online poker bill passes!

mrfunkmrfunk
in General Poker Chat
I'm not sure how this is going to effect us Canadian players. I'm sure their are enough European sites we can play on(if anybody has a list that would be great.) Also, should we start emptying our netteller accounts? This bill seems to be targeting  electronic transfers to poker sites. Thoughts?
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  • ol-stone-faceol-stone-face
    It will not affect Canadian players. Our laws pass in Parliament, not on Capitol Hill. We are a sovereign nation last I checked.
    Neteller is a Canadian company, so again I don't understand what an American bill has to do with any of this.
    Americans will find a way to play online poker, it will just be a little more of a pain for them.
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    ol-stone-face wrote:
    It will not affect Canadian players.  Our laws pass in Parliament, not on Capitol Hill. We are a sovereign nation last I checked.
    when you are in bed with an elephant, you'd better hope it doesn't roll over
  • lemmingslemmings
    I've hear from time to time - how Neteller is a Canadian company. This is not true. It has a regional office in Calgary, but is headquartered on the Isle of Man.

    This will affect Canadians only indirectly.

    Currently, of the major sites, only Bodog refuses to accept Canadian customers. I don't think this will change. But there will likely be fewer recreational US players, as there will be obstacles put up to their participation.
  • ol-stone-faceol-stone-face
    pkrfce9 wrote:
    when you are in bed with an elephant, you'd better hope it doesn't roll over

    True. Actually I wouldn't be surpised to see the Canadian version coming to a theatre near you. I wouldn't put anything past our politicians.
    lemmings wrote:
    I've hear from time to time - how Neteller is a Canadian company. This is not true. It has a regional office in Calgary, but is headquartered on the Isle of Man.

    Interesting, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    Americans are idiots. (Make that American politicians. Just keep in mind somebody voted for them.)

    The 'people' will figure out how to continue feeding their addicition.
  • zerozero
    There go the fish.

    http://www.londonstockexchange.com/LSECWS/IFSPages/MarketNewsPopup.aspx?id=1308926&source=RNS
  • MetroMetro
    Thanks for posting the link.

    This is brutal - I heard this on 570 this morning on the drive to work.

    Even though it may not affect Canadians - it will affect all players due to the large number of Americans that fill the seats.

    I can't see any reason why the President will not sign this later in the week.

    I will miss my American Thursday night bar crowd.
  • mrfunkmrfunk
    Interpoker and Pacific have stopped taking U.S customers. Pokerstars looks like they are following Party's lead and pulling out of the stock exchange. Also, Nettller has changed their terms of use. It pops up when you log on and is VERY wordy(if thats a real word). Figure Bush signs everything into law within 2 weeks. I guess we'll be playing for euros from now on.
  • MetroMetro
    I was on Neteller this morning - it came up with a new Policy Agreement - I just clicked OK.

    Any idea of what this said?
  • GrahamGraham
    I wonder if stars will pull their $215 Sunday guaranteed tournament.
  • RAM_EhRAM_Eh
    sloth wrote:
    I wonder if stars will pull their $215 Sunday guaranteed tournament.

    They will gaurantee it will not be anywhere near what is was before.
  • Otto_TroyOtto_Troy
    I personally emailed my Senators before this thing passed....not that it meant anything......the beauty in it is that they attached it to a law protecting the US Ports....so there was no chance of any sane Senator voting against it in an election year. Politics at its best.

    I think a large percentage of Americans who played online poker as a hobby won't bother anymore, because its not worth it. I'm an attorney....so I can't risk getting disbarred by trying to find loopholes with money. It's a shame.... I can buy a lotto ticket and be told I'm a hero for supporting schools (michigan lotto provides big $$$ to public schools), I can gamble on horses and dogs, I can play poker at casinos throughout the state, and other casino games, BUT ONLINE POKER.....that's bad. Totally hypocritical.

    Troy
  • pokerdropokerdro
    I am sure Ottawa will come up with something but it usually takes a couple years for us. I think it might be a good time to get some money out before it gets tied up somewhere in this political mess. I guess the world series of poker will be down to 2000 people or less again.
  • BigChrisElBigChrisEl
    Nothing like the good old fashion democratic process where people add sneaky laws in for their own personal gain, I mean port security and Internet gaming obviously go hand and hand.

    For real how can some one add this into a bill that has to do with port security? I personally would be e-mailing every senator and house rep. bitching that this is un-American by combining two unrelated issues into one bill.

    I’m wondering what people who play on-line poker for a living are going to do.

    Lou any thought?
  • Otto_TroyOtto_Troy
    I am a high school classmates with WSOP Circuit event winner and online pro Peter "Nordberg" Feldman....and suffice it to say....he is highly concerned......at his livelihood being put in jeporday. I guess...pacific poker and party poker are closing their sites to US citizens as soon as the president signs the bill. Scary stuff for him......People don't care about politics and the system (see our voting turnout stats) until it affects them and by that time...it's too late.
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    this should be a huge boost to the us economy
  • pokerdropokerdro
    Anyone want to venture a guess at how many players are american. I am going with the guess of 80%.
  • ChrisWinsorChrisWinsor
    I saw Stars players saying during the last few tables of the WCOOP that they too were getting shut down by Stars.
  • HobbesHobbes
    pokerdro wrote:


    I am sure Ottawa will come up with something but it usually takes a couple years for us.  I think it might be a good time to get some money out before it gets tied up somewhere in this political mess.  I guess the world series of poker will be down to 2000 people or less again.   

    I highly doubt that Ottawa will pass such a law.
    This law in the US is about one thing....taxes from gambling....and that's it.


    Hobbes
  • moosemoose
    zero wrote:
    There go the fish.

    ...to live poker. Boo Yah!
  • Otto_TroyOtto_Troy
    Hobbes,

    I don't think it's about taxes.....the critics indicate it is more about conservative posturing for the election. Paradise Poker CEO was on record begging the US to regulate and tax online poker, but the US won't. I think Party Poker would gladly pay taxes as opposed to this ban. Have you seen their stock plummet?
  • Ricksta3Ricksta3
    In terms of what professional players will be doing with the new bill...I''ve read a few other forums regarding the issue and it sounds like many are contemplating moving out of the US.
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    there goes the neighbourhood
  • Otto_TroyOtto_Troy
    Just my two cents.....but even if the serious online pros move out of the US, there games will still be materially affected.  I'm assuming the online pros prey on inferior competition. I assume that Long run losers...will not be moving out of the states to play poker...therefore the online pros will lost a large percentage of their prey and will be playing against themselves and random Euro and Canadian fishies....The american fishies will be greatly reduced.

    It's all speculation now, but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
  • MetroMetro
    I agree - we are going to lose all those players who decide to sign up after seeing an ad during a Football or Rockstar or the many other programs that are now sponsored by sites like Party Poker.

    People have mentioned that people will find a way to play and that is true of the serious players - but we all know that it is the casual players whom are the best VICTIMS :)

    Yeah I went there.
  • TexLexusTexLexus
    Does this mean online poker sites will be shutting down? If they do, will the money in our accounts still be accessible?
  • g2g2
    TexLexus wrote:
    Does this mean online poker sites will be shutting down?  If they do, will the money in  our accounts still be accessible?
    Yes, I think it means they are shutting down, and they get to keep the money.

    JUST KIDDING :D

    I read somewhere that non-US accounts will be unaffected, so tables will still be open.

    /g2
  • KristyKristy
    What I'm having trouble understanding is HOW this can be a law? I've read a few articles and the posted links..but can't find a satisfactory explanation- could someone please explain the reason for which they are making online poker illegal?

    I'm wondering with the online connections between bank-netteller-site (or bank-site) will continuing to play for the americans be as simple as lying about your address, or opening a foreign bank account? In that is the case..the ave. player may still have some reasonable access- as I'm sure that the people who operate with in the loopholes will make every effort to access the American players

    Some players may stay away based on the official title of "illegal" but the attendance at home/club games show that most players aren't afraid of that title and once a clear method of getting the money onto the sites is found the law itself would be virtually unenforceable..no? Maybe this is less of an apocalypse and more of a black plague?
  • zerozero
    Kristy_Sea wrote:
    What I'm having trouble understanding is HOW this can be a law? I've read a few articles and the posted links..but can't find a satisfactory explanation- could someone please explain the reason for which they are making online poker illegal?

    I'm wondering with the online connections between bank-netteller-site (or bank-site) will continuing to play for the americans be as simple as lying about your address, or opening a foreign bank account? In that is the case..the ave. player may still have some reasonable access- as I'm sure that the people who operate with in the loopholes will make every effort to access the American players

    Some players may stay away based on the official title of "illegal" but the attendance at home/club games show that most players aren't afraid of that title and once a clear method of getting the money onto the sites is found the law itself would be virtually unenforceable..no? Maybe this is less of an apocalypse and more of a black plague?


    The actual act of playing poker online is not illegal for Americans. All the "illegal" stuff is coming from the Wire Act, which it from the 60s or something and makes it illegal to place bets over telephone lines. All this bill actually does is make it illegal from someone to ACCEPT bets. So it isn't actually illegal for people to play, or for US banks to transfer money to poker sites or Neteller. The banks will just go along with it because they don't want to be involved. This is all grey area though since politicians like Frist are saying that the Wire Act does prohibit online gambling. And I have no idea why Party or Stars would ban US players since they are not based in the US and are not subject to their laws as long as the execs saty out of the conutry.
  • Otto_TroyOtto_Troy
    The alleged rationale for the banning of online gambling is that online gambling is susceptible to abuse by minors and is much more capable of destruction than live gambling because of the convienience.

    These are the alleged "reasons" none of which couldn't be solved by regulation (i.e. identification requirements and gambling maximums, daily/weekly/monthly maximums) oh well it's done now
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