Bad Beat that maybe I should have played differently

Spicol

I couldn't have avoided losing this hand, obviously, but was it not correct to cap the turn?

Game #1619820906 - $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - 2006/07/30-11:26:41.6
(CST)
Table "Makemo" (real money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: txbuckeye200 ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Spicol ($18.00 in chips)
Seat 3: deereboy4440 ($20.75 in chips)
Seat 4: mzseattle ($21.00 in chips)
Seat 5: FoldNFlop ($8.00 in chips)
Seat 6: cardbender ($33.25 in chips)
Seat 7: MrGoUp ($65.00 in chips)
Seat 8: Michael McD ($47.25 in chips)
Seat 9: TreyK5150 ($48.00 in chips)
Seat 10: nastynacho ($21.00 in chips)
cardbender: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
MrGoUp : Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to Spicol [ 4s ]
Dealt to Spicol [ 4h ]
Michael McD: Fold
TreyK5150: Fold
nastynacho: Call ($0.50)
txbuckeye200: Call ($0.50)
Spicol : Call ($0.50)
deereboy4440: Fold
mzseattle: Fold
FoldNFlop: Call ($0.50)
cardbender: Call ($0.25)
MrGoUp : Raise ($0.50)
nastynacho: Call ($0.50)
txbuckeye200: Call ($0.50)
Spicol : Call ($0.50)
FoldNFlop: Call ($0.50)
cardbender: Call ($0.50)
*** FLOP *** : [ 4c Ah 5d ]
cardbender: Check
MrGoUp : Bet ($0.50)
nastynacho: Raise ($1)
txbuckeye200: Fold
Spicol : Raise ($1.50)
FoldNFlop: Fold
cardbender: Fold
MrGoUp : Fold
nastynacho: Call ($0.50)
*** TURN *** : [ 4c Ah 5d ] [ Ac ]
nastynacho: Bet ($1)
Spicol : Raise ($2)
nastynacho: Raise ($2)
Spicol : Raise ($2)
nastynacho: Call ($1)
*** RIVER *** : [ 4c Ah 5d Ac ] [ As ]
nastynacho: Bet ($1)
Spicol : Call ($1)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $18.75 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ 4c Ah 5d Ac As ]
txbuckeye200 lost $1 (folded)
Spicol lost $7.50 [ 4s 4h ] (a full house, aces full of fours)
deereboy4440 didn't bet (folded)
mzseattle didn't bet (folded)
FoldNFlop lost $1 (folded)
cardbender lost $1 (folded)
MrGoUp lost $1.50 (folded)
Michael McD didn't bet (folded)
TreyK5150 didn't bet (folded)
nastynacho bet $7.50, collected $18.75, net +$11.25 (showed hand) [ Qc
Ad ] (four of a kind, aces)

ScoobyD

Well played.

VladK

I got one..just happened 30 minutes ago or so....

PokerStars Game #5760518786: Tournament #28909884, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit -
Level II (15/30) - 2006/08/01 - 15:24:48 (ET)
Table '28909884 9' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: HeadCrack!!! (3135 in chips)
Seat 2: London (1655 in chips)
Seat 3: TheCoalman (2460 in chips)
Seat 4: Iceberg Ike (2865 in chips)
Seat 5: chadmeister9 (1875 in chips)
Seat 6: meanbark (1305 in chips)
Seat 7: BernieV (1320 in chips)
Seat 8: VladK (2665 in chips)
Seat 9: EL__Z0RR0 (725 in chips)
HeadCrack!!!: posts small blind 15
London: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to VladK [Ts Tc]
TheCoalman: calls 30
Iceberg Ike: folds
chadmeister9: folds
meanbark: folds
BernieV: folds
VladK: raises 60 to 90
EL__Z0RR0: folds
HeadCrack!!!: folds
London: folds
TheCoalman: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2d 2c 6h]
TheCoalman: bets 120
VladK: raises 120 to 240
TheCoalman: raises 2130 to 2370 and is all-in
VladK: calls 2130
*** TURN *** [2d 2c 6h] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [2d 2c 6h 2s] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheCoalman: shows [2h 4h] (four of a kind, Deuces)
VladK: shows [Ts Tc] (a full house, Deuces full of Tens)



I dont know...i put him on a low pocket pair or A/6. Maybe should have played it differently, raise more or just fold after he went all in?

g2

Spicol, tough one... but 9 times out of 10 you're raking in this pot.

VladK wrote:

I dont know...i put him on a low pocket pair or A/6. Maybe should have played it differently, raise more or just fold after he went all in?

Vlad, definitely call that flop re-raise all in for 3x the pot, there's no way he could have a 2! <-- this is me not tapping the glass

/g2

ChrisWinsor

Min raise is horrible, i suggest never making it. Had you raised say 3 or 4 times that on the flop, it might have helped you make the fold, but man what a bad playing your opponent made... He made a bad call, and was only getting payed on that push if you had A6, or Pocket pair higher than 6...

Spicol

VladK wrote:

I got one..just happened 30 minutes ago or so....

You mean you've got a bad beat? You were only 80% to win pre-flop and were never ahead after. He played like an idiot, and it sucks to pay off an idiot, but that's not so bad a beat.

Calling the AI when you 1) are this early in the tournament, 2) have a very comfortable M and Q and 3) don't have even close to the nuts is way too much gambling. On the flop, he could have had pocket 2s or 6s or two overcards. Any of those somewhat reasonably merit the original limp and call. The 540 chips in the pot shouldn't have been worth that much to you. Retreat and regroup for a time when you can put up a stronger fight.

morty

g2 wrote:

Spicol, tough one... but 9 times out of 10 you're raking in this pot.

/g2

bad guy had 7 outs on the turn (3*Q, 3*5, 1*A), so 5.3 times out of 6.3.

Excellent reason to cap it though.

Sorry I'm such a pedant.

adammc

haha he "min raised" because it is limit, pay attention.

there is nothing you did wrong and cap it on every street, especially since it is such low stakes, any ace is getting 4 bets in on the flop turn and river and there's nothing you can do about it but suck it up, you win this hand more times than not.

Spicol

Thanks. I posted it because it's similar to a situation I often run in to. I get a great hand, but not the nuts. I want to build the pot but in doing so, give my opponents unbelievable odds to call with just about anything. I then get burned when someone draws to the nuts. But, like everyone has said, I'm sure that I win this situation 9 times (or 8.4 times for g2 ) out of 10 so in the long run, I guess I make a net profit.

Also, re: the min raise, I'm pretty sure Chris was talking about Vlad's hand.

adammc

did not notice another hh my bad

VladK

Spicol wrote:

VladK wrote:

I got one..just happened 30 minutes ago or so....

You mean you've got a bad beat? You were only 80% to win pre-flop and were never ahead after. He played like an idiot, and it sucks to pay off an idiot, but that's not so bad a beat.

Calling the AI when you 1) are this early in the tournament, 2) have a very comfortable M and Q and 3) don't have even close to the nuts is way too much gambling. On the flop, he could have had pocket 2s or 6s or two overcards. Any of those somewhat reasonably merit the original limp and call. The 540 chips in the pot shouldn't have been worth that much to you. Retreat and regroup for a time when you can put up a stronger fight.

yup..my thoughts exactly after that hand. A hand before that I folded pocket jacks...when Jacks were an overpair to the baord. Porbably should have folded.