raising out of turn

s.chafe

this situation happened last night at my house game.

It was down to 3 players left.

I had J2. Flop came down KQ2.

Player 1 bet, I said raise, while I was counting my chips to put the raise out, Player 1 said "I'm all in".

anyone know the call on this??? Is he forced just to call my raise???? or can he reraise me after this?? or can i check it now...even though I decleared raise.


Problem is, I didnt want him to call my raise, but now that I know he has a big hand I'm looking to drop my pair of 2s.

what we decided on was that since I said raise, I would have to raise but he would be forced to call it. so I raised the minimum, he called, then he moved all in on the turn and I folded.

any ideas???

Unknown

This happened in a home game of mine once as well. We ruled that the player who declared raise would indeed be forced to raise, but as you had not yet declared the amount, any legally allowable raise would do. So I guess double the initial bet.

Either way, your opponent who announced all in is an ass, and needs to calm down, he probably cost himself some chips there.

Cheers

beanie42

s.chafe wrote:

what we decided on was that since I said raise, I would have to raise but he would be forced to call it.  so I raised the minimum, he called, then he moved all in on the turn and I folded.

You declared raise when then action was on you, so it's binding. His all-in call should be binding though, since the action in front of his out-of-turn declaration did not change (a raise is a raise, regardless of amount).  Your min-raise was the right move, but with a binding all-in, you would have immediately folded (I assume), and never seen the turn.

ChrisWinsor

Same thing they said. You have to raise, since you didnt say how much you make the min raise then fold.

BigChrisEl

Hearing most of the responses could you use this to Angle Shoot with the idea that your opponent will fold once you go all-in once he hears you saying all-in if you had a hand like A-J on that board?

g2

BigChrisEl wrote:

Hearing most of the responses could you use this to Angle Shoot with the idea that your opponent will fold once you go all-in once he hears you saying all-in if you had a hand like A-J on that board?

You definitely could... that's why if you do this more than once at one of my games you're out.

/g2

pkrfce9

and don't forget - you would be subject to constant hectoring on this board...

The Prophet 22

pkrfce9 wrote:

and don't forget - you would be subject to constant hectoring on this board...

LOL But true you are Greg!!!

Happened to me once and a whole thread was started about "What an angle shooter" I was, gotta hold back the enthusiasm a bit.

Prophet :2h :2s

ChrisWinsor

BigChrisEl wrote:

Hearing most of the responses could you use this to Angle Shoot with the idea that your opponent will fold once you go all-in once he hears you saying all-in if you had a hand like A-J on that board?

Ya, but thats no different from saying all in after he makes his bet... The opponent anounced raise, and is only oblidged to put in min. raise. Now he can throw away his bluff or call with the nuts... If the other guy said all in without his opponent doing anything at all... then ya he should be slapped across the bottom with a wooden paddle.

g2

ChrisWinsor wrote:

BigChrisEl wrote:

Hearing most of the responses could you use this to Angle Shoot with the idea that your opponent will fold once you go all-in once he hears you saying all-in if you had a hand like A-J on that board?

Ya, but thats no different from saying all in after he makes his bet... The opponent anounced raise, and is only oblidged to put in min. raise. Now he can throw away his bluff or call with the nuts... If the other guy said all in without his opponent doing anything at all... then ya he should be slapped across the bottom with a wooden paddle.

The action isn't on him, so he should not be announcing his play. That's why it is against the rules.

/g2

ChrisWinsor

True, technically it is, because the other player hasn't finished his action.

jpajamas

That'll learn ya to shut up an' wait yer turn!

TexLexus

I think you'd raise the minimum, then be up against an all-in re-raise.