Ruling?
Live 1/2 NL home game but Player A & Player B don't know one another. Player A has a huge stack, half his stack is directly in front of him, half is about 9 inches next to him (where no one is sitting).
Played to the river when:
Player B says "I put you all-in"
Player A says "I call" instantly
Player A shows full house & wins
It all happened very quickly so the dealer had no time to announce the amount of Player B's all-in bet
Player A has Player B covered
As the dealer is trying to award all of player B's chips,
Player B says "wait a minute, where did all those chips come from (referring to player A's 2nd stack)
Player B says "when I put you all-in, I didn't see those chips. I thought you only had about X dollars left"
Player B says "it's late, I made a mistake but your chips should all be in front of you. I'm not going to give all my chips."
The host did not want to make a ruling because Player A is related to him, & he did not know Player B well (ie fairness)
What should the ruling have been, & should the host rule regardless. I will post what happened after some feedback. Â
Played to the river when:
Player B says "I put you all-in"
Player A says "I call" instantly
Player A shows full house & wins
It all happened very quickly so the dealer had no time to announce the amount of Player B's all-in bet
Player A has Player B covered
As the dealer is trying to award all of player B's chips,
Player B says "wait a minute, where did all those chips come from (referring to player A's 2nd stack)
Player B says "when I put you all-in, I didn't see those chips. I thought you only had about X dollars left"
Player B says "it's late, I made a mistake but your chips should all be in front of you. I'm not going to give all my chips."
The host did not want to make a ruling because Player A is related to him, & he did not know Player B well (ie fairness)
What should the ruling have been, & should the host rule regardless. I will post what happened after some feedback. Â
Comments
Tough break, but Player B did say 'put you all in', that's verbal intent, and he losses.
Player A should be warned to have all his chips in front of him and NOT separate his stack so that all players can see what he has IN FRONT.
That's what happens when you don't bet/raise with your own chips.
i.e. "I'm all in" or "All in"
Just ask BusDriver. He asks EVERY SINGLE HAND!
Player B wanted to only cover the half stack directly in front of Player A, & not the other half stack (50% of Player A's overall stack). In the end, Player A agreed to allow Player B to only have to cover 75% of his stack (the half stack directly in front of him, + half of the other half stack next to him).
A lot of the players felt Player B should have to cover the entire stack but didn't want Player B to feel unwelcome (he was new to this home game). After the compromise, Player B still insisted he was right.
Everyone at the table knew Player A had a huge stack, as he'd been taking down many pots, Player B said he didn't know because he was tired (it was late).
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At work, I have announced players as all in when they were in a heads up pot, clearly had the opponent covered in chips and stated "I put you all in". Many times the players have argued. They always lose the argument.
OUT
I hate when people say that. Ask for a count of the persons chips and then bet that amount or say all-in, don't say "I'll put you all-in" because you can't.
Also when people get cracked after saying "I'll put you all-in" I have very little sympathy, because they say "I'll put you all-in" is no more then a bullying act.
I understand your point, Chris, but if you have the chips, bullying is part of the game too. I really don't mind too much when someone says 'put you all in'. To me it's just another all in statement. I do agree though that the politically correct method is to ask for a count, then raise that amount...or just raise all in anyway.
My point is you can never put any one all-in because the person you are betting against has the descision to either call or fold.
Although usually when I ask I get the smart ass response of “More then you†which I reply with “just count them pleaseâ€
Worth more than your wardrobe lately, you can be sure of that!
I'm in total agreement with you guys. Ask for a chip count, THEN make your play. Joe made some excellent points, how many times have you changed your mind about making a bet upon learning the EXACT amount of your opponents chips?
Maybe...depends on how far away the chips were from him, however unless the player just sat down at the table he should have known (and seen) the player using the chips that were beside him.