I dont see the pirana poker lasting long if that is how they are going to treat people. Beside if i was going to play poker every night of the week I had best be winning some kind of money, not spending, money on food and booze to help the bar that this is held in. But if that is how these people want to go and play poker so be it. and i guess it works for them. But at least, be polite to new players and treat them with some respect..
Well Pirana's been around for 3+ years now and while I'm not a big fan and don't play anymore it's not because of lack of organization or impoliteness... That happens everywhere, buy-ins of all amounts... we can't compare this to our own locally hosted, rake free events with long blinds and great people. That is not the real world. And not to pick on you Aimee, I have great respect and fondness for yourself and Joe, but remember very few people are winning money consistantly, most are long term donators so these "free" bar tourneys are nothing more than fun events where if you enjoy them for what they are, an evenings entertainment, you can learn to play better and keep yourself on the plus side financially...
Awww... compuease thinks I'm out of this world. I'll take that as a compliment.
/g2
It is, and to Rob, and Trevor and Eric, and Brent as well, even though his is raked, it is still by far the best I have played in for under $300. We are very lucky to live in this geography.
I dont take any offence to what you have said Jeff..
It is just how I feel. and I understand that a person is not going to win always. But, on the other hand, as I did say if they want to spend most nights ina bar spending money on booze and food, and playing poker for nothing so be it. I really dont think those players get any better playing like that, but if they beleive that then so be it..
As to saying that are locally hosted events. (IF this is how I am reading this)
Are not real. ????? I would rather play any day of the week in these events, then going to a bar. Least I know I have to play good poker in order to get ahead and hopefully end up with a good finish. IN the parana thingie. a person can just turn around an d say oops i have to leave now and there chips are then takin off the table. That is not good poker. Any ways
I really dont want to get into this more lol... But, It was how I felt about it
and if they last longer good for them. But I really dont think they will get the real players out much.
I can almost bet the guy who won the sunday tourney, will not do well in the boot camp. or learn anything. As to were one of you guys (the rocks), or anyone who really knows poker would. I know any of us who played would have takin great pleasure in being able to learn from the pros.
All I'm saying Aimee, is don't be too hard on Pirana, they fill a need and I think do it fairly well with the time constraints they have to work with. As for our "locally" run low buyin tournies, (Rob, Trevor, Greg, Eric, etc), I'm certainly not putting them down. It's just that the structures, ie blind levels, times, etc we play in these are so much better than we would get anywhere else at these costs that we tend to think all structures should be this good. I've played lot's of casino tournies, typically $100. or so buy-ins that have nowhere near the play we are used to here locally.
As for your comment on whether or not you can improve playing the free bar tournies, I think you can, minefields are minefields, ya gotta learn how to deal with em. There may be more mines in the bar tournaments but believe me there are mines everywhere, even in the WSOP I'm sure. (mines = donkeys or whatever your term of preference is).
I was not sure what you ment by the comment not the real world.. I understand now.
I do agree with you on this. I still think that no matter where you play, and who you play with, can become a block. Meaning, that if you restrict your playing of any sport or event to only one place, you can out grown that. In keeping things changing is usually how we grow in a sport or poker or whatever it is you like to do. Specially I think in the bar poker playing, only because it brings out the same people every day or week, and few new players. That is one of the reasons why, I do not play in the local bars here anymore, I just find the competion not very good. I do agree with you on playing with those different types of players helps one to learn how to deal with that kind of player or players. But at the same time it becomes same old same old, and I find you start to pick up some bad habits.
All I was trying to say is if the parana's want to expand, there field of players they should welcome new ones a little better then what we were. For one when we all played in the olympics (however you spell that right) there was some pretty pissed people that, we as new comers won.. For the ones who have played with us previous to that , they were nice and talked to us like humans. I was just surprised at the amount of feed back on the you only played one game to make it here attitude.. for this weedends tourney..
I like to play at any event in KW, even if we have all played before together many times. I like to play at the casinos around here as well. Online poker too of course. I t makes for interesting, and learning great. I guess if I would have looked at it all this way I would not be typing any of th is ..
As for your comment on whether or not you can improve playing the free bar tournies, I think you can, minefields are minefields, ya gotta learn how to deal with em. There may be more mines in the bar tournaments but believe me there are mines everywhere, even in the WSOP I'm sure.
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very few people are winning money consistantly, most are long term donators so these "free" bar tourneys are nothing more than fun events where if you enjoy them for what they are, an evenings entertainment, you can learn to play better and keep yourself on the plus side financially
I couldn't agree more with compuease. The freeroll bar tours provides you with live poker experience without risking your bankroll. The GTA Piranas have proven at the Royal Cups that a lot of live experience can help you make money against great players, even at different games like Omaha and Stud.
The "long term donators" would lose so much less money if they first learned how to play poker properly in bar tours. If I had not first played with the Milton Rocks and other bar tour players before making the leap to West Side Poker Club and other real money games, I would have been one of those bankrupt donators instead of a winning player now.
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Well Pirana's been around for 3+ years now and while I'm not a big fan and don't play anymore it's not because of lack of organization or impoliteness... That happens everywhere, buy-ins of all amounts... we can't compare this to our own locally hosted, rake free events with long blinds and great people. That is not the real world. And not to pick on you Aimee, I have great respect and fondness for yourself and Joe, but remember very few people are winning money consistantly, most are long term donators so these "free" bar tourneys are nothing more than fun events where if you enjoy them for what they are, an evenings entertainment, you can learn to play better and keep yourself on the plus side financially...
/g2
It is just how I feel. and I understand that a person is not going to win always. But, on the other hand, as I did say if they want to spend most nights ina bar spending money on booze and food, and playing poker for nothing so be it. I really dont think those players get any better playing like that, but if they beleive that then so be it..
As to saying that are locally hosted events. (IF this is how I am reading this)
Are not real. ????? I would rather play any day of the week in these events, then going to a bar. Least I know I have to play good poker in order to get ahead and hopefully end up with a good finish. IN the parana thingie. a person can just turn around an d say oops i have to leave now and there chips are then takin off the table. That is not good poker. Any ways
I really dont want to get into this more lol... But, It was how I felt about it
and if they last longer good for them. But I really dont think they will get the real players out much.
I can almost bet the guy who won the sunday tourney, will not do well in the boot camp. or learn anything. As to were one of you guys (the rocks), or anyone who really knows poker would. I know any of us who played would have takin great pleasure in being able to learn from the pros.
But Good luck to the winner..
As for your comment on whether or not you can improve playing the free bar tournies, I think you can, minefields are minefields, ya gotta learn how to deal with em. There may be more mines in the bar tournaments but believe me there are mines everywhere, even in the WSOP I'm sure. (mines = donkeys or whatever your term of preference is).
I was not sure what you ment by the comment not the real world.. I understand now.
I do agree with you on this. I still think that no matter where you play, and who you play with, can become a block. Meaning, that if you restrict your playing of any sport or event to only one place, you can out grown that. In keeping things changing is usually how we grow in a sport or poker or whatever it is you like to do. Specially I think in the bar poker playing, only because it brings out the same people every day or week, and few new players. That is one of the reasons why, I do not play in the local bars here anymore, I just find the competion not very good. I do agree with you on playing with those different types of players helps one to learn how to deal with that kind of player or players. But at the same time it becomes same old same old, and I find you start to pick up some bad habits.
All I was trying to say is if the parana's want to expand, there field of players they should welcome new ones a little better then what we were. For one when we all played in the olympics (however you spell that right) there was some pretty pissed people that, we as new comers won.. For the ones who have played with us previous to that , they were nice and talked to us like humans. I was just surprised at the amount of feed back on the you only played one game to make it here attitude.. for this weedends tourney..
I like to play at any event in KW, even if we have all played before together many times. I like to play at the casinos around here as well. Online poker too of course. I t makes for interesting, and learning great. I guess if I would have looked at it all this way I would not be typing any of th is ..
Lesson, learned...
I couldn't agree more with compuease. The freeroll bar tours provides you with live poker experience without risking your bankroll. The GTA Piranas have proven at the Royal Cups that a lot of live experience can help you make money against great players, even at different games like Omaha and Stud.
The "long term donators" would lose so much less money if they first learned how to play poker properly in bar tours. If I had not first played with the Milton Rocks and other bar tour players before making the leap to West Side Poker Club and other real money games, I would have been one of those bankrupt donators instead of a winning player now.