you, and you just call as well. The small blind calls, and the big blind checks, so six of you see this flop: Ac9c6h. The first player checks, and the second player bets. The third player calls. What should you do?
ANSWER: Raise. You have nothing but a flush draw, but you are in late position. You are raising your draw on the flop with the intention of checking the turn if a club doesn’t come. This is called raising for a free card. It’s not really ‘free’, but it is a good way to draw cheaply from late position.
Consider the two possibilities (folding the flop is out of the question). Let’s say you just call the bet on the flop (which is a fine play, as well). The turn card is a heart, and you call the same player’s bet again, hoping for a club on the river. The river is a diamond, and you fold to the player’s final bet, because you missed your flush. $2 preflop plus $2 on the flop plus $4 on the turn means that you spent $8 on this missed flush draw.
Let’s look at the other possibility: you raise the flop, and nobody re-raises you. The turn card is a heart, and because of the strength you showed on the flop, everyone checks to you, expecting you to bet with what they think is a strong pair, at least. But, since your club didn’t arrive, you check as well, and since you are the last to act, everyone (including you) sees the river card for ‘free’. The river card is a diamond, and you fold to a bet. $2 preflop plus $4 on the flop plus $0 on the turn means that you spent $6 on this missed flush draw, which is $2 less than if you’d just called the flop and the turn bets.
Of course, if you raise the flop, intending to check the turn if your club doesn’t come, what do you do if you are re-raised on the flop? Well… you call the re-raise, and you call the turn bet that will most likely follow it. You have a draw to the best hand, so you wouldn’t fold. You would, however, have spent more on your flush draw than you would have if you hadn’t raised the flop. But, while building a pot on the flop with a draw to the best hand shouldn’t be standard practice for you—after all, you currently have ‘high card’ as your best poker hand—at least you’ll win a big pot if your club does appear. Raising a flop from late position, with the intention of taking a free card on the turn if your good draw doesn’t materialize, is a money-saving play in the long run.
QUESTION SIX.
You have black kings in MP. One EP player calls pre-flop, you raise, and only the BB and the EP player call your raise. 3 of you see the flop: Ac9h7h. EP checks, you bet, the BB folds, and EP calls. The turn is the Qs. EP checks, and you bet again, to charge him for his flush draw if that’s what he has. He calls. The river is the 3c. EP checks. Should you check or bet?
ANSWER: You should check as well, ending the betting. Since the flush draw didn’t materialize, you won’t get called by the EP player on the river if that’s what he had. So, the only hands he will (likely) call you with are hands that can beat you. If you are in late position on the river, and you have the choice to check or bet, you should always think about that before you bet. What hands could my opponent call with here that I can beat? If the answer is: there are a lot of them, then you should bet. If, however, the answer is: only unlikely ones, you should check behind. Would he call you all the way to the river with a flopped pair of nines? Probably not—at least, he shouldn’t. Would he call you all the way to the river with a flush draw? Yes, but the flush draw didn’t get there, so he wouldn’t give you any more of his money if you bet the river. Would he call you all the way to the river with a pair of aces, but never raise? Very possibly, yes. Especially if he’s a tight player, and he believes you may have a better kicker than he does.
You save yourself a bet if you’re losing to a pair of aces, by checking behind (minimizing your losses). There are very few hands worse than yours that would actually call a bet on the river. Chances are, you’ve either been beaten by aces, or you’ve beaten a flush draw that wouldn’t call your last bet anyways. With all this in mind, you should check.
QUESTION SEVEN. You have 7s8s in the small blind. A couple of players call, a late position player raises, and you call, along with the other players. 5 of you see the flop: 2d 8h 6s. You are first to act, and you bet because you have top pair. One player calls, one folds, one raises, and then the late position player (who initially raised pre-flop) re-raises. Do you call, cap it, or fold?
ANSWER: You should fold. You entered this pot with suited connectors, and you didn’t flop a good draw. Sometimes, suited connectors end up flopping top pair, so you can be swayed from your original plan of flopping a good draw because you flopped top pair. If, however, people are raising you, it’s time to fold your top pair. Any pocket pair of twos, sixes, eights, nines, tens, jacks, queens, kings, or aces is beating you, as well as anyone who played an eight with a better kicker, like A8s, or 89s. Your hand is too weak to bother playing past the flop unless you have a strong draw to a flush or a straight, especially if you’ve been raised when you flop top pair on the board.
QUESTION EIGHT. You have AsQs in early position, and you raise pre-flop. One middle position player calls, as does one late postion player. Both blinds fold. Three of you see the flop: Ts4cJh. You check, the middle position player bets, and the late position player calls. Call, raise, or fold?
ANSWER: You should call. I know I advise folding on the flop if all you have is overcards, but you have more than overcards here. You have a gutshot straight draw (any K gives you the straight) and you have what’s called a backdoor flush draw. A backdoor flush draw is when you hold two suited hole cards, and one of your suits comes on the flop. You need both the turn and the river to come up as your suit to make your flush, which doesn’t happen often.
If you only had one of these things going for you on the flop—overcards, or a gutshot straight draw, or a backdoor flush draw—then you should indeed fold to a bet. However, there is strength in numbers, so while any single one of these weak draws would be an easy fold on its own, the fact that there are three weak draws going for you makes it an easy call, instead. If the turn doesn’t come as a spade, an ace, a queen, or a king, you should fold to a bet at that point.
QUESTION NINE. You have red pocket jacks in late position. 2 callers to you and you raise. The big blind calls, as do the two original callers. 4 of you see the flop of KsTdQs. The big blind bets, and everybody calls, including you. (Note that you shouldn’t raise for a free card for your draw in this situation, because there is another draw on the flop to a flush, which would beat your straight if both draws are made.) The turn is the As. The big blind checks, the next player bets, the next player raises, and now it’s up to you. Should you call, re-raise, or fold?
ANSWER: I would call. Just because a flush is possible, that doesn’t mean that one is necessarily out there. It’s very possible that right now one of the other players has a straight to the ace, as well. As a matter of fact, if the pot hadn’t already been raised on the turn, I’d probably raise it myself to try and get any single-spade hands out. If a spade were to come on the river, your straight would almost certainly be no good with four spades on the board, especially if more than one opponent remained.
QUESTION TEN. You have AhJh in MP. First player raises, one player calls, you call, and the button calls. 4 of you to the flop: 3hKh9h. The first player bets, and the second player raises. Do you call or re-raise? ANSWER: You should call, hoping to keep as many players in the pot as possible. Save your raise for the turn when the betting limit goes up, and only slow down if the board pairs, making a full house or quads possible. When you flop the best flush—also known as the nut flush—you want to play it in such a way as to maximize your winnings.
QUESTION ELEVEN. You have TcJc on the button. Five players call preflop, and you just call as well. The small blind completes his bet, and the big blind checks. 8 of you to the flop: Ah 9c Qc. One player bets, another raises, and another re-raises. It’s your decision. Should you call, fold, or cap the betting?
ANSWER: You should cap the betting. You have flopped an open-ended straight flush draw. Any club, or any 8, or any K will probably win you the pot; as a matter of fact, you have a better chance of winning this pot at this point than someone with AK, who has already flopped top pair, best kicker. The more bets that go into the pot on the flop, the bigger the pot will be if you win it, which you will, more often than not. So, you should cap the flop, and hope that as many people call as possible. If you don’t make one of your draws on the turn card, however, you will want to slow down, because a player with AK now stands a much better chance of winning with only one card to come for your draw. But you should get your money in when you have the best of it, and on the flop, you do.
Note that you are not raising the flop for a free turn card, as was the case in question five. Here, you are raising the flop for value, because your draw has so many outs that you’re essentially making money on every bet that goes into the pot. Chances are good that you won’t get a free turn card anyways—the flop was bet, raised and re-raised before it got to you. Clearly, there are other players in the hand who really like their chances, as well.
I thought I’d also compare the number of answers that corresponded with my own for each poster. It’s entirely possible that people who agreed with me the least are in fact the most correct, lol… so these ‘scores’ mean nothing, but I thought you might get a kick out of them.
It was tough to score people who said “My answers are pretty much the same as everyone’s except #Xâ€, because everyone’s answers were different. Also, half-points were awarded in instances like these: someone’s answer was ‘check’ about a flop decision, where my answer was something like ‘check the flop, with the intention of check-raising the turn’. All numbers are out of 11.
Big J: 7 ½
Alex 844: 8 ½
Sinc: 6
HellmuthFan: 9 ½
Phred: 6 ½
Vinsanity: 9
Chugs: 8 ½
MickeyHoldem: 9 ½
Scotty: 7 ½ (half-points were given for some answers… like 8 and 9… that--while very instructive--didn't give a definitive answer one way or the other. Like I said, very useful, but impossible to 'score' lol...)
Ventrick: 7 ½
Professor: 9 ½ (Score based on #2 being check-call and then check-raise)
Gamblor: 8
Tilter: 9
Dave Scharf: 8 ½
Regards,
all_aces
ps: I'll probably write a NL one later next week, since people seemed to enjoy this exercise.
1 - fold, you are drawing to the 2nd best hand ( straight) and an outside one at best. chances are good they have 2 pair because most play high cards, and even better there may be a set.
2- in a tounament you would bet it out and make people pay for the cards ( if they want to see them) if someone comes back save the rest of your chips. 2/4 game the correct action would be a check raise
3- raise, you may steel the pot.
4- re raise as you have to shorten the field of players and make it head to head (I did this today at port perry- work very well!!!).
5- raise as your hand has potential and you are drawing to the best hand
6- check because if he has the ace he will not fold and you will loose one more big bet. If he doesn't you win. He may have a weak kicker as may players play the Ax in the blinds
7- i really don't know cap it may shorten the field and go into a check for the card if it didn't help, check fold.
8- fold, save your money
9- call, you may have drawn the second best hand and even though the flush may be out there, your hand is strong.
10-call, keep as many fools betting at the pot as possible when you have the nut flush. sure at card may pair, watch for it but if it does not, bet out on the river.
11- Cap the betting, you are drawing to the best possible hand.
I thought I’d also compare the number of answers that corresponded with my own for each poster.
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All numbers are out of 11.
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Professor: 9 ½ (Score based on #2 being check-call and then check-raise)
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Dave Scharf: 8 ½
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Hey, all_aces, I'm happy to see I'm closer to Dave S. than you are.... on answering your quiz, at least, though not on bankroll! Thanks a lot for this, it has been huge fun.
Dead Money: I did not look at the answers - What would my score be?
8 out of 11.
DID I PASS?????
Everybody passed lol... even if we agreed on none of them. A quiz about poker is tough to 'score', because the answers are always: 'it depends'. That doesn't mean we can't have some fun anyways, tho...
Professor:
Thanks a lot for this, it has been huge fun.
(One-off column in CPP, Dave?)
Can't wait for the NL quiz. Woo-hoo!
Glad you enjoyed it! My pleasure... it took very little effort because it was already written lol. As for the NL one, I'll have to write that, but it was fun to write the limit one so I expect it'll be fun to write that as well. But man, if a *limit* quiz is this subjective, I think we can imagine the range of responses we'll get for a NL (tournament) quiz. Actually, I think it'll be a lot tougher.
Hey, all_aces, I'm happy to see I'm closer to Dave S. than you are
ROFL, I didn't read your post closely enough. You make a great point... anyone who scored 8.5 got a perfect score (provided you and Dave agreed on the same questions of course). The farther you are from 8.5, the worse you did.
Hey Aces! Thanks for the quiz. I am pleased to see how 'well' I did in relation to others here. Reason being, is that the sum total of my Hold 'em experience has been research. I do not play on-line, and have not as yet been able to convince the poker gang I am part of to give Hold 'em a go. As for the b&m experience, that will be next week when I am on holidays. Should be fun.
The really interesting thing I like about limit, is it's similarity to no limit, after the blinds get insane. lol Can catch some people off guard near the end.
half-points were awarded in instances like these: someone’s answer was ‘check’ about a flop decision, where my answer was something like ‘check the flop, with the intention of check-raising the turn’.
You grade like some of my teachers out of my past... show your work!
to which I always responded... "Life ain't like that... The novel I just bought didn't have all 6 drafts the writer went through to get the final product. I didn't see all the correction and suggestions his editor wrote in the margins... You don't get to see all those athletes put in years of training before the olympics... They just broadcast the 'finals'... everyone is happy!... man, highschool is so out of touch with reality!!" to which the best teachers always said "Show your work next time or you get an F... Life ain't fair!!"... guess they weren't that far off!!!
Seriously, excellent quiz man... and now some indepth discussion of #11
You have TcJc on the button. Five players call preflop, and you just call as well. The small blind completes his bet, and the big blind checks. 8 of you to the flop: Ah 9c Qc. One player bets, another raises, and another re-raises. It’s your decision. Should you call, fold, or cap the betting?
With 8 players seeing the flop... and a bet, raise, and re-raise ahead of me, I gotta wonder what everyone has. Who is raising on this flop(which is a nice scary one btw)... well let's see... maybe someone with a nice flush draw like in Q#5... Ax of clubs maybe... 2 pair's definately gonna raise... but what hands are re-raising... Ax of clubs agian?...2 pair definately... and trips(with no preflop raise this seems unlikely... only 9's maybe). No more than 4 of you are gonna see the turn(looks like you have position)... and probably only 3 (the original bettor needs a hand to stay). If one of these players holds Acxc or Kcxc(even worse for you) I think capping the betting is a -EV play.
shit... did I just disagree with all aces and Dave??? and everyone else!!!
And for vinsinity:
all aces Quiz LeaderBoard:
19.49 HellmuthFan
19.49 MickeyHoldem
19.49 Professor
8.72 Vinsanity
8.72 Tilter
5.22 Alex 844
5.22 Chugs
5.22 Dave Scharf
3.47 Gamblor
2.30 Big J
2.30 ScottyZ
2.30 Ventrick
1.38 Phred
1.00 Sinc
They just broadcast the 'finals'... everyone is happy!... man, highschool is so out of touch with reality!!" to which the best teachers always said "Show your work next time or you get an F... Life ain't fair!!"... guess they weren't that far off!!!
Well, to be honest, this whole 'scoring' thing was kind of a last-minute thought, to kind of sum the thing up. As I've said, the scores are meaningless, but yeah I probably should have been a bit more specific about asking people to say things like 'check with the intention of...' instead of just 'check'. Like I said though, I wasn't planning on the 'scoring' part when I originally posted this thread, so I figured people would put as much or as little into it as they liked.
Here's a little something extra, to take you back to high school again: "I wrote the quiz, and I'll score it however I please." j/k
Hi
I wrote down my answers when you first posted but never had time to post them , ;
1--fold.. your beat
2--check......to trap if possible
3--raise....good position
4--call...I want to see the flop without paying an extra bet to AK
5--call.......To see if the flush will come..or raise as a semi bluff if I like the read
6--bet....try & see if I can get one more bet ..do not put him on an A
7--Fold..not worth the straight draw
8--call...lots of possible outs
9--Reraise..top straight against top pair or flush , if its a flush im done..lol
10--call..to trap & hope someone makes a hand
11-- cal....lots of outs
Great thread AA...sorry so late ..just not enogh hours in the day sometimes.
Also..I secound the idea...what a great colum in CPP !!
Well, to be honest, this whole 'scoring' thing was kind of a last-minute thought
This is how schools do it now...
"Oh my goodness... we can't grade these papers... we might have to fail little Johnny. This test was just to see how well they are absorbing the material... not to pass or fail!!!!"
"We can't hold Jane back a year... she'll feel like an outcast, alone... it could scar her for the rest of her life." (like not being able to read is going to help her)
Personally, I have a cousin that graduated high school and can barely read... I can't believe the school system now. He went to the same high school I did.(20 years later)... although I think the problem started in elementary school. I personally think that some of the teachers that are in schools today have no right to be anywhere near the classroom. My son starts JK this year (junior and senior kindergarten... another great idea!!... better spread that colouring and cutting across 2 years... that's tough stuff... but I digress) and I can't wait to see some of the gems he gets for teachers!! And the list of things that people have to buy... the school provides nothing compared to what the used to!! It's unbelievable!!
... back to the predictability of poker... Please!!
from my grade 11 physics class:
teacher on first day of class... "Here's a little suprise test to see what everyone knows."
voice from back of class... "It's no surprise... last years class warned us about you."
You sure deserved better than being sent to the rail by that complete *yahoo* who kept dishing out bad beat after bad beat. I'll go give him some good ol' whatfor for ya.
ScottyZ
Are you refering to me??
Well Isnt that nice respect that winner gets!!(lol)
I do feel a little bad about cracking All_A's A,Q with a A,6 , but hey thats poker. Im still pleased I won , mainly because I don't feel my game is at the same level of alot of ppl on here & Im Improving.
This fourm has an excelent group & I have learned a ton also the little games are great fun....as long as you dont take them to seriously(( None of us do....right Scotty??)
With 8 players seeing the flop... and a bet, raise, and re-raise ahead of me, I gotta wonder what everyone has. Who is raising on this flop(which is a nice scary one btw)... well let's see... maybe someone with a nice flush draw like in Q#5... Ax of clubs maybe... 2 pair's definately gonna raise... but what hands are re-raising... Ax of clubs agian?...2 pair definately... and trips(with no preflop raise this seems unlikely... only 9's maybe). No more than 4 of you are gonna see the turn(looks like you have position)... and probably only 3 (the original bettor needs a hand to stay). If one of these players holds Acxc or Kcxc(even worse for you) I think capping the betting is a -EV play.
Hmm. You make a fairly good point, although it's still debatable. What I'm trying to do with this quiz is make it as "un-debatable" as possible, which is impossible in poker, but I'm trying nonetheless.
With that in mind, I'll probably change the question a bit. I want it to be an open-ended straight flush draw, so I'm not going to give the player the ace of clubs. However, what if there was a raise pre-flop, and one or two fewer players seeing the flop? In that instance, it'd be more likely that one of your opponents has trips, and one has two pair. Possibly one is raising an open-ended straight draw. Your cap would get none of these hands out, and would still be +EV. Any thoughts on this?
I've already started to revise the questions and answers. What I'm doing though for some of them is revising the question, to keep my answer. For example, question five where I suggested raising for a free card. Dave (and others) are right... you don't want to raise in a big multiway pot like this because you don't want to lose anybody. So, I changed the question, and made it heads up between the button and BB. Folded to the button ("you") who raises preflop with KcJc. BB calls. Heads-up to the same flop: Ac 9c 6h. BB bets. Here, I think it is 'un-debatable' that raising for a free card is the most correct play, as it is not a multiway pot, and your raise may get him to fold right then and there if he was just 'testing' you.
So, I changed the question to suit my answer (life isn't fair) and I'll probably do something similiar for #11, if a lot of people think that question is still too open to debate.
Comments
You have red pocket jacks in late position. 2 callers to you and you raise. The big blind calls, as do the two original callers. 4 of you see the flop of KsTdQs. The big blind bets, and everybody calls, including you. The turn is the As. The big blind checks, the next player bets, the next player raises, and now it’s up to you. Should you call, re-raise, or fold?
my feeling here is that with so many high cards out you are more likely up against two pair than the flush , especially when As , Ks , & Qs are on the board and not in someones hand , you may be drawing dead , but you can't be scared of the nuts on every hand , I'm flingin' in more chips.
I fold. The check call on the flop LOOKS like a diamond draw and the ceck raise on the turn seem to confirm it. Also, the button could have a diamond. Fold.
Bet. You can go for the c/r but this is a 2-4 game. There is a VERY good chance that your bet will be raised and you will get to three bet it. Woohoo. Generally, bet with the best hand. C/r not a bad play, but not my preference.
Raise. I think I have the best hand. Make them pay.
Re-raise. It will help to define you hand and will help to drive out some hands that in a 2-4 game might call a single raise that could out flop you.
Call. Your biggest equity in this pot comes from money going in. Lots of players in a 2-4 game will call a single raise with all kinds of crud. You do not want them out, you want them in, in case you make your flush.
Check. It is likely that he has a busted flush draw (in which case he can't call) or a weak ace (in which case you are beat). In a 2-4 game is it also possible that he has any pair and will pay you off so I don't hate betting, but I think it is a neutral or slightly negative EV play.
Fold. YOu are beat and drawing to 5 outs or WORSE. Probably shouldn't bet out here in the first place. Go for the c/r and try and force out the overcards.
Call. You are probably beat, but have enough implied odds to take off the turn.
Fold. The bet AND raise have come from new bettors. Someone made a flush.
I call and go for the raise on the turn. I re-re-raise is not bad though.
Cap. You are getting the odds to hammer this pot. And, you are possibly buying a free card from someone who will check a set to you on the turn.
all aces said, "Dave answered my quiz!"
all aces said, "awesome"
ScottyZ: folds
ScottyZ said, "cool"
Timesmog collected 2550 from pot
Timesmog said, "cool"
Timesmog: shows [7d Ah] (a pair of Aces)
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NurseHoliday [observer] said, "did he pass?"
Timesmog collected 2200 from pot
ScottyZ said, "lol"
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ScottyZ said, "he's the answer key"
NurseHoliday [observer] said, "lol"
all aces said, "lol exactly scotty"
I plan on posting my 'answers' tomorrow night. It's almost redundant at this point, because a *lot* of good comments have already been thrown out there, but hey, that was my intention when I posted this thread, so I will see it through for better or for worse.
Then, I'll revise some of my answers based on what all of you have posted, and re-post the new and improved version in a new thread, for your reference if you're interested.
Hell, maybe I'll even make a scoreboard. Who agreed with me on the most number of questions? Bear in mind THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING
Thanks again for the replies so far, and if anyone else would like to contribute, please do so!
Regards,
all_aces
Hmmm... Mods can doctor posts, right?
You sure deserved better than being sent to the rail by that complete *yahoo* who kept dishing out bad beat after bad beat. I'll go give him some good ol' whatfor for ya.
ScottyZ
Masochist.
What did you say about my mother?!
ScottyZ
QUESTION ONE.
You are MP with AhKc. Player to your immediate right called pre-flop, you raised. Button re-raised, and both you and the player to your right called. 3 of you to the flop: Ad Qd 4d. Check, you bet, call, call. Turn: 9d. Check, you check, bet, raise. Your decision, to call 2 cold?
ANSWER:
Fold. Any diamond makes a flush, and no possible river card could give you a better hand than a flush. Even if it could, it wouldn’t be worth your while to pay to see it. Since this is a multi-way pot, this is an easy fold. However, it was heads-up between you and an aggressive opponent, it might be worth calling him down. Check-raising or betting into a ‘scary’ board is a classic way to bluff. In a multi-way pot, people don’t often bluff into a board like this, because chances are good that someone has a half-decent diamond, and will call the bluff. Heads-up, however, an aggressive opponent could try to bluff you with a weaker hand than yours, and I’d probably call him down in that particular scenario.
QUESTION TWO.
You are BB with pocket eights. EP raises, 3 players call. You call as well. Five to the flop: Ac 6d 8h. You act first: check or bet?
ANSWER:
You should check, and just call any bets on the flop, with the intention of check-raising the turn. Whenever you make a really big hand like this on a non-threatening flop in early position, you should wait until the turn for a check-raise, because the betting limits go up on the turn and you will very likely get more money into the pot that way. If, however, the flop had two cards of the same suit, or obvious straight draw possibilities, you’d want to bet or check-raise the flop, instead. You’d then be in control of the betting of the hand, and you’d bet the turn if no ‘scare cards’ came. On a ‘drawing’ flop, you need to control the betting right from the start, because the turn could get checked around if your drawing opponents are still waiting for their cards to come. This would obviously thwart your plan to check-raise the turn… if nobody bets, you can’t raise.
Although check-raising the turn is expensive for you if you hold a losing hand (because you may get re-raised), a powerhouse like a set of eights on a flop like that can afford to set a bit of a trap, by waiting to check-raise the turn. While it’s true that you’d be losing to a player holding pocket aces, you can’t assume that someone has aces just because there was a pre-flop raise. All sorts of players will raise pre-flop with all sorts of hands, so you shouldn’t always be giving your opponents credit for big pocket pairs. You flopped a monster on a non-threatening board, and I think the best way to get the most value out of it is a big turn check-raise, but only if there are no obvious draws, and only if you are almost certain that one of your opponents has made a good hand and will bet the turn for you in the first place.
QUESTION THREE.
It is folded to you preflop, and you have KdQc. You are in late position, to the immediate right of the button. What should you do?
ANSWER:
You should raise. Any playable hand—including suited connectors—should be raised if it is folded to you in late position. You will win the blinds if the remaining players fold, and if you are called or re-raised, you have a decent hand, and you have position on both of the blinds. If one of the blinds just calls your preflop raise, and checks the flop to you, a bet is usually enough to pick up the pot because of the strength you’ve already shown. Unless, of course, the blind hit the flop hard, and is planning to check-raise you. Also, if you are against the sort of opponent who is aggressive enough to attempt a bluff-checkraise against you on a rag flop, like 973, then you should check the flop behind him, and have a look at the turn. Against most opponents, though, betting any flop in this spot is usually correct. Never just call with playable cards from late position if it’s been folded to you pre-flop. You should raise, every time.
QUESTION FOUR.
You have pocket queens in middle position. Pre-flop, an early position player raises, and it is then folded to you. Should you re-raise, call, or fold?
ANSWER:
You should re-raise. A pair of queens is a great, but vulnerable, starting hand. By making it three bets before the flop, you are hoping to prevent players left to act with hands like KQ, Ax, etc… from calling. If any king or ace comes on the flop (and one of them often will), you will probably be losing to a pair of kings or aces, if a lot of players were to see the flop. You are re-raising to protect what is an excellent but vulnerable hand. Ideally, you want everyone to fold except the initial raiser, so you can play this hand heads-up. The fewer players there are seeing the flop, the smaller the chance that you’ll lose to somebody pairing up a card higher than a queen.
You have KcJc in LP. Three players just call before you, and you just call as well. The small blind calls, and the big blind checks, so six of you see this flop: Ac9c6h. The first player checks, and the second player bets. The third player calls. What should you do?
ANSWER:
Raise. You have nothing but a flush draw, but you are in late position. You are raising your draw on the flop with the intention of checking the turn if a club doesn’t come. This is called raising for a free card. It’s not really ‘free’, but it is a good way to draw cheaply from late position.
Consider the two possibilities (folding the flop is out of the question). Let’s say you just call the bet on the flop (which is a fine play, as well). The turn card is a heart, and you call the same player’s bet again, hoping for a club on the river. The river is a diamond, and you fold to the player’s final bet, because you missed your flush. $2 preflop plus $2 on the flop plus $4 on the turn means that you spent $8 on this missed flush draw.
Let’s look at the other possibility: you raise the flop, and nobody re-raises you. The turn card is a heart, and because of the strength you showed on the flop, everyone checks to you, expecting you to bet with what they think is a strong pair, at least. But, since your club didn’t arrive, you check as well, and since you are the last to act, everyone (including you) sees the river card for ‘free’. The river card is a diamond, and you fold to a bet. $2 preflop plus $4 on the flop plus $0 on the turn means that you spent $6 on this missed flush draw, which is $2 less than if you’d just called the flop and the turn bets.
Of course, if you raise the flop, intending to check the turn if your club doesn’t come, what do you do if you are re-raised on the flop? Well… you call the re-raise, and you call the turn bet that will most likely follow it. You have a draw to the best hand, so you wouldn’t fold. You would, however, have spent more on your flush draw than you would have if you hadn’t raised the flop. But, while building a pot on the flop with a draw to the best hand shouldn’t be standard practice for you—after all, you currently have ‘high card’ as your best poker hand—at least you’ll win a big pot if your club does appear. Raising a flop from late position, with the intention of taking a free card on the turn if your good draw doesn’t materialize, is a money-saving play in the long run.
QUESTION SIX.
You have black kings in MP. One EP player calls pre-flop, you raise, and only the BB and the EP player call your raise. 3 of you see the flop: Ac9h7h. EP checks, you bet, the BB folds, and EP calls. The turn is the Qs. EP checks, and you bet again, to charge him for his flush draw if that’s what he has. He calls. The river is the 3c. EP checks. Should you check or bet?
ANSWER:
You should check as well, ending the betting. Since the flush draw didn’t materialize, you won’t get called by the EP player on the river if that’s what he had. So, the only hands he will (likely) call you with are hands that can beat you. If you are in late position on the river, and you have the choice to check or bet, you should always think about that before you bet. What hands could my opponent call with here that I can beat? If the answer is: there are a lot of them, then you should bet. If, however, the answer is: only unlikely ones, you should check behind. Would he call you all the way to the river with a flopped pair of nines? Probably not—at least, he shouldn’t. Would he call you all the way to the river with a flush draw? Yes, but the flush draw didn’t get there, so he wouldn’t give you any more of his money if you bet the river. Would he call you all the way to the river with a pair of aces, but never raise? Very possibly, yes. Especially if he’s a tight player, and he believes you may have a better kicker than he does.
You save yourself a bet if you’re losing to a pair of aces, by checking behind (minimizing your losses). There are very few hands worse than yours that would actually call a bet on the river. Chances are, you’ve either been beaten by aces, or you’ve beaten a flush draw that wouldn’t call your last bet anyways. With all this in mind, you should check.
QUESTION SEVEN.
You have 7s8s in the small blind. A couple of players call, a late position player raises, and you call, along with the other players. 5 of you see the flop: 2d 8h 6s. You are first to act, and you bet because you have top pair. One player calls, one folds, one raises, and then the late position player (who initially raised pre-flop) re-raises. Do you call, cap it, or fold?
ANSWER:
You should fold. You entered this pot with suited connectors, and you didn’t flop a good draw. Sometimes, suited connectors end up flopping top pair, so you can be swayed from your original plan of flopping a good draw because you flopped top pair. If, however, people are raising you, it’s time to fold your top pair. Any pocket pair of twos, sixes, eights, nines, tens, jacks, queens, kings, or aces is beating you, as well as anyone who played an eight with a better kicker, like A8s, or 89s. Your hand is too weak to bother playing past the flop unless you have a strong draw to a flush or a straight, especially if you’ve been raised when you flop top pair on the board.
QUESTION EIGHT.
You have AsQs in early position, and you raise pre-flop. One middle position player calls, as does one late postion player. Both blinds fold. Three of you see the flop: Ts4cJh. You check, the middle position player bets, and the late position player calls. Call, raise, or fold?
ANSWER:
You should call. I know I advise folding on the flop if all you have is overcards, but you have more than overcards here. You have a gutshot straight draw (any K gives you the straight) and you have what’s called a backdoor flush draw. A backdoor flush draw is when you hold two suited hole cards, and one of your suits comes on the flop. You need both the turn and the river to come up as your suit to make your flush, which doesn’t happen often.
If you only had one of these things going for you on the flop—overcards, or a gutshot straight draw, or a backdoor flush draw—then you should indeed fold to a bet. However, there is strength in numbers, so while any single one of these weak draws would be an easy fold on its own, the fact that there are three weak draws going for you makes it an easy call, instead. If the turn doesn’t come as a spade, an ace, a queen, or a king, you should fold to a bet at that point.
You have red pocket jacks in late position. 2 callers to you and you raise. The big blind calls, as do the two original callers. 4 of you see the flop of KsTdQs. The big blind bets, and everybody calls, including you. (Note that you shouldn’t raise for a free card for your draw in this situation, because there is another draw on the flop to a flush, which would beat your straight if both draws are made.) The turn is the As. The big blind checks, the next player bets, the next player raises, and now it’s up to you. Should you call, re-raise, or fold?
ANSWER:
I would call. Just because a flush is possible, that doesn’t mean that one is necessarily out there. It’s very possible that right now one of the other players has a straight to the ace, as well. As a matter of fact, if the pot hadn’t already been raised on the turn, I’d probably raise it myself to try and get any single-spade hands out. If a spade were to come on the river, your straight would almost certainly be no good with four spades on the board, especially if more than one opponent remained.
QUESTION TEN.
You have AhJh in MP. First player raises, one player calls, you call, and the button calls. 4 of you to the flop: 3hKh9h. The first player bets, and the second player raises. Do you call or re-raise?
ANSWER:
You should call, hoping to keep as many players in the pot as possible. Save your raise for the turn when the betting limit goes up, and only slow down if the board pairs, making a full house or quads possible. When you flop the best flush—also known as the nut flush—you want to play it in such a way as to maximize your winnings.
QUESTION ELEVEN.
You have TcJc on the button. Five players call preflop, and you just call as well. The small blind completes his bet, and the big blind checks. 8 of you to the flop: Ah 9c Qc. One player bets, another raises, and another re-raises. It’s your decision. Should you call, fold, or cap the betting?
ANSWER:
You should cap the betting. You have flopped an open-ended straight flush draw. Any club, or any 8, or any K will probably win you the pot; as a matter of fact, you have a better chance of winning this pot at this point than someone with AK, who has already flopped top pair, best kicker. The more bets that go into the pot on the flop, the bigger the pot will be if you win it, which you will, more often than not. So, you should cap the flop, and hope that as many people call as possible. If you don’t make one of your draws on the turn card, however, you will want to slow down, because a player with AK now stands a much better chance of winning with only one card to come for your draw. But you should get your money in when you have the best of it, and on the flop, you do.
Note that you are not raising the flop for a free turn card, as was the case in question five. Here, you are raising the flop for value, because your draw has so many outs that you’re essentially making money on every bet that goes into the pot. Chances are good that you won’t get a free turn card anyways—the flop was bet, raised and re-raised before it got to you. Clearly, there are other players in the hand who really like their chances, as well.
It was tough to score people who said “My answers are pretty much the same as everyone’s except #Xâ€, because everyone’s answers were different. Also, half-points were awarded in instances like these: someone’s answer was ‘check’ about a flop decision, where my answer was something like ‘check the flop, with the intention of check-raising the turn’. All numbers are out of 11.
Big J: 7 ½
Alex 844: 8 ½
Sinc: 6
HellmuthFan: 9 ½
Phred: 6 ½
Vinsanity: 9
Chugs: 8 ½
MickeyHoldem: 9 ½
Scotty: 7 ½ (half-points were given for some answers… like 8 and 9… that--while very instructive--didn't give a definitive answer one way or the other. Like I said, very useful, but impossible to 'score' lol...)
Ventrick: 7 ½
Professor: 9 ½ (Score based on #2 being check-call and then check-raise)
Gamblor: 8
Tilter: 9
Dave Scharf: 8 ½
Regards,
all_aces
ps: I'll probably write a NL one later next week, since people seemed to enjoy this exercise.
1 - fold, you are drawing to the 2nd best hand ( straight) and an outside one at best. chances are good they have 2 pair because most play high cards, and even better there may be a set.
2- in a tounament you would bet it out and make people pay for the cards ( if they want to see them) if someone comes back save the rest of your chips. 2/4 game the correct action would be a check raise
3- raise, you may steel the pot.
4- re raise as you have to shorten the field of players and make it head to head (I did this today at port perry- work very well!!!).
5- raise as your hand has potential and you are drawing to the best hand
6- check because if he has the ace he will not fold and you will loose one more big bet. If he doesn't you win. He may have a weak kicker as may players play the Ax in the blinds
7- i really don't know
8- fold, save your money
9- call, you may have drawn the second best hand and even though the flush may be out there, your hand is strong.
10-call, keep as many fools betting at the pot as possible when you have the nut flush. sure at card may pair, watch for it but if it does not, bet out on the river.
11- Cap the betting, you are drawing to the best possible hand.
DID I PASS?????
(One-off column in CPP, Dave?)
Can't wait for the NL quiz. Woo-hoo!
Everybody passed lol... even if we agreed on none of them. A quiz about poker is tough to 'score', because the answers are always: 'it depends'. That doesn't mean we can't have some fun anyways, tho...
Professor: Glad you enjoyed it! My pleasure... it took very little effort because it was already written lol. As for the NL one, I'll have to write that, but it was fun to write the limit one so I expect it'll be fun to write that as well. But man, if a *limit* quiz is this subjective, I think we can imagine the range of responses we'll get for a NL (tournament) quiz. Actually, I think it'll be a lot tougher.
Cheers,
all_aces
ROFL, I didn't read your post closely enough. You make a great point... anyone who scored 8.5 got a perfect score (provided you and Dave agreed on the same questions of course). The farther you are from 8.5, the worse you did.
The really interesting thing I like about limit, is it's similarity to no limit, after the blinds get insane. lol Can catch some people off guard near the end.
to which I always responded... "Life ain't like that... The novel I just bought didn't have all 6 drafts the writer went through to get the final product. I didn't see all the correction and suggestions his editor wrote in the margins... You don't get to see all those athletes put in years of training before the olympics... They just broadcast the 'finals'... everyone is happy!... man, highschool is so out of touch with reality!!" to which the best teachers always said "Show your work next time or you get an F... Life ain't fair!!"... guess they weren't that far off!!!
Seriously, excellent quiz man... and now some indepth discussion of #11
shit... did I just disagree with all aces and Dave??? and everyone else!!!
And for vinsinity:
all aces Quiz LeaderBoard:
19.49 HellmuthFan
19.49 MickeyHoldem
19.49 Professor
8.72 Vinsanity
8.72 Tilter
5.22 Alex 844
5.22 Chugs
5.22 Dave Scharf
3.47 Gamblor
2.30 Big J
2.30 ScottyZ
2.30 Ventrick
1.38 Phred
1.00 Sinc
Well, to be honest, this whole 'scoring' thing was kind of a last-minute thought, to kind of sum the thing up. As I've said, the scores are meaningless, but yeah I probably should have been a bit more specific about asking people to say things like 'check with the intention of...' instead of just 'check'. Like I said though, I wasn't planning on the 'scoring' part when I originally posted this thread, so I figured people would put as much or as little into it as they liked.
Here's a little something extra, to take you back to high school again: "I wrote the quiz, and I'll score it however I please."
Cheers,
all_aces
I wrote down my answers when you first posted but never had time to post them , ;
1--fold.. your beat
2--check......to trap if possible
3--raise....good position
4--call...I want to see the flop without paying an extra bet to AK
5--call.......To see if the flush will come..or raise as a semi bluff if I like the read
6--bet....try & see if I can get one more bet ..do not put him on an A
7--Fold..not worth the straight draw
8--call...lots of possible outs
9--Reraise..top straight against top pair or flush , if its a flush im done..lol
10--call..to trap & hope someone makes a hand
11-- cal....lots of outs
Great thread AA...sorry so late ..just not enogh hours in the day sometimes.
Also..I secound the idea...what a great colum in CPP !!
timesmog
"Oh my goodness... we can't grade these papers... we might have to fail little Johnny. This test was just to see how well they are absorbing the material... not to pass or fail!!!!"
"We can't hold Jane back a year... she'll feel like an outcast, alone... it could scar her for the rest of her life." (like not being able to read is going to help her)
Personally, I have a cousin that graduated high school and can barely read... I can't believe the school system now. He went to the same high school I did.(20 years later)... although I think the problem started in elementary school. I personally think that some of the teachers that are in schools today have no right to be anywhere near the classroom. My son starts JK this year (junior and senior kindergarten... another great idea!!... better spread that colouring and cutting across 2 years... that's tough stuff... but I digress) and I can't wait to see some of the gems he gets for teachers!! And the list of things that people have to buy... the school provides nothing compared to what the used to!! It's unbelievable!!
... back to the predictability of poker... Please!!
from my grade 11 physics class:
teacher on first day of class... "Here's a little suprise test to see what everyone knows."
voice from back of class... "It's no surprise... last years class warned us about you."
Well Isnt that nice respect that winner gets!!(lol)
I do feel a little bad about cracking All_A's A,Q with a A,6 , but hey thats poker. Im still pleased I won , mainly because I don't feel my game is at the same level of alot of ppl on here & Im Improving.
This fourm has an excelent group & I have learned a ton also the little games are great fun....as long as you dont take them to seriously(( None of us do....right Scotty??)
Hmm. You make a fairly good point, although it's still debatable. What I'm trying to do with this quiz is make it as "un-debatable" as possible, which is impossible in poker, but I'm trying nonetheless.
With that in mind, I'll probably change the question a bit. I want it to be an open-ended straight flush draw, so I'm not going to give the player the ace of clubs. However, what if there was a raise pre-flop, and one or two fewer players seeing the flop? In that instance, it'd be more likely that one of your opponents has trips, and one has two pair. Possibly one is raising an open-ended straight draw. Your cap would get none of these hands out, and would still be +EV. Any thoughts on this?
I've already started to revise the questions and answers. What I'm doing though for some of them is revising the question, to keep my answer.
So, I changed the question to suit my answer (life isn't fair) and I'll probably do something similiar for #11, if a lot of people think that question is still too open to debate.
Regards (and thanks),
all_aces