I love politics

compuease

Bfillmaff Gotta love the symbolism of it 🤣

Terrorism, terrorism I tell ya...🙂

Bfillmaff

compuease Hmm, who should I vote for?

Tough call.
The local guy you like, plus 250B in new debt that our kids will have to pay for.
Or the local guy you don't like, and the federal guy you don't like, but perhaps a more reasonable path forward.

I think I understand your position, and its been reasonable enough. So even if you vote the other way - I will thank you for at least not being this guy...

"This photo will define this Canadian election. This older gentleman, giving the double middle finger at a Mark Carney rally, with a big smile on his face, is a representation of an entire class of people that does not care that you won’t be able to afford a home, that does not care that you won’t be able to have and raise kids in this country, that does not care about the fact that their country and culture is being completely destroyed and decimated from underneath them. This is the face of people who laugh and smile at the fact that you’re complaining about the state of this country"

compuease

Funny it's a young lady laughing with him.... Now do we know this is real with todays misrepresentation? I am sure we can find examples the other way. I also know several acquaintances of mine, similar in age that definitely lean con so I don't think it's an ageist thing. I do not believe that Carney will get us 250B in new debt that PP won't. A lot will be out of eithers control with what's happening south of us. Also if it's "our" debt, ie to debt to Canadians rather than external it is way better.

Interesting link re demographic voting.
https://angusreid.org/canada-election-carney-poilievre-singh-trump-liberals-conservatives-ndp-vote/

And one for 2019.
https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-the-liberals-are-winning-over-older-normally-conservative-voters/

Interesting that women have a bigger propensity to vote Lib. You better keep an eye on your wife. I believe this is similar in the US. Damn left leaning lunatic wives..🙂

Quote "CPC leads by two points among men, Liberals lead by 19 points among women"

compuease

I'm not the best at putting words to my thoughts but here are 2 quotes from different people in the last couple of weeks that I mostly agree with.

"Most boomers know, or should know, Carney like the last 5 bank of Canada governors had common work experiences and common educational successes both domestically, within govt, and internationally. That means a common connection network within Canada and in international economics. Harper didn't, Trudeau didn't, Chretien didn't, Poilievre doesn't. Carney won't overestimate - he's a straightshooter, calm and collected, detail oriented."

"I’m a boomer from Alberta and definitely voting for Carney. Why? 2 reasons. First is that Carney has raised 4 kids and can deal with bullies like Trump, and the puppet masters behind Trump. He is edgy with reporters, poor with French and doesn’t want us poking into his finances or his family life and good on him for all that - I’ll take him as my PM, warts, ticks and all! When he’s asked a question, he answers the damn question - like my generation was taught! Second, I may be older but I have a long memory for Poilievre’s bad behaviour in the House of Commons, his surface-skimming of facts and issues, his rude and arrogant posturing, and his brutal name-calling of good folks like Singh (that was the last straw for me!). Why would he change if he’s elected PM? Boomer women know a little something about treating folks decently, about helping someone in need, about shutting up when it’s time and speaking up when there’s a need. Quebecquois are especially civil and courteous so I’m not surprised they’re shunning him. 15% tax cut? The hypocrisy of this slogan (it’s in fact 15% OF the lowest tax rate of 15%, which is in fact a 2.25% cut!!) and all his other slogans should make all of us shudder. I stand up for democracy and a hand of steel inside a kid glove and that spells Carney for this election."

Bfillmaff

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holy shit man that last one has to be a troll.
well done, you broke my brain.

Elect whoever you guys want...
I am back to the original plan: move out to the woods, far away from you lunatics!

Edit: on a more serious note ... its truly fascinating that we can live in such alternate realities, or draw such opposite conclusions from the things that happen. Lets hope we can find a way to get along.

compuease

Bfillmaff Lets hope we can find a way to get along

Gonna be tough for me to get along with a maritimer cept one who loves dob's can't be all bad..🙂 Even if he does vote Conservative... Question, have you always voted conservative? You already know I go both ways.....

thisORthat

You'll reddy for the Canadian housing market bubble to burst... (sell high buy low?)
(I have zero expertise in real estate and am making things up for dramatic responses)

thisORthat

[unknown] Candidates in my federal riding, Hmm, who should I vote for?

Whomever best represents the people of their riding is typically elected. Here in Kitchener Centre lots of green signs displayed on peoples lawns. Which is indicative of Mike Morrice being re-elected.

Bfillmaff

[unknown] Question, have you always voted conservative?

Mostly yes. But I remember being young and dumb and voting for Jack Layton once. He was a good dude, and I say that as someone who despises the spineless commie NDP. Funny part is that I think my logic at the time was "I just like this guy better" ... with no attention to policy. Kind of like some of you guys are doing now hahaha.

compuease

Yep I liked Jack Layton as well, If he had been with a major party I may have voted for him. However I have never voted NDP. I do take some minor exception to your assertion that the rest of us "elders" don't pay attention to policy. Completely wrong.. Have a great day. I think we should both be thankful we aren't mired in that US mess, Or maybe you like what Trump is doing?

Bfillmaff

compuease I do take some minor exception to your assertion that the rest of us "elders" don't pay attention to policy.

Fair enough, but theres simply no other explanation for voting Carney than not paying attention to policy. Its economic destruction 2.0, woke 2.0, tax me harder 2.0, spend more than we make 2.0, global elite control 2.0, etc etc... its (literally) Trudeau's entire platform and staff, all hiding behind a slick talking likeable "new" face (despite being the advisor for the last 5 years), and (somehow) at an even higher price tag.

So... until you give up and agree with me (😆) im going to keep making fun of you old farts for that.

It could be worse: I could be actually angry at people about it and throw a fit (like these guys burning teslas, for example), but thats not how we do it on the right... instead... you will have to put up with the occasional jab. 😛

compuease I think we should both be thankful we aren't mired in that US mess, Or maybe you like what Trump is doing?

Is it really a mess though? Seems more like butt-hurt libs, amplified by desperate media, and then capitalized on further by a clever Canadian political party trying to hide a horrid 10 year track record.

To your question though: I've already said I support most of what hes doing and its been a mostly fantastic start. Not sure on the big gamble with Trade, so if you are refering to that specifically... only time will tell. Its certainly a high risk / medium reward play... and I'm sure I could argue both sides on it.. but I'll go back to what started this whole thread: I'm much more worried about the future here under a Liberal government than anything Trump could/would/should do to us.

*Shit... did I just sign us up for another 100 posts in this thread... im on a lunch break and wont be able to keep up lol.

**More boomer memes... haha im sorry:

compuease

Wrong, wrong, wrong, if you can't see how badly off financially the average US worker is going to be hurt (and us as a side effect) then I can't help you see the light. It's a lot more than just the Tarriffs, it's the complete dysfunction of the whole Repub party. Holy **** man, can't you see it? Are you really that woke? The outpouring of funds from the US economy is astounding. Never seen anything like it in my lifetime and that goes back to BC.. 😉
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Bfillmaff I support most of what he's doing and its been a mostly fantastic start.

Do you really believe that, honestly? Or are you just pulling the the leg of the vast majority of us here in Canada?

Even my friends and acquaintances that say they are voting Con agree Trump is making a mess of it.

Just looked up on Stats Canada the homicide rate since 2010 has not really changed much, certainly not up 33% so your whole meme falls flat. The worst years were 2020-2022 (covid effect, same in the US) but it dropped off again in 2023.

compuease

lol, just listened and read PP's platform. Lot's of tax savings but just no explanation (or very vague) explanation of where the funding is coming from. And he waits until after all the early polling (record numbers) closes. Hogwash.. Worse than the liberals. I hate ******** government... I'm serious, write me in as a candidate and I'll fix things. Signed, King Jeff..

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/poilievre-to-release-platform-tuesday-with-details-on-new-spending-and-cuts/ar-AA1DkIkh?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=9dd9bd7ef0b74f1fde97b696feb5cac1&ei=15

Bfillmaff

[unknown] Worse than the liberals.

Yikes... I never expected anyone to agree on Trump... but I'm shocked that so many smart people would be fooled by the Liberals scheme. Master class in rebranding.

10 years of destruction, Canada barely recognizable, next generation totally fucked
.. but instead of change... just hit the gas pedal and keep on driving off the cliff.

Keep those elbows up! 🤡

Bfillmaff

[unknown] Just looked up on Stats Canada the homicide rate since 2010 has not really changed much, certainly not up 33% so your whole meme falls flat.

I didnt fact check every stat on that silly meme, but now that I have... it appears to be accurate:

But nevermind the fact that you are flat out wrong on that... Take the politics out of it for a minute:
Do you honestly feel safer than 10 years ago?
Do you not see the homeless encampents everywhere and the rampant drug use?
Do you seriously not agree with the sentiment of that meme?

Now add the politics back in: Our current trajectory is creating more and more desperate people, our current government is complacent with hard drug use - even supplying them in many cases, and our current policy is to release criminals on bail for almost all crimes, including repeat offenders.

Why would you vote for more of this?????????
What in the actual fuck is good about this plan??????

EdtheTed

[unknown]

Yes, statistics are your friend if you start at the point/year most convenient for your argument. But there is such a thing as the "bigger picture".

EdtheTed

[unknown]

"10 years of destruction, Canada barely recognizable, next generation totally fucked". There is no way to combat your severe addiction to hyperbole and demeaning memes. I wish I could suggest a treatment centre but many have been shut down by conservative governments. It is true Canada (and all nations around the world) have severe problems to overcome. And arguing all of these problems are the result of one guy and/or one political party, completely divorced from the rest of the world (where the pandemic, supply chain issues, the war in Ukraine etc. affected inflation and production) is a warm and comforting strategy. It's an easy place to throw your anger. If only things were that simple.

Bfillmaff

So condescending. So closed minded.

Congratulations Ted,
You ARE the meme.

kydder

After digging into the Conservative platform, I can’t help but feel that it’s built more on catchy soundbites than on real, workable solutions. At its core, it seems designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator—banking on the idea that many voters won’t dig deeper or question how the numbers and policies actually fit together.

Here’s what stands out:

The Math Doesn’t Work
The platform promises massive tax cuts—corporate taxes, personal income taxes, you name it—but at the same time, they’re proposing increased spending in various areas. There’s no clear explanation of how this balances out without driving up deficits. You can’t shrink government revenue and increase expenditures without creating a major gap. Fiscal responsibility? This feels like the opposite.
Public Services Will Pay the Price
While promising to maintain or even improve healthcare, education, and social services, the platform simultaneously pledges spending cuts and deregulation. How exactly are these services supposed to function with less funding? It’s usually marginalized communities that bear the brunt when public services get squeezed.
Weak on Climate Commitments
Environmental policies in the platform are lackluster. There’s a lot of talk about “market-based solutions,” but no strong commitments that would actually move the needle on climate change. In an era where bold action is required, this feels like window dressing—just enough to say something without doing much.
Pandering to Simplicity
This is the part that’s hard to ignore: the entire platform seems to assume that voters either won’t—or can’t—grasp the complexity of these issues. They strip everything down to easy slogans and black-and-white answers, counting on the fact that not everyone will look deeper or ask the hard questions. It’s a deliberate strategy to pander to the lowest common denominator, playing on emotions instead of facts.

We deserve better. We deserve policies that are realistic, transparent, and honest about the challenges we face. Simplifying complex issues might win votes in the short term, but it doesn’t solve anything.

Curious to hear where others stand. Are there parts of the platform that actually hold up? Or is it all just smoke and mirrors?

Bfillmaff

kydder After digging into the Conservative platform, I can’t help but feel that it’s built more on catchy soundbites than on real, workable solutions. At its core

Hello, and welcome to our shitshow. I am sorry in advance. 🙂

I disagree with all 4 of your points.

Ultra short version cause Ted has already suggested I seek mental help.

1.Conservatives are better than Liberals at math, so you don't get to use math until they prove otherwise. Give them a chance.

Public Service Cuts is an extremely vague term used to shit on the conservatives for years. He has talked about cutting Consultants, cutting waste, and increasing productivity - NOT cutting services. And SOME services SHOULD be cut - however don't take that out of context.
Strengthening our economy, and exporting our clean energy to areas currently burning coal, will do more for the climate than taxing poor people for the crime of heating their homes. Canada is already super green, making this a very low priority either way.
Pandering to Simplicity is an unfortunate reality in the state of our politics. Believe some of the posts in this thread expose an inabilty for many people to take in nuance. So simple messages get prioritized. I'm actually with you that it's a bit annoying - I hate the slogan style talking, however, there is a lot more well articulated detail and passion on most of what he talks about if you listen outside of the political rally and clipped content. You do have to venture outside of CBC to find those ... which I'm starting to realize will remain impossible for the older demographic, no offense intended.

But... screw all that: :

Where was this scrutiny for the Liberal platform?
Are we giving them a pass for the last platform?
The one before it?
The one before that?

Ultimately, we need change. <-- Ha... slogan!

"Conservative Plan that Might not Work as Advertised"
or the
"Liberal Plan that Definitely did not Work as Advertised"

BRING IT HOME lol.

Bfillmaff

[unknown] Yes, statistics are your friend if you start at the point/year most convenient for your argument. But there is such a thing as the "bigger picture".

Ted posting this chart as a gotcha has to be the biggest self-own in this whole thread. Here is that exact same chart, with a couple of timestamps added for your reference. Bigger picture indeed, thanks for pointing that out.

(By the way... those dates were not cherry picked, because we are talking about the 10 year Liberal track record, a pretty specific window.

We understand that you think everything is fine. That's kind of the point. It's not. Younger people (and those who care about their children) simply disagree with you. And please spare us the victory lap if the Liberals win. It doesn't mean you are right, it means we are complacent.

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