MULTI-TABLE TOURNAMENT DECISION

Otto_Troy

150K Freezeout-$200 Buy-In.

Your Chip Stack 4,000
Opponents Chip Stack 3,500
Average Stack 3,500

800 Entries/450 remain....Far Away from the money

Opponent raises an unopened pot 3BB from the cut-off.

You hold two black 8's on the button and call.

Flop comes 6-6-2 with two hearts.

Opponent leads out for a little more than half-sized pot bet.

You raise.......Opponent thinks and re-raises all in.

Don't remember exact numbers, but pot is about 2000 and you have 2000 left.  If you call and lose, you will be down to 500....If you win...you will be a fairly large stack.

What do you do?

What does opponent have?

Answer to follow.

compuease

I think this is VERY read dependant, most likely it is a big Ace or an over pair. Hard to put him on a 6 with the preflop raise. Has he done this before, etc?  Do  you want to play for all (most) of your chips at this point? When I call a raise with a mid pair in a situation like this, I'm looking to flop a set in a multiway pot or I'm out, what were your intentions preflop? Always have a plan on what you are going to do post flop depending on texture, then trust your reads/plan......

SirWatts

I don't really like the flop raise but I guess it's not bad, but anyways your hand here is pretty transparent. It'd be a nice spot for your opponent to bluff with like AK because he knows what you have and he knows you probably can't call. However, most people aren't that clever/crazy, it's far more likely that he just has a big pair and calling off your stack here with 88 is pretty awful without a good read. So just fold.

g2

Otto_Troy wrote:

Opponent leads out for a little more than half-sized pot bet.

You raise.......

You raised to find out where you're at...

Otto_Troy wrote:

Opponent thinks and re-raises all in.

You find out where you're at... so... if it were me, I would use the information I paid for and fold.

/g2

ElElliott

g2 wrote:

You raised to find out where you're at...

Otto_Troy wrote:

Opponent thinks and re-raises all in.

You find out where you're at... so... if it were me, I would use the information I paid for and fold.

/g2

This is such a good point, and I loce the way you put it "use the information you paid for". So many times I've ignored the info I've paid for....and lost because of it.

g2

ElElliott wrote:

This is such a good point, and I loce the way you put it "use the information you paid for". So many times I've ignored the info I've paid for....and lost because of it.

Yeah, I try to really pound this into my head because I have also lost countless times due to making the same mistake.

/g2

Otto_Troy

Is there anyone who would have made the call? Is it crazy?

beanie42

Otto_Troy wrote:

Is there anyone who would have made the call? Is it crazy?

A little crazy.  Being the aggressor with it might be a bit too strong, but far more acceptable.  Calling off your chips would take a great read that he's overplaying a hand like AK with no hearts, and it sounds like you are in the dark on what he has. 

Personally, I'd like more details on the actual blinds/bettings.  If you got into a decision this close, your stack relative to the blinds may have made this hand unplayable preflop to a raise (since you're not deep enough, and small/middle pairs generally need to improve to a set to be good).

Otto_Troy

I am leaving the office soon, so I guess I should tell THE REST OF THE STORY (you guys get Andy Rooney in Canada).

In my original post.  I was the Opponent......not the person with 8-8.  I wanted to see from the other perspective the pressure I put on my opponents.  By the looks of it, my play would have worked against most people who commented.  Unfortunately for me, my opponent was not named G2 or Sir Watts (by the way, I don't disagree with your points).

Anyways.....I had Q-8 of hearts from the cutoff in an unopned pot.  I believe I had a rather normal/tight table image as I had only shown down quality hands.  I won't repost the hand, but I thought that if I re-raised I would be representing a large overpair and the player would fold or if he did call I would have a lot of outs.

He called and his 8's held up and I was sent packing.  Did I overplay my hand? Sure, but I did put the tough decision on my opponent and I can live with that.   


Troy

ps. Beanie I apologize but I don't recall the blinds. Neither of us were big stacks, but we both had plenty of chips to play with and I don't fault the player for calling and trying to flop a set....he had plenty of wiggle room to do that.

g2

Great post. It's my opinion that you played the hand well (for what you meant to do) and your opponent (the guy with pocket eights) made the mistake(s). All you can do from this is make him your friend and note that he won't lay down an overpair and hopefully you can stack him sometime in the near future.

/g2

beanie42

Great post, and interesting to look at it from the other side.

Otto_Troy wrote:

Did I overplay my hand?

I don't think so, and you were close to having 2 overs - you sensed weakness and attacked. Probably the only thing you could do different is figure out which opponents are too weak to fold, and wait for a stronger hand.

Nice hand.

SirWatts

Yeah 3-betting the flop all-in seems pretty standard here. People on Paradise suck though so he called of course . I missed that the original raise was from the cutoff. That makes the call with 88 a little less terrible but still pretty bad.