Do you keep betting 1/2 Limit (Tribeca) with lots of callers

AcidJoe

Here is the hand history. It's one of those where I felt I was going to get run down no matter what I did. Do you keep betting or just give up. I hate to give players free draws at me. It's Tribeca so I know they are very loose (CNE loose from what I"m hearing). With a flop of 2 spades and 3 straightening cards how do you play it?

: Hand Start.
: Seat 1 : JQuam has $14.50
: Seat 2 : P J THE DJ has $71.25
: Seat 3 : TheZid has $104.50
: Seat 4 : zozek has $22
: Seat 5 : lollyman has $15
: Seat 6 : KaiWu has $85
: Seat 7 : Crawford999 has $15.64
: Seat 8 : xGandhi has $50.44
: Seat 9 : Acidjoe has $77.50
: KaiWu is the dealer.
: Crawford999 posted small blind.
: xGandhi posted big blind.
: Game [6893] started with 9 players.
: Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 9 : Acidjoe has Ks Kd
: Acidjoe called $1 and raised $1
: JQuam folded.
: P J THE DJ called $2
: TheZid folded.
: zozek called $2
: lollyman folded.
: KaiWu called $2
: Crawford999 folded.
: xGandhi called $1
: Dealing flop. 3 players cold called 2 and the BB called the raise not good.
: Board cards [5s 8s 7h]
: xGandhi checked.
: Acidjoe bet $1
: P J THE DJ called $1
: zozek called $1
: KaiWu called $1
: xGandhi called $1
: Dealing turn.
: Board cards [5s 8s 7h Kc] <--- Hit my set
: xGandhi checked.
: Acidjoe bet $2
: P J THE DJ called $2
: zozek called $2
: KaiWu folded.
: xGandhi called $2
: Dealing river.
: Board cards [5s 8s 7h Kc 9h] <

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4 to a straight on the board.
: xGandhi checked.
: Acidjoe bet $2 <

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do you bet here?
: P J THE DJ called $2
: zozek folded.
: xGandhi called $2 and raised $2
: Acidjoe called $2 <

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I know I"m beat but have to call
: P J THE DJ called $2
: Showdown!
: Seat 9 : Acidjoe63 has Ks Kd
: Seat 8 : xGandhi has 2d 6d
: xGandhi has Straight 98765
: Seat 2 : P J THE DJ has Jd Jh
: P J THE DJ has Pair: Jacks
: xGandhi wins $34.50 with Straight 98765
: Hand is over.

DrTyore

Hey Joe

Yea... I bet there, and call there, and call the guy a f*#king moron in my head.

Same thing (moron keeps calling) happened to me last night, I have AQ, raise from the button, BB re-raises, I call.

FLOP AK7rainbow

I bet, he calls

TURN: 4

I bet he calls

RIVER: J

I bet, he raises, I call

I show AQ, he shows JJ!

Mark

Velvet Alley

Ya, I'd bet too, as well I'd call the raise crossing my fingers that he made trips or 2 pair, but knowing the enevitable. the thing is with loose players they'll call and raise to the river with minimal hands, you just got shafted by some poor players dumb luck.

AcidJoe

I'm not complaining about the beat. I shook my head at it, but in limit with a $10 pot pre flop he's not going anywhere. I probably wouldn't either. As the betting leader I was wondering if anyone else slows down or just keeps firing like I did. This wasn't meant to be a bad beat post, but a discussion on were to slow down if at all.

MainEvent

Hey Joe,

I would actually check. I saw that in a low-limit game like that, like you said nobody is going to fold when they have a straight possibility. Now, if it comes back as only a 2$ bet, I would call but if you see a bet and a raise, you can probably see that somebody has a straight. But I think everything from the pre-folp to the turn I would have done the same as you, maybe just a little different on the river.

That still blows tho, raised prefolp and called with 2-6, make sure he plays some more with you

MainEvent

AcidJoe

I wasn't sure if I check call was the best option. I wanted to hear from others. When the card flopped I was more than not happy. Being the limit it was I didn't give up the betting lead, but was sure someone had an A6s or some other crap, the 6 2 suited did surprise me tho.

SirWatts

Just check and call one bet. Someone almost certainly has the straight.

AcidJoe

I guess today is bonuswhoring gone completely wrong.  After being continuously run down all day, I ended up with about a $200.00 loss while chasing a $300.00 bonus.  Oh well, get it back tomorrow.  Fortunately I was up but was waiting for the sky to fall as I was running about 9 BB./100 as a win rate.  Now it's down to a respectable 2bb/100. 

Watts:  Thanks for the input I knew in my heart someone had the straight, I guess I gotta look past what I want and realize the actual situation.  But I see so many bad players on tribeca, where I have AK on a 4 flush board with k high and these guys are raising with KJo no diamond. I guess at this point it's just better to check call than assume they are all idiots.

moose

Gandhi is getting 9:1 on his call. Of course he calls.

Check the river 3 way. Bet 2 way. You were 4 way.

James

xgandhi played his hand correctly.

moose

Gandhi played his hand like a typical low limit donk.

AcidJoe

moose wrote:

Gandhi played his hand like a typical low limit donk.

Of course he did. I am at turning stone and the same donks just play for more money. I'm watching guys chasing gutshots capped on the flop where they actually 3 bet cold. Amazing.

ChrisWinsor

Check call, it's 1/2 limit, these people all any draw so that probably filled someone's straight

Meistro

This hand is played perfectly on all streets. You are losing out on a ton of value by not betting the river, esp. 4 way. Remember bet calling only costs you $4, despite the illusion that it costs you the whole pot. You are only beat by a straight and almost any pair is calling you in this game.

Played perfectly. Next time try not to get rivered :P

AcidJoe

I try not to get rivered but it happens. Like I said I'm not complaining, I like playing these guys. You win some and lose some. I was looking for other people's opinions on whether to check call bet call bet raise etc. The input has given me some additional ammo I might use to mix my game. Tho next time I probably check call I still think betting out isn't that bad.

The Goose

Funny enough I have a hand that runs pretty similar to this one that I wanted to get feedback on; so instead of starting a new thread I will just continue this one (and no this is not a bad beat post -- variance (shit) happens)...

3/6 limit on Stars: I get QQ in MP, raise, LP 3-bets, all fold and I cap it. -- Read on LP was LAG - had shown down winning hands on really bad draws and was donking away lots of money.  :fish:

Flop: 3 5 8 rainbow ( ): I bet, he raises, I 3-bet, he calls. -- the call signalled no KK, AA, Set or 2P - I know I am good.

Turn: J (Again  ): I bet, he calls - again I am still ahead.

River: A ( ): Question: do I bet or check-call? There was a good chance he was playing A3 A5 A8 or even AJ. Of course we know I bet, he raised, I call and he flips AQ for no draw with one over.   :'(


The good news!!!

Two hands later I cap his 3-bet pre-flop with 4 players in with AA: cards come A33KJ and make an absurd amount of money against his K3 and the BB's runner runner st8! Good bless the  :fish:

James

moose wrote:

Gandhi played his hand like a typical low limit donk.

No he Didn't.
Let's Disect his hand street by street.

1.Preflop
Gandi is in BB.
Dealt 2d-6d
There is $9.5 in the pot and Gandi's call will close the action while getting 9.5/1 odds.
Verdict. Correct.

2.Flop Play.
Flop 5s-8s-7h
This gives Gandi an Openended StraightDraw.
Gandi checks. no need isolate here, He wants as many players in as possible .
Verdict. Correct.

3. Still Flop Play.
Flop 5s-8s-7h
Total $13.5 in Pot when it is Gandi's turn to again call and close the action.
He's getting pot odds of 13.5/1 here.
(This is well within his range to hit 6 of his straight cards (not counting the 2 straight cards that will bring a flush).
(We will assume the flush will play)
So Gandi calls.
Verdict. Correct.

4. Turn Play.
Board Reads 5s-8s-7h-Kc
Gandi Checks. Again no reason to allow the aggressor (acidjoe) to reraise and thin the field.
Verdict. Correct.

5. Turn Play
Pot Contains $20.50
It is $2 for Gandi to call.
This gives him pot odds of 10.25/1 (for simplicity's sake 10/1)
Again only accounting for the 6 "good" straight cards still leaves Gandi WELL WITHIN his range to call.
Verdict. Correct.

6. River Play.
Board Reads
5s-8s-7h-Kc-9h
Gandi Hits his straight for the correct price.
Gandi Checks.
Normally I think this is an incorrect play, but we do have 4 players at this river and it looks like AcidJoe will bet it giving the opportunity to reraise.
Verdict. Debateable, but leaning towards correct.

7.River Play
Board Reads
5s-8s-7h-Kc-9h
With $26.50 in the pot Gandi is free to reraise, and both players are forced to call down.
Verdict. Correct.

For all of those calling this a donkey play. Please explain why?
Remember this is limit Poker, and as long as a player is within his odds to call, a fold is a mistake.

moose

Because he check/called (no problems there) all the way down and when he finally made his hand he went for the donk check raise. Sorry Joe but 4 handed on the river, only the straight bets here.