The (biggest) problem with this hand is that although you had the intentions of outplaying your opponent, it boiled down to who had what cards - which is a battle that 73 is going to lose against KK more often than not. Further, if you''re "playing the player", you have to account for the player's current mental state as well, not just his overall deameanor of "tight ABC" player, he is now "ABC player who's sick of this s#$t".
You are getting caught up in an inconesquential part of the hand. If Joe holds two pieces of paper and the weak tight guy bets out into him, he folds. It just happens that in this one circumstance, the pieces of pape turned out to be the best hand. You also seem to forget that Joe was the FAVOURITE on the flop. He didn't get his money in behind "like 73 against KK blah blah blah". He got it in ahead.
I did acknowledge that Joe had the best hand, hence my analogy of A2 vs. KQ... mathematically identical for all intents and purposes.... I still wouldn't risk my tourney life on A2o vs. KQs....
Would you risk it with QQ vs AK. which is the same as where I was. Those who know me well enough know I'm willing to gamboool especially if it means getting a big stack.
The number of times I hear in tourney's "Don't give Joe chips" is funny. The other side of the equation is the next blind level is 200/400 and all of a sudden your 7K doesn't look that big. Going through the blinds once will cost me what it cost me there to call. It will most likely hit me in the blinds but I may get lucky and get through it before it goes up.
I'd rather bust out going down fighting than some of the posts I read on here that I didn't get any cards, the blinds caught up with me blah blah blah. In fast paced tourneys I prefer to take some shots and if they pay off great, if not that's fine too.
At what point to you decide to play? So many people will take a flop like that with suited connectors or small pairs but against his KK they were in the same situation I was in on the flop.....way behind...... with his KK being 80% favoured.
Now let's turn this around..... I raise into the blinds with the same hand 7h 3h and the BB just calls with his KK. Flop comes down the same as before and he bets out? What do you do? Throw it away? Maybe you guys do but I don't.
At what point to you decide to play? So many people will take a flop like that with suited connectors or small pairs but against his KK they were in the same situation I was in on the flop.....way behind...... with his KK being 80% favoured.
Now let's turn this around..... I raise into the blinds with the same hand 7h 3h and the BB just calls with his KK. Flop comes down the same as before and he bets out? What do you do? Throw it away? Maybe you guys do but I don't.
Are you looking for opinions here or to justify your play? You don't need to justify yourself to anyone here. And if you think this play is +EV for you then continue to make it.
If you post on a message board and ask for opinions then you will get them.
Calling with this hand for 10% of your stack is going to lose you money in the long run.
He opened from EP with 7? left to act. What do you think he has here that you are going to push him off of?
If you are playing with garbage you need to make it look like you don't have garbage. This means you need to bet or raise.
I get the insta call at the end, pot commited with odds. I get your play too, you made a read then followed through with it. The only comment I have is, why'd you feel you needed to make a play vs this guy? Even if you had a read on him, you have no chips invested in the pot and even though you have position you have junk cards... Why not fold and wait for some better cards?
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You are getting caught up in an inconesquential part of the hand. If Joe holds two pieces of paper and the weak tight guy bets out into him, he folds. It just happens that in this one circumstance, the pieces of pape turned out to be the best hand. You also seem to forget that Joe was the FAVOURITE on the flop. He didn't get his money in behind "like 73 against KK blah blah blah". He got it in ahead.
But that's just me...
Mark
The number of times I hear in tourney's "Don't give Joe chips" is funny. The other side of the equation is the next blind level is 200/400 and all of a sudden your 7K doesn't look that big. Going through the blinds once will cost me what it cost me there to call. It will most likely hit me in the blinds but I may get lucky and get through it before it goes up.
I'd rather bust out going down fighting than some of the posts I read on here that I didn't get any cards, the blinds caught up with me blah blah blah. In fast paced tourneys I prefer to take some shots and if they pay off great, if not that's fine too.
At what point to you decide to play? So many people will take a flop like that with suited connectors or small pairs but against his KK they were in the same situation I was in on the flop.....way behind...... with his KK being 80% favoured.
Now let's turn this around..... I raise into the blinds with the same hand 7h 3h and the BB just calls with his KK. Flop comes down the same as before and he bets out? What do you do? Throw it away? Maybe you guys do but I don't.
Are you looking for opinions here or to justify your play? You don't need to justify yourself to anyone here. And if you think this play is +EV for you then continue to make it.
If you post on a message board and ask for opinions then you will get them.
Calling with this hand for 10% of your stack is going to lose you money in the long run.
He opened from EP with 7? left to act. What do you think he has here that you are going to push him off of?
If you are playing with garbage you need to make it look like you don't have garbage. This means you need to bet or raise.
And I would push the flop. Everytime.