Richard~;322636 wrotebasically the math is simple until you involve flats.
Again I'm pretty sure you understand this but just to clarify and for anyone who is reading and interested, our villain flatting range is accounted for in the formula.
But yes I'm not saying I proved atc is profitable so boom we will do that, certainly there will be villains that try to exploit us, or who are just naturally really loose flatters. But we will just note that and tighten our range and adjust to that. This isn't about raising atc, its about the formula that tells you when you should raise wide and when you shouldn't based on our opponents ranges because we know their ranges.
If someone knows you're playing atc in a spot you might as well be throwing your chips in the ocean
I think this will be a lot like Nash to people. So many people study nash just enough to learn that Nash Equilibrium is how perfect players would play each other, but they stop there and say, "People don't play like that in real life so I don't need to know it"
I think the info in this thread will fall victim to that for the exact same reason for some people.
But also keep in mind that one person flatting generally won't skew things far enough (in short stack poker) to make it -ev to open, and we can always check fold post in case they do flat. And if they flat oop and check fold a lot then we can prob open wider.
Here a quick example though that I wonder if people agree with....
folds to hero on the button with 16bbs and antes in play
Sb is tightish losing player with 4bbs
BB is a breakeven reg who 20 tables and isn't capable of adjusting his ranges.
This is an open with ATC imo always.
