Bizare Bounty Hand

beanie42

A really bizarre hand occurred during Easy's party at Bristol last night that I thought would generate some interesting discussion.  The bounty for knocking Easy out was higher than 2nd place (4 got paid), and there were 6 remaining.

Blinds 600/1200(200) - avg stack is around 18k

UTG folds.
Easy moves all-in for 9400.
CO folds.
Button calls all-in immediately for 4800.
SB thinks for a while and finally calls, leaving 400 back.
BB has everyone covered (by quite a bit), and raises SB all-in (who obviously calls).

Easy shows :5c :5s
Button shows :ac :5d
BB shows :ah :qh
BB shows :9s :6c
(I think I have the suits right, although they don't really matter here)

Personally, I think everyone played it correctly, considering the stack sizes relative to the blinds and the large bounty.  Easy was second-shortest stack with a pair and pushed.  Button has an A with an M of 1.5 .  SB has relatively strong hand.  BB is the most interesting, since he had garbage.  However, considering (1)his large chip stack, (2)Easy and the button were short-stacked so don't need monsters to push, (3)the amount of time taken to call by the SB (which shows a strong but not monster hand, IMO), and (4)the likelihood of 2 live cards, I think the BB call is a great one.

pkrfce9

I'd say button made a mistake since he can't eliminate Easy, only weaken her. He's giving others odds to call and he's at best a 60% favourite over anyone willing to call, more likely a significant underdog.

Not a big fan of Easy's move either since she's in EP and a number of players will be tempted to call for the bounty with any kind of decent hand. As it is, she'd be racing with most callers. On the other hand, she's got to move sometime. I'm just not sure this is the best opportunity for her.

Related question: Assuming Easy is eliminated, who gets the bounty? (You've got something like 3 pots going there. Which one has her bounty? I would assume the last one she is in but I could be convinced otherwise...)

DrTyore

pkrfce9 wrote:

I'd say button made a mistake since he can't eliminate Easy, only weaken her. He's giving others odds to call and he's at best a 60% favourite over anyone willing to call, more likely a significant underdog.

Not a big fan of Easy's move either since she's in EP and a number of players will be tempted to call for the bounty with any kind of decent hand. As it is, she'd be racing with most callers. On the other hand, she's got to move sometime. I'm just not sure this is the best opportunity for her.

Related question: Assuming Easy is eliminated, who gets the bounty? (You've got something like 3 pots going there. Which one has her bounty? I would assume the last one she is in but I could be convinced otherwise...)

Considering

A: The button could not eliminate easy
B: Easy does not win the pot
then the bounty would then go to either the AQ or 96, whomever wins between those two

Assuming

A: the button wins on a board of 234 (therefore, Easy is unable to beat / tie him)
and
B: Easy does not win the side pot

The bounty would then go to whomever won betwee the AQ and 96 - The button only cripples easy

Third case scenario:
Board "chops" the pot between two players - say the board ends up 8888K, then the button (A5) and SB (AQ) chop the pot, but the bounty again goes to AQ because he's the only one that can take easy out (and therefore also win the side pot)

Mark

Flint Bones

I agree that the button move was poor. With two people left to act and the large bounty and not having anyone covered, I don't get it. I assume SB had the AQ as the OP has two BB. I like the AQ move.

I am confused by Mark's post.

ScottyZ

IMO, the button call is very poor.

The BB's decision is probably fairly close with such a ranky hand. I still lean towards liking the BB's call (techincally, the raise by $400). Make it 96s instead and the call becomes pretty easy.

The only error the SB makes is thinking for a while. In fact, I'm only half-joking. I think that the SB is better off moving all-in like lightning to telegraph that he/she has a real hand to the BB.

If Easy is eliminated in this hand, the bounty should be awarded to the winner of side pot #1.

That means that the bounty should go to whichever of the SB or the BB either wins (or splits) the hand, or has the 2nd best hand after the button's hand. If the SB and BB happen to split the pot, the bounty should be split. It is impossible for the button to win any part of the bounty during this hand.

For example, on a board of 2348Q, the bounty goes to the SB holding AQ (and winning side pot #1) even though the main pot goes to the button.

ScottyZ

Shtebs

You forgot too mention the excitement of Mike (BB) hitting his 6 on the flop to take the lead, Gow (SB) hittin his Q on the turn to take the lead and Mike rivering his set of sixes. Wheeewwww!!! what a hand. AND.... Rob (who was shortest stack heading into the hand) and I (who was 2nd largest stack) backing into the money.
That was easily the craziest hand of the many wild hands we had that night. Along with my rivering a straight on SirWatts flopped 2 pair and Gow's runner runner straight to crack Tom's pocket Aces this was much excitement and heartbreak.

beanie42

I was the donkey on the button .  The table had gotten tight in the last few orbits, and most pots had been won uncontested with a raise.  I thought Amanda had a low/middle pair, so I thought my ace was live, and I only had a half-dozen hands before I was eliminated, and I wasn't waiting till I had no chips.  In hindsight, I made the play I'd normally make ignoring the bounty, and should have expected the action behind me.  At the time I honestly didn't forsee a multi-way pot until immediately after I got my chips in.  However, once I was in, I was actually hoping for the BB to come along.  I knew I was a massive dog anyway (although I wouldn't have guessed my 5 was dead), so I might as well have a chance at a big pot on the off-chance that I catch magic .  Even if I was thinking about the "bounty action" behind me though, I'm not sure I can fold an Ace here (although folding is probably the correct play), since I'm all-in within 4 hands anyway.

ScottyZ wrote:

The only error the SB makes is thinking for a while. In fact, I'm only half-joking. I think that the SB is better off moving all-in like lightning to telegraph that he/she has a real hand to the BB.

Totally agree.  I think quicker action gets the BB to fold (although I think with the bounty it would still be a correct call).

Shtebs wrote:

You forgot too mention the excitement of Mike (BB) hitting his 6 on the flop to take the lead, Gow (SB) hittin his Q on the turn to take the lead and Mike rivering his set of sixes. Wheeewwww!!! what a hand.

I left out the results on purpose so the analysis/criticism would be untainted.  But since it's out there now, the flop was actually JT6 giving the BB the lead, and the Q on the turn not only put the SB in front, it gave the button (me) a chance to split with a K.  But the rivered 6 gave the BB all pots, eliminating 3 of us.

moose

Shtebs wrote:

You forgot too mention the excitement of Mike (BB) hitting his 6 on the flop to take the lead, Gow (SB) hittin his Q on the turn to take the lead and Mike rivering his set of sixes. Wheeewwww!!! what a hand. AND.... Rob (who was shortest stack heading into the hand) and I (who was 2nd largest stack) backing into the money.
That was easily the craziest hand of the many wild hands we had that night. Along with my rivering a straight on SirWatts flopped 2 pair and Gow's runner runner straight to crack Tom's pocket Aces this was much excitement and heartbreak.

Let's add in Watts b2b AA which busted out DrTyore b2b and made him the first elimination of the night.

g2

nh Watts. I agree with the play.

beanie, seeing as you were on the button, I think you can wait for a better spot than calling an all-in with A5o. Perhaps A9 was to be your next hand... we'll never know

/g2

Flint Bones

Agreed with Greg's opinion. Going all in isn't too bad but calling one isn't too hot.

I expect better from you Trevor. For shame.

beanie42

Flint Bones wrote:

I expect better from you Trevor.

So do I, but I'll take my "forum-drubbing" - I earned it

Flint Bones

Yeah, and spell "Bizarre" correctly, too.

pkrfce9

yea caol!

boxcard

I think the key for the button on this hand is the fact the blinds have large enough stacks to make the call of Easy's allin with a hand as marginal as his own. If they call, the button is very likely to be underdog, and will not live to fight another day.

I also think that if there was no bounty on Easy, that the call by the button is much more acceptable. The blinds would be less likely to mix it up unless they have a very good hand. I would have expected the SB to have called and the BB to fold in this case.

Zithal

I think you also have to credit me for my excellent play on that hand. Being UTG with Easy on my left, I folded first. Then completely (and drunkenly) goaded Mike into calling in the BB.

I think my words were, "It doesn't matter what you have right now, you so HAVE to call this bet. It's pot odds or something." This loosely translated into, "If you call there's a decent chance that we bust a couple people which would make be, undeservedly, back up into the money!!"

BrennerM

I was the BB. To be honest, my main reasons for calling were:
1) I'd still have half my stack left even if I didn't win (probably about 10,000 left)
2) With 3 people basically all-in (Gow was only 400 short so I raised him all-in), there was a ton of chips in the pot already

and the main reason (really the worst reason to make this sort of decision):
3) I knew I would have been really pissed at myself if I'd folded and then the board made mine the winning hand

Rob's goading was only a minor factor.


Ranger Mike