Another limit poker topic!
Just wanted to put my 2 cents in on limit poker as im a regular at the gbh. I only play limit poker, u make way more money then Nl and also lose less money! All these undergrounds run NL and thats why you will never catch me in one, im basically just sayin if you wanna make alot of money and have skill play limit, its the true poker in my mind!
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Do you live near GBH
Paraphrased, limit poker is about a number of correct small decisions, and no-limit poker is about a few correct big decisions.
I find that the donks of the world are capable of making a few correct big decisions, but are incapable of making 100 consecutive correct small decisions. Of course, the real skill lies in being able to make the correct decisions ALL THE TIME IN ANY GAME, but that is practically unattainable.
I also find that limit poker is much easier to deal with psychologically on a consistant basis.
Limit requires different skills then NL, but so does Stud, Omaha, or other variations of poker. You also have the camp that thinks ring games is "real poker" while tournies aren't. Personally, I think that each form of poker requires a different set of skills, but to say that one is more skillful than another is silly. There is no "true poker", each person simply has games they prefer and/or are more skilled at, but that's based on the player, not the game.
It is pretty audacious to assert that Limit is the best version of poker, be it based on profit margins or skill.
Each game has its own unique attributes, and for that reason, its own experts.
Further, the individual games are as unique as the players and the combination of those players at the table at any given time.
To view poker in such a narrow paradigm is myopic.
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way and the only way, it does not exist.
I agree with GTA Poker that's it's much better psychologically. I can't count the number of times in NL where I spend days thinking about one hand.
I guess that is why I stick with limit cash games and tournies, but I do like playing NL tournies because a lot of skill you use to read people in limit is much easier to pick out in an NL game.
Fundamentally I agree with this statement. Having said that, I believe it can be used to argue the benefits of each game. It is true that "any donk" can make the correct big decision. However, will they make the correct big decision more often than the better player? Probably not.
To make 100 consecutive small correct decisions is inherently more difficult. But, will the poor player make 100 consecutive poor decisions? Or 50 consecutive? Or even 25 consecutive?
In NL if you are making more correct big decisions over a player, you realize greater gains. With Limit, it takes many small consecutive gains based on the other players consecutive errors or your consecutive correct decisions.
To add to this, I find that many Limit players' incorrect decisions become, if they knew all the information beforehand, correct decisions because of the pot odds they are given by the players who act behind them. Many players will make calls with incorrect odds into a small pot immediately following the original bettor - but when the next 4 players call behind it becomes a not-so-bad call.
Hence, those 100 small consecutive poor decisions, theoretically, become more difficult for a player to achieve, and therefore more difficult for you to capitalize.
In NL you can better control the size of the bet and you will still get donks calling with bad odds(which is exactly what you want), but, if fewer players "school" together to give correct odds - you are forcing more poor decisions, therefore making your play more profitable.
I will reiterate that I do not believe any single form of poker is better than another and each require a particular skill set that should be respected.
That part depends on the make up of the players. I will often call with close odds based on previous patterns. If 4 or 5 people will often go to a showdown, then certainly on the flop I will call expected 2 or 3 to tag along. Sometimes you get surprised and they fold behind you, or you get raised behind. If the table is passive calling stations then it's not to bad.
Same thing with an aggressive player behind you. I will not call with just the odds to call if I come to expect a raise from an aggressive player behind. Again you may get surprised and he just calls or *gasp* fold and your kicking yourself.
I think the real skill in poker is the ability to rationalize what they are going to do before you do your thing. In limit that separates the winners from the losers.
You can never have TOO many chasers...unless you hate money.
I don't know why clubs don't have limit poker. NL is over-rated. NL should only be used in Tourney's not cash games!
thats my 2 cents.
Just my two cents, I find I have gotten to vary my play more in my two limit sessions, possibly due to the lack of "fear" playing limit allows over no limit.
AK in the hole is just as good as 72
thats my 2 cents
Your Pot Equity is greater.
The Law of Total Probability is a law, just like gravity, and you cant negotiate with gravity
In the long run luck evens out ~ so give me the AK.
Only if you believe in the "any two cards CAN win" theory.
Sure 7 2 may win every time you see it played in a limit session, but it's absolute nonesene to believe it has the same value as AK.
After Hand selection , Table selection is one of the most important elements to success. Finding a table with alot of action or players that are willing to pay you off when they hold middle pair can be a huge determining factor in winning or losing.
I was at a crazy table last night and two players actually left because they either didn't like the action or because they beleived "I can't win at this table if I don't hit". After seeing these cannons win pot after pot with ridiculous cards, it frustrates people. I didnt leave the table till the action players busted or left, why miss an opportunity to profit?
LOL Depends what I'm chasing..... and how big the pot is. I've had guys get mad at me because there's $44 in the pot and I"ve got a gutshot with 1 overcard and it's $4 to me. Of course I'm going to call. I'm stupid and I'm a chaser. If it's $30 in the pot and the same $4 I don't call or if the $44 pot requires $8. If your getting 10-1 or better you almost have the odds to chase anything.
Sure, provided that single card is going to give you a winner.
However drawing to something weak like 2 pair with 92o on a board of QJT9 is pretty bad since your "outs" are so dirty (you're likely dead already).
A gutshot to the nuts on the other hand getting 10-1 is a trivial call.
And yes, your equity with AK vs 72 is obviously bigger. There's a reason you happily cap that against 9 other morons...
I asked what limit you play, to see what the 5-10 game is like. Is it a profitable game, alot of regulars, what time is the best to play etc. Not enough $$ yet to play 10-20.
Any details would be helpful, thanks kidpoker.
Ill post when i head there for my first session.