Live MTT vs Online MTT

compuease

BlondeFish;240374 wroteDo NOT open limp - RAISE!

This, if it's good enough to play at all, it's good enough to raise... lol.

Story from just last night, playing our weekly league game. 2 new young guys at my table, both have been playing lots of pots, 1 has a relatively large stack, one at the opposite end of the table a short stack after taking a big hit. He has about 2K. I have about 8K, blinds at 2/400. I know my image is very tight to them, not so to the regs. In the cutoff, limped to me. I have 7,8 suited, one of my favorites. Open to 1350. Folded to short stack in BB. He pushes for 650 more. I have to call and of course make my flush against AQ. He can't believe it.. lol Moral, don't limp, raise. You will be rewarded!

moose

compuease;240382 wroteThis, if it's good enough to play at all, it's good enough to raise... lol.

Story from just last night, playing our weekly league game. 2 new young guys at my table, both have been playing lots of pots, 1 has a relatively large stack, one at the opposite end of the table a short stack after taking a big hit. He has about 2K. I have about 8K, blinds at 2/400. I know my image is very tight to them, not so to the regs. In the cutoff, limped to me. I have 7,8 suited, one of my favorites. Open to 1350. Folded to short stack in BB. He pushes for 650 more. I have to call and of course make my flush against AQ. He can't believe it.. lol Moral, don't limp, raise. You will be rewarded!

I don' know what point you are making here. You committed a quarter of your stack with 78 because you didn't pay attention to the size of the stacks behind you, against an opponent who shoved against you even though your image was tight. This was good play?

compuease

moose;240392 wroteI don' know what point you are making here. You committed a quarter of your stack with 78 because you didn't pay attention to the size of the stacks behind you, against an opponent who shoved against you even though your image was tight. This was good play?

ummm, BB would have folded unless he had a very good hand. If he had similar chips to me and pushed, I fold... It's just that, I was paying attn, he just woke up with a hand. Point is, don't limp...

Richard~

Meh, let's not expose 2000 chips out of our 20BB stack when the BB has no choice other than to call us wide with his 5 BB stack imo. With stacks that aren't ridishallow you might have a point though

JtotheLew

T8urmoney;240377 wroteyes, this....it can be profitable in situations in a cash game when you're 100+bb's deep....but remember, tournies you are generally much shorter stacked in comparison to blinds, so you can't waste them

if you can limp, you can raise

That makes sense.

T8urmoney

compuease;240393 wroteummm, BB would have folded unless he had a very good hand. If he had similar chips to me and pushed, I fold... It's just that, I was paying attn, he just woke up with a hand. Point is, don't limp...

I don't particularly like this move. All too often, you'll here the 'it's time to gamble' speach, as they throw the rest in with ATC (which probably has you beat).

I mean, it can get by some, but I'd want a little better holdings to do it in this spot.

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Richard~;240395 wroteMeh, let's not expose 2000 chips out of our 20BB stack when the BB has no choice other than to call us wide with his 5 BB stack imo. With stacks that aren't ridishallow you might have a point though

what ever...... wetts 4 bet this all in with same hand and 40-50bbs....villain had aq too and like 100bbs....seems pretty standard in my books...

compuease

darbday;240418 wrotewhat ever...... wetts 4 bet this all in with same hand and 40-50bbs....villain had aq too and like 100bbs....seems pretty standard in my books...

lol, yeh but we all know how Wetts runs...

Seriously though you doubters, you have to remember this plays more like a turbo SNG. 20 players in 3 1/2 hrs. That's pretty quick...
Also BB had already commented about how tight I was... For what he had left I couldn't fold.. Are you advocating I should have just folder 7,8 suited with only 20BB? Or pushed? naw couldn't do that. Remember blinds are only 15 min and we're going to 300/600 shortly.

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compuease;240420 wrotelol, yeh but we all know how Wetts runs...

Seriously though you doubters, you have to remember this plays more like a turbo SNG. 20 players in 3 1/2 hrs. That's pretty quick...
Also BB had already commented about how tight I was... For what he had left I couldn't fold.. Are you advocating I should have just folder 7,8 suited with only 20BB? Or pushed? naw couldn't do that. Remember blinds are only 15 min and we're going to 300/600 shortly.

if you seriously think he would fold a lot and know the table has you pegged ultra tight (especially the bb) im sure you can do it at some point of fold equity.....but especially with the blinds going up i'd be playing almost atc from the bb.....i think its ultra aggresive and i give high five.....congrats on making the 87s club....ill be there someday

jdAA88

ya I def just muck 78s because of our stack size but if we have a bigger stack we can obv open/call.

compuease

lol, you guys are just too tight! I may have switched places with some of the young guns on here. Would like to hear what Wetts, Steve Kerr have to say about this...

syphilaids

Great post wetts, very informative and to the point.

JtotheLew;240358 wroteFunny post, pretty much you and Vekked were the guys this post was intended for so I am really hyped that you posted.

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Compuease, I Like that move a lot, but not with the BB so short. He is willing to push a wide range of hands in that spot. Even with your image, the BB will ship a wide range of hands from JTs+, A5s+, A8+ and I'd say 55+ are very likely in live donkaments.
If you fold, its true he'll ship a lot lighter, but really in this spot you're just gambling.

JtotheLew

syphilaids;240427 wroteGreat post wetts, very informative and to the point.

FUUUUUU

Compuease, I Like that move a lot, but not with the BB so short. He is willing to push a wide range of hands in that spot. Even with your image, the BB will ship a wide range of hands from JTs+, A5s+, A8+ and I'd say 55+ are very likely in live donkaments.
If you fold, its true he'll ship a lot lighter, but really in this spot you're just gambling.

LoL..don't take offense I didn't mean it that way, they are just the only 2 that I know are succesful full time MTT players, you could all be for all I know but I don't know enough about you :)

T8urmoney

compuease;240423 wrotelol, you guys are just too tight! I may have switched places with some of the young guns on here. Would like to hear what Wetts, Steve Kerr have to say about this...

They're from Ontario, what do they know?

To reiterate my point....playing the 78ss isn't bad always, just this spot IMO. I choose to play against an appropriate stack, not a shorty where I'll have to snap call a shove.

Wetts1012

compuease;240423 wrotelol, you guys are just too tight! I may have switched places with some of the young guns on here. Would like to hear what Wetts, Steve Kerr have to say about this...

Pretty much Mooses post in this spot. Im not opening 78ss even with a bunch of limpers only because there is a 5BB probably tilted stack still behind.

If the Blinds have like 10+BB here I love it.

If I put myself in the 5bb stacks spot, you've basically just isod me to the limpers (who arent likely calling), so Im putting my 5 bigs in very, very wide with additional equity.

That said I dont have your image. Your table squeeze here likely commands more respect from a 5bb stack than mine would.

DennisG

Someone said it earlier..Moose maybe? Anyway...pay attention to your stack sizes and pot sizes. Most live players don't really have a clue about stack sizing/sizes or betting sizes...they will let their stacks dwindle down to 3 bb's and less. They will give you tremendous drawing odds with their bet sizing....

compuease

Wetts1012;240467 wrotePretty much Mooses post in this spot. Im not opening 78ss even with a bunch of limpers only because there is a 5BB probably tilted stack still behind.

If the Blinds have like 10+BB here I love it.

If I put myself in the 5bb stacks spot, you've basically just isod me to the limpers (who arent likely calling), so Im putting my 5 bigs in very, very wide with additional equity.

That said I dont have your image. Your table squeeze here likely commands more respect from a 5bb stack than mine would.

I appreciate your feedback Wetts (not that I don't the others), lol but those westerners... pffffft, what do they know... Until they can field a team and compete at the Royal, they will always just be wishful thinking...

As an aside, it wasn't that I thought the BB was tilting, more that I thought he would fold weak A's, maybe small prs as he had just commented for perhaps the 2nd or 3rd time how few hands I played. He had no prior knowledge or history of me. He was new to our game. He took at least a minute to push with AQ so I almost got away with it. (anyone else would have snapped me off in a second with AQ) He knew he didn't have fold equity so said he was hoping I had a middle pair.. There were also no limpers prior to me, I open raised. However since the consensus is that I should have folded given our relative stack sizes, I will rethink it next time I have a similar situation. Thank you all for your thoughts.. Now back to regular programming...

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naw...if theres three limpers that will likely fold and the bb may or may not shove i think you could squeeze it with 87s whether hes tight or not....

ah you meant folded to you...not limped to you.....in original post

BlondeFish

compuease;240423 wroteWould like to hear what Wetts, Steve Kerr have to say about this...

syphilaids;240427 wroteFUUUUUU

;)

Seriously, you originally stated that it had already been limped to you, which is what would make playing only 87s -EV. Now that you're saying that there were no limpers, then my questions are:
- What were the stack sizes of the puck and SB?
- Why did you size your raise to 3.4x?

For example, if the puck & SB only had around 2000 like the BB, I would have pushed ALL-IN with as little as 76s, 22+, Ax, K4s+, K9o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo, T8s+ 98s, 87s.

Would like to hear what SirWatts has to say about this... :wink2:

Richard~

BlondeFish;240515 wrote For example, if the puck & SB only had around 2000 like the BB, I would have pushed ALL-IN with as little as 76s, 22+, Ax, K4s+, K9o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo, T8s+ 98s, 87s.

Spew imo, how often are we getting three folds here from panic stacks? It's like calling a 2x pot bet all in with a fd postflop, we know we're behind but we're putting it in anyway just because.

If villains are calling 20, 25 and 30% respectively we have like 38% equity when called. I'm having a hard time seing how it would be profitable to push wider than 50% here

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